United Airlines Lost My Friend’s 10 Year Old Daughter And Didn’t Care

My colleague Huggy Rao and I have been reading and writing about something called "felt accountability" in our scaling book. We are arguing that a key difference between good and bad organizations is that, in the good ones, most everyone feels obligated and presses everyone else to do what is in their customer's and organization's best interests.  I feel it as a customer at my local Trader Joe's, on JetBlue and Virgin America, and In-N-Out Burger, to give a few diverse examples. 

Unfortunately, one place I have not felt it for years — and where it is has become even worse lately — is United Airlines.  I will forgo some recent incidents my family has been subjected to that reflect the depth at which indifference, powerlessness, and incompetence pervades the system. An experience that two of my friends — Annie and Perry Klebahn — had in late June and early July with their 10 year-old daughter Phoebe sums it all-up.  I will just hit on some highlights here, but for full effect, please read the entire letter  here  to the CEO of United, as it has all the details. 

Here is the headline: United was flying Phoebe as an unaccompanied minor on June 30th, from San Francisco to Chicago, with a transfer to Grand Rapids.  No one showed-up in Chicago to help her transfer, so although her plane made it, she missed the connection. Most crucially, United employees consistently refused to take action to help assist or comfort Phoebe or to help her parents locate her despite their cries for help to numerous United employees.

A few key details.

1. After Phoebe landed in Chicago and no one from (the outsourced firm) that was supposed to take her to her next flight showed up. Numerous United employees declined to help her, even though she asked them over and over.  I quote from the complaint letter:

 The attendants where busy and could not help her she told us.  She told them she had a flight to catch to camp and they told her to wait.  She asked three times to use a phone to call us and they told her to wait.  When she missed the flight she asked if someone had called camp to make sure they knew and they told her “yes—we will take care of it”.  No one did. She was sad and scared and no one helped.

2. Annie and Perry only discovered that something was wrong a few hours later when the camp called to say that Phoebe was not on the expected plane in Grand Rapids. At the point, both Annie and Perry got on the phone.  Annie got someone in India who wouldn't help beyond telling her:

'When I asked how she could have missed it given everything was 100% on time she said, “it does not matter” she is still in Chicago and “I am sure she is fine”. '

Annie was then put on hold for 40 minutes when she asked to speak to the supervisor.

3. Meanwhile, Perry was also calling. He is a "Premier" member in the United caste system so he got to speak to a person in the U.S. who worked in Chicago at the airport:

"When he asked why she could not say but put him on hold.  When she came back she told him that in fact the unaccompanied minor service in Chicago simply “forgot to show up” to transfer her to the next flight.  He was dumbfounded as neither of us had been told in writing or in person that United outsourced the unaccompanied minor services to a third party vendor."

4. Now comes the most disturbing part, the part that reveals how sick the system is.  This United employee knew how upset the parents were and how badly United had screwed-up. Perry asked if the employee could go see if Phoebe was OK:

"When she came back she said should was going off her shift and could not help.  My husband then asked her if she was a mother herself and she said “yes”—he then asked her if she was missing her child for 45 minutes what would she do?  She kindly told him she understood and would do her best to help.  15 minutes later she found Phoebe in Chicago and found someone to let us talk to her and be sure she was okay."

This is the key moment in the story, note that in her role as a United employee, this woman would not help Perry and Annie. It was only when Perry asked her if she was a mother and how she would feel that she was able to shed her deeply ingrained United indifference — the lack of felt accountability that pervades the system. Yes, there are design problems, there are operations problems, but the to me the core lesson is this is a system packed with people who don't feel responsible for doing the right thing.  We can argue over who is to blame and how much — management is at the top of the list in my book, but I won't let any of individual employees off the hook.

5. There are other bad parts to the story you can see in the letter. Of course, they lost Phoebe's luggage and in that part you can see all sorts of evidence of incompetence and misleading statements, again lack of accountability.

6. When Anne and Perry tried to file a complaint, note the system is so bad that they wouldn't let them write it themselves and the United employee refused their request to have it read back to be fact-checked, plus there are other twists worth repeating:

We asked to have them read it back to us to verify the facts, we also asked to read it ourselves and both requests were denied.  We asked for them to focus on the fact that they “forgot” a 10-year old in the airport and never called camp or us to let us know.  We also asked that they focus on the fact that we were not informed in any way that United uses a third party service for this. They said they would “do their best” to file the complaint per our situation.  We asked if we would be credited the $99 unaccompanied minor fee (given she was clearly not accompanied).  They said they weren’t sure.

We asked if the bags being lost for three days and camp having to make 5 trips to the airport vs. one was something we would be compensated for (given we pay camp $25 every time they go to the airport).  They said that we would have to follow up with that separately with United baggage as a separate complaint. They also said that process was the same—United files what they hear from you but you do not get to file the complaint yourselves.

7.  The story isn't over and the way it is currently unfolding makes United looks worse still in my eyes.  United had continued to be completely unresponsive, so Annie and Perry got their story to a local NBC TV reporter, a smart one who does investigations named Diane Dwyer.  Diane started making calls to United as she may do a story.  Well, United doesn't care about Phoebe, they don't care about Annie and Perry, but they do care about getting an ugly story on TV.  So some United executive called Annie and Perry at home yesterday to try to cool them out. 

That story was what finally drove me to write this because, well, if bad PR is what it takes to get them to pretend to care, then it is a further reflection of how horrible they have become. I figured that regardless of whether Diane does the story or not, I wanted to make sure they got at least a little bad PR.

I know the airline industry is tough, I know there are employees at United who work their hearts out every day despite the horrible system they are in, and I also know how tough cultural change is when something is this broken. But perhaps United senior executives ought to at least take a look at what happens at JetBlue, Virgin America, and Southwest.  They make mistakes too, it happens, but when they do, I nearly always feel empathy for my situation and that the people are trying to make the situation right.

Comments

760 responses to “United Airlines Lost My Friend’s 10 Year Old Daughter And Didn’t Care”

  1. jik Avatar

    United nowadays is, of course, the merger of the old United and Continental. I’m said to see they’re up to their old tricks. They lost my daughter in 2009 ( http://blog.kamens.us/tag/cleveland-or-newark/?order=asc ).
    Aside from the exact details of how they lost her, everything else was exactly the same as what happened to your friends… the indifference, the incompetence, and a total lack of caring about what happened until it made the media (because I contacted the media and made a fuss about it, hoping thereby to force Continental to change for the better).
    They lost another unaccompanied minor the same weekend they lost my daughter. And they’ve clearly lost children before and since.
    It really is astounding, isn’t it?

  2. jik Avatar

    United nowadays is, of course, the merger of the old United and Continental. I’m said to see they’re up to their old tricks. They lost my daughter in 2009 ( http://blog.kamens.us/tag/cleveland-or-newark/?order=asc ).
    Aside from the exact details of how they lost her, everything else was exactly the same as what happened to your friends… the indifference, the incompetence, and a total lack of caring about what happened until it made the media (because I contacted the media and made a fuss about it, hoping thereby to force Continental to change for the better).
    They lost another unaccompanied minor the same weekend they lost my daughter. And they’ve clearly lost children before and since.
    It really is astounding, isn’t it?

  3. jik Avatar

    United nowadays is, of course, the merger of the old United and Continental. I’m said to see they’re up to their old tricks. They lost my daughter in 2009 ( http://blog.kamens.us/tag/cleveland-or-newark/?order=asc ).
    Aside from the exact details of how they lost her, everything else was exactly the same as what happened to your friends… the indifference, the incompetence, and a total lack of caring about what happened until it made the media (because I contacted the media and made a fuss about it, hoping thereby to force Continental to change for the better).
    They lost another unaccompanied minor the same weekend they lost my daughter. And they’ve clearly lost children before and since.
    It really is astounding, isn’t it?

  4. jik Avatar

    United nowadays is, of course, the merger of the old United and Continental. I’m said to see they’re up to their old tricks. They lost my daughter in 2009 ( http://blog.kamens.us/tag/cleveland-or-newark/?order=asc ).
    Aside from the exact details of how they lost her, everything else was exactly the same as what happened to your friends… the indifference, the incompetence, and a total lack of caring about what happened until it made the media (because I contacted the media and made a fuss about it, hoping thereby to force Continental to change for the better).
    They lost another unaccompanied minor the same weekend they lost my daughter. And they’ve clearly lost children before and since.
    It really is astounding, isn’t it?

  5. jik Avatar

    United nowadays is, of course, the merger of the old United and Continental. I’m said to see they’re up to their old tricks. They lost my daughter in 2009 ( http://blog.kamens.us/tag/cleveland-or-newark/?order=asc ).
    Aside from the exact details of how they lost her, everything else was exactly the same as what happened to your friends… the indifference, the incompetence, and a total lack of caring about what happened until it made the media (because I contacted the media and made a fuss about it, hoping thereby to force Continental to change for the better).
    They lost another unaccompanied minor the same weekend they lost my daughter. And they’ve clearly lost children before and since.
    It really is astounding, isn’t it?

  6. jik Avatar

    United nowadays is, of course, the merger of the old United and Continental. I’m said to see they’re up to their old tricks. They lost my daughter in 2009 ( http://blog.kamens.us/tag/cleveland-or-newark/?order=asc ).
    Aside from the exact details of how they lost her, everything else was exactly the same as what happened to your friends… the indifference, the incompetence, and a total lack of caring about what happened until it made the media (because I contacted the media and made a fuss about it, hoping thereby to force Continental to change for the better).
    They lost another unaccompanied minor the same weekend they lost my daughter. And they’ve clearly lost children before and since.
    It really is astounding, isn’t it?

  7. jik Avatar

    United nowadays is, of course, the merger of the old United and Continental. I’m said to see they’re up to their old tricks. They lost my daughter in 2009 ( http://blog.kamens.us/tag/cleveland-or-newark/?order=asc ).
    Aside from the exact details of how they lost her, everything else was exactly the same as what happened to your friends… the indifference, the incompetence, and a total lack of caring about what happened until it made the media (because I contacted the media and made a fuss about it, hoping thereby to force Continental to change for the better).
    They lost another unaccompanied minor the same weekend they lost my daughter. And they’ve clearly lost children before and since.
    It really is astounding, isn’t it?

  8. jik Avatar

    United nowadays is, of course, the merger of the old United and Continental. I’m said to see they’re up to their old tricks. They lost my daughter in 2009 ( http://blog.kamens.us/tag/cleveland-or-newark/?order=asc ).
    Aside from the exact details of how they lost her, everything else was exactly the same as what happened to your friends… the indifference, the incompetence, and a total lack of caring about what happened until it made the media (because I contacted the media and made a fuss about it, hoping thereby to force Continental to change for the better).
    They lost another unaccompanied minor the same weekend they lost my daughter. And they’ve clearly lost children before and since.
    It really is astounding, isn’t it?

  9. Maloymarc Avatar

    Wow, I would love to hear(or see) United’s response to their letter.

  10. Maloymarc Avatar

    Wow, I would love to hear(or see) United’s response to their letter.

  11. Maloymarc Avatar

    Wow, I would love to hear(or see) United’s response to their letter.

  12. Maloymarc Avatar

    Wow, I would love to hear(or see) United’s response to their letter.

  13. Maloymarc Avatar

    Wow, I would love to hear(or see) United’s response to their letter.

  14. Maloymarc Avatar

    Wow, I would love to hear(or see) United’s response to their letter.

  15. Maloymarc Avatar

    Wow, I would love to hear(or see) United’s response to their letter.

  16. Maloymarc Avatar

    Wow, I would love to hear(or see) United’s response to their letter.

  17. Daveowens Avatar

    Looks like United has not learned a thing since their public relations fiasco a couple of years ago. There’s a Wikipedia entry on the episode: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Breaks_Guitars
    Talk about bad press – over 10 Million hits of the music video “United Breaks Guitars.” For a while it came up as the first hit when you typed “United Airlines” into Google.
    Of course breaking a guitar is not nearly as horrible as losing a young child, but it does suggest an organization that is either too big or too obstinate to learn. That, or maybe they are counting on the possibility that customers are too quick to forgive and forget.

  18. Daveowens Avatar

    Looks like United has not learned a thing since their public relations fiasco a couple of years ago. There’s a Wikipedia entry on the episode: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Breaks_Guitars
    Talk about bad press – over 10 Million hits of the music video “United Breaks Guitars.” For a while it came up as the first hit when you typed “United Airlines” into Google.
    Of course breaking a guitar is not nearly as horrible as losing a young child, but it does suggest an organization that is either too big or too obstinate to learn. That, or maybe they are counting on the possibility that customers are too quick to forgive and forget.

  19. Daveowens Avatar

    Looks like United has not learned a thing since their public relations fiasco a couple of years ago. There’s a Wikipedia entry on the episode: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Breaks_Guitars
    Talk about bad press – over 10 Million hits of the music video “United Breaks Guitars.” For a while it came up as the first hit when you typed “United Airlines” into Google.
    Of course breaking a guitar is not nearly as horrible as losing a young child, but it does suggest an organization that is either too big or too obstinate to learn. That, or maybe they are counting on the possibility that customers are too quick to forgive and forget.

  20. Daveowens Avatar

    Looks like United has not learned a thing since their public relations fiasco a couple of years ago. There’s a Wikipedia entry on the episode: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Breaks_Guitars
    Talk about bad press – over 10 Million hits of the music video “United Breaks Guitars.” For a while it came up as the first hit when you typed “United Airlines” into Google.
    Of course breaking a guitar is not nearly as horrible as losing a young child, but it does suggest an organization that is either too big or too obstinate to learn. That, or maybe they are counting on the possibility that customers are too quick to forgive and forget.

  21. Daveowens Avatar

    Looks like United has not learned a thing since their public relations fiasco a couple of years ago. There’s a Wikipedia entry on the episode: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Breaks_Guitars
    Talk about bad press – over 10 Million hits of the music video “United Breaks Guitars.” For a while it came up as the first hit when you typed “United Airlines” into Google.
    Of course breaking a guitar is not nearly as horrible as losing a young child, but it does suggest an organization that is either too big or too obstinate to learn. That, or maybe they are counting on the possibility that customers are too quick to forgive and forget.

  22. Daveowens Avatar

    Looks like United has not learned a thing since their public relations fiasco a couple of years ago. There’s a Wikipedia entry on the episode: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Breaks_Guitars
    Talk about bad press – over 10 Million hits of the music video “United Breaks Guitars.” For a while it came up as the first hit when you typed “United Airlines” into Google.
    Of course breaking a guitar is not nearly as horrible as losing a young child, but it does suggest an organization that is either too big or too obstinate to learn. That, or maybe they are counting on the possibility that customers are too quick to forgive and forget.

  23. Daveowens Avatar

    Looks like United has not learned a thing since their public relations fiasco a couple of years ago. There’s a Wikipedia entry on the episode: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Breaks_Guitars
    Talk about bad press – over 10 Million hits of the music video “United Breaks Guitars.” For a while it came up as the first hit when you typed “United Airlines” into Google.
    Of course breaking a guitar is not nearly as horrible as losing a young child, but it does suggest an organization that is either too big or too obstinate to learn. That, or maybe they are counting on the possibility that customers are too quick to forgive and forget.

  24. Daveowens Avatar

    Looks like United has not learned a thing since their public relations fiasco a couple of years ago. There’s a Wikipedia entry on the episode: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Breaks_Guitars
    Talk about bad press – over 10 Million hits of the music video “United Breaks Guitars.” For a while it came up as the first hit when you typed “United Airlines” into Google.
    Of course breaking a guitar is not nearly as horrible as losing a young child, but it does suggest an organization that is either too big or too obstinate to learn. That, or maybe they are counting on the possibility that customers are too quick to forgive and forget.

  25. Joe Marchese Avatar

    The late Ron Zemke had a 5-step recovery process for service lapses.
    1- An apology
    2- Immediate reinstatement (make the service right, right now)
    3- Symbolic atonement (bump the kid to 1st, give the family a free trip,waive a fee, … something)
    4- Empathy (acknowledge that slip-ups have real impact)
    5- Follow up (do what you said you were going to do)
    Simple to remember. Only thing missing is courage to empower the front line to invoke it.

  26. Joe Marchese Avatar

    The late Ron Zemke had a 5-step recovery process for service lapses.
    1- An apology
    2- Immediate reinstatement (make the service right, right now)
    3- Symbolic atonement (bump the kid to 1st, give the family a free trip,waive a fee, … something)
    4- Empathy (acknowledge that slip-ups have real impact)
    5- Follow up (do what you said you were going to do)
    Simple to remember. Only thing missing is courage to empower the front line to invoke it.

  27. Joe Marchese Avatar

    The late Ron Zemke had a 5-step recovery process for service lapses.
    1- An apology
    2- Immediate reinstatement (make the service right, right now)
    3- Symbolic atonement (bump the kid to 1st, give the family a free trip,waive a fee, … something)
    4- Empathy (acknowledge that slip-ups have real impact)
    5- Follow up (do what you said you were going to do)
    Simple to remember. Only thing missing is courage to empower the front line to invoke it.

  28. Joe Marchese Avatar

    The late Ron Zemke had a 5-step recovery process for service lapses.
    1- An apology
    2- Immediate reinstatement (make the service right, right now)
    3- Symbolic atonement (bump the kid to 1st, give the family a free trip,waive a fee, … something)
    4- Empathy (acknowledge that slip-ups have real impact)
    5- Follow up (do what you said you were going to do)
    Simple to remember. Only thing missing is courage to empower the front line to invoke it.

  29. Joe Marchese Avatar

    The late Ron Zemke had a 5-step recovery process for service lapses.
    1- An apology
    2- Immediate reinstatement (make the service right, right now)
    3- Symbolic atonement (bump the kid to 1st, give the family a free trip,waive a fee, … something)
    4- Empathy (acknowledge that slip-ups have real impact)
    5- Follow up (do what you said you were going to do)
    Simple to remember. Only thing missing is courage to empower the front line to invoke it.

  30. Joe Marchese Avatar

    The late Ron Zemke had a 5-step recovery process for service lapses.
    1- An apology
    2- Immediate reinstatement (make the service right, right now)
    3- Symbolic atonement (bump the kid to 1st, give the family a free trip,waive a fee, … something)
    4- Empathy (acknowledge that slip-ups have real impact)
    5- Follow up (do what you said you were going to do)
    Simple to remember. Only thing missing is courage to empower the front line to invoke it.

  31. Joe Marchese Avatar

    The late Ron Zemke had a 5-step recovery process for service lapses.
    1- An apology
    2- Immediate reinstatement (make the service right, right now)
    3- Symbolic atonement (bump the kid to 1st, give the family a free trip,waive a fee, … something)
    4- Empathy (acknowledge that slip-ups have real impact)
    5- Follow up (do what you said you were going to do)
    Simple to remember. Only thing missing is courage to empower the front line to invoke it.

  32. Joe Marchese Avatar

    The late Ron Zemke had a 5-step recovery process for service lapses.
    1- An apology
    2- Immediate reinstatement (make the service right, right now)
    3- Symbolic atonement (bump the kid to 1st, give the family a free trip,waive a fee, … something)
    4- Empathy (acknowledge that slip-ups have real impact)
    5- Follow up (do what you said you were going to do)
    Simple to remember. Only thing missing is courage to empower the front line to invoke it.

  33. Tmartini Avatar

    Unbelievable and United is totally in the wrong, but this also points out the fact that if you send your child alone on a flight they should have a cel phone. We never send our kids on a flight without one.

  34. Tmartini Avatar

    Unbelievable and United is totally in the wrong, but this also points out the fact that if you send your child alone on a flight they should have a cel phone. We never send our kids on a flight without one.

  35. Tmartini Avatar

    Unbelievable and United is totally in the wrong, but this also points out the fact that if you send your child alone on a flight they should have a cel phone. We never send our kids on a flight without one.

  36. Tmartini Avatar

    Unbelievable and United is totally in the wrong, but this also points out the fact that if you send your child alone on a flight they should have a cel phone. We never send our kids on a flight without one.

  37. Tmartini Avatar

    Unbelievable and United is totally in the wrong, but this also points out the fact that if you send your child alone on a flight they should have a cel phone. We never send our kids on a flight without one.

  38. Tmartini Avatar

    Unbelievable and United is totally in the wrong, but this also points out the fact that if you send your child alone on a flight they should have a cel phone. We never send our kids on a flight without one.

  39. Tmartini Avatar

    Unbelievable and United is totally in the wrong, but this also points out the fact that if you send your child alone on a flight they should have a cel phone. We never send our kids on a flight without one.

  40. Tmartini Avatar

    Unbelievable and United is totally in the wrong, but this also points out the fact that if you send your child alone on a flight they should have a cel phone. We never send our kids on a flight without one.

  41. TLBurriss Avatar

    I agree, I see lots of failure in this story. United failed to provide the best possible service and to care enough for their customers to do the right thing.
    From what I read, I also see failure on the parents behalf. They should have given the daughter a cell phone and coached her better on travel by herself.
    Despite all the systems that United should have had in place, the parents should have been in direct communications with a 10 year old flying by herself.

  42. TLBurriss Avatar

    I agree, I see lots of failure in this story. United failed to provide the best possible service and to care enough for their customers to do the right thing.
    From what I read, I also see failure on the parents behalf. They should have given the daughter a cell phone and coached her better on travel by herself.
    Despite all the systems that United should have had in place, the parents should have been in direct communications with a 10 year old flying by herself.

  43. TLBurriss Avatar

    I agree, I see lots of failure in this story. United failed to provide the best possible service and to care enough for their customers to do the right thing.
    From what I read, I also see failure on the parents behalf. They should have given the daughter a cell phone and coached her better on travel by herself.
    Despite all the systems that United should have had in place, the parents should have been in direct communications with a 10 year old flying by herself.

  44. TLBurriss Avatar

    I agree, I see lots of failure in this story. United failed to provide the best possible service and to care enough for their customers to do the right thing.
    From what I read, I also see failure on the parents behalf. They should have given the daughter a cell phone and coached her better on travel by herself.
    Despite all the systems that United should have had in place, the parents should have been in direct communications with a 10 year old flying by herself.

  45. TLBurriss Avatar

    I agree, I see lots of failure in this story. United failed to provide the best possible service and to care enough for their customers to do the right thing.
    From what I read, I also see failure on the parents behalf. They should have given the daughter a cell phone and coached her better on travel by herself.
    Despite all the systems that United should have had in place, the parents should have been in direct communications with a 10 year old flying by herself.

  46. TLBurriss Avatar

    I agree, I see lots of failure in this story. United failed to provide the best possible service and to care enough for their customers to do the right thing.
    From what I read, I also see failure on the parents behalf. They should have given the daughter a cell phone and coached her better on travel by herself.
    Despite all the systems that United should have had in place, the parents should have been in direct communications with a 10 year old flying by herself.

  47. TLBurriss Avatar

    I agree, I see lots of failure in this story. United failed to provide the best possible service and to care enough for their customers to do the right thing.
    From what I read, I also see failure on the parents behalf. They should have given the daughter a cell phone and coached her better on travel by herself.
    Despite all the systems that United should have had in place, the parents should have been in direct communications with a 10 year old flying by herself.

  48. TLBurriss Avatar

    I agree, I see lots of failure in this story. United failed to provide the best possible service and to care enough for their customers to do the right thing.
    From what I read, I also see failure on the parents behalf. They should have given the daughter a cell phone and coached her better on travel by herself.
    Despite all the systems that United should have had in place, the parents should have been in direct communications with a 10 year old flying by herself.

  49. jik Avatar

    @Joe,
    Sounds a lot like what Jeffrey Gitomer says in “Customer Satisfaction is Worthless, Customer Loyalty is Priceless”.

  50. jik Avatar

    @Joe,
    Sounds a lot like what Jeffrey Gitomer says in “Customer Satisfaction is Worthless, Customer Loyalty is Priceless”.

  51. jik Avatar

    @Joe,
    Sounds a lot like what Jeffrey Gitomer says in “Customer Satisfaction is Worthless, Customer Loyalty is Priceless”.

  52. jik Avatar

    @Joe,
    Sounds a lot like what Jeffrey Gitomer says in “Customer Satisfaction is Worthless, Customer Loyalty is Priceless”.

  53. jik Avatar

    @Joe,
    Sounds a lot like what Jeffrey Gitomer says in “Customer Satisfaction is Worthless, Customer Loyalty is Priceless”.

  54. jik Avatar

    @Joe,
    Sounds a lot like what Jeffrey Gitomer says in “Customer Satisfaction is Worthless, Customer Loyalty is Priceless”.

  55. jik Avatar

    @Joe,
    Sounds a lot like what Jeffrey Gitomer says in “Customer Satisfaction is Worthless, Customer Loyalty is Priceless”.

  56. jik Avatar

    @Joe,
    Sounds a lot like what Jeffrey Gitomer says in “Customer Satisfaction is Worthless, Customer Loyalty is Priceless”.

  57. Chuegen Avatar

    I have found that writing to United’s customer service department does not help (as they’re just as outsourced), but writing an e-mail to the CEO’s e-mail box will get you a call from executive relations very quickly.

  58. Chuegen Avatar

    I have found that writing to United’s customer service department does not help (as they’re just as outsourced), but writing an e-mail to the CEO’s e-mail box will get you a call from executive relations very quickly.

  59. Chuegen Avatar

    I have found that writing to United’s customer service department does not help (as they’re just as outsourced), but writing an e-mail to the CEO’s e-mail box will get you a call from executive relations very quickly.

  60. Chuegen Avatar

    I have found that writing to United’s customer service department does not help (as they’re just as outsourced), but writing an e-mail to the CEO’s e-mail box will get you a call from executive relations very quickly.

  61. Chuegen Avatar

    I have found that writing to United’s customer service department does not help (as they’re just as outsourced), but writing an e-mail to the CEO’s e-mail box will get you a call from executive relations very quickly.

  62. Chuegen Avatar

    I have found that writing to United’s customer service department does not help (as they’re just as outsourced), but writing an e-mail to the CEO’s e-mail box will get you a call from executive relations very quickly.

  63. Chuegen Avatar

    I have found that writing to United’s customer service department does not help (as they’re just as outsourced), but writing an e-mail to the CEO’s e-mail box will get you a call from executive relations very quickly.

  64. Chuegen Avatar

    I have found that writing to United’s customer service department does not help (as they’re just as outsourced), but writing an e-mail to the CEO’s e-mail box will get you a call from executive relations very quickly.

  65. Sarah Avatar

    Horrible. But come on people – everybody complains about United but everybody still keeps flying them. I know you all want your frequent-flyer rewards, but nothing will get United’s attention faster than a mass exodus to a more accountable and responsible airline. I escaped years ago and have never looked backed.

  66. Sarah Avatar

    Horrible. But come on people – everybody complains about United but everybody still keeps flying them. I know you all want your frequent-flyer rewards, but nothing will get United’s attention faster than a mass exodus to a more accountable and responsible airline. I escaped years ago and have never looked backed.

  67. Sarah Avatar

    Horrible. But come on people – everybody complains about United but everybody still keeps flying them. I know you all want your frequent-flyer rewards, but nothing will get United’s attention faster than a mass exodus to a more accountable and responsible airline. I escaped years ago and have never looked backed.

  68. Sarah Avatar

    Horrible. But come on people – everybody complains about United but everybody still keeps flying them. I know you all want your frequent-flyer rewards, but nothing will get United’s attention faster than a mass exodus to a more accountable and responsible airline. I escaped years ago and have never looked backed.

  69. Sarah Avatar

    Horrible. But come on people – everybody complains about United but everybody still keeps flying them. I know you all want your frequent-flyer rewards, but nothing will get United’s attention faster than a mass exodus to a more accountable and responsible airline. I escaped years ago and have never looked backed.

  70. Sarah Avatar

    Horrible. But come on people – everybody complains about United but everybody still keeps flying them. I know you all want your frequent-flyer rewards, but nothing will get United’s attention faster than a mass exodus to a more accountable and responsible airline. I escaped years ago and have never looked backed.

  71. Sarah Avatar

    Horrible. But come on people – everybody complains about United but everybody still keeps flying them. I know you all want your frequent-flyer rewards, but nothing will get United’s attention faster than a mass exodus to a more accountable and responsible airline. I escaped years ago and have never looked backed.

  72. Sarah Avatar

    Horrible. But come on people – everybody complains about United but everybody still keeps flying them. I know you all want your frequent-flyer rewards, but nothing will get United’s attention faster than a mass exodus to a more accountable and responsible airline. I escaped years ago and have never looked backed.

  73. Jason Telerski Avatar

    What a horrible story. I can’t imagine how scared that poor child must have been. 35 years ago, when air travel was entirely different, I flew across the country several times on United as an unaccompanied minor and always had a connection in Chicago. I got pilots wings, playing cards, the flight attendants knew my name, and I wasn’t let off the plane until someone showed up to get me to my next flight. I remember there was a special waiting room in SFO for kids. United certainly has fallen a long way if their employees are so beaten down that they can’t act like human beings when they see someone in distress.
    Contrast this to my last flight on Jet Blue. Before boarding started I was called up to the counter by the gate agent who told me that the tv at my seat wasn’t working and they would change my seat for me if I liked. I was planning on reading a book so it wasn’t an issue for me, but I really appreciated their thoughtfulness in letting me know in advance of a potential service disruption.
    I hope Phoebe ultimately had a good time at camp and then flew a different airline home.

  74. Jason Telerski Avatar

    What a horrible story. I can’t imagine how scared that poor child must have been. 35 years ago, when air travel was entirely different, I flew across the country several times on United as an unaccompanied minor and always had a connection in Chicago. I got pilots wings, playing cards, the flight attendants knew my name, and I wasn’t let off the plane until someone showed up to get me to my next flight. I remember there was a special waiting room in SFO for kids. United certainly has fallen a long way if their employees are so beaten down that they can’t act like human beings when they see someone in distress.
    Contrast this to my last flight on Jet Blue. Before boarding started I was called up to the counter by the gate agent who told me that the tv at my seat wasn’t working and they would change my seat for me if I liked. I was planning on reading a book so it wasn’t an issue for me, but I really appreciated their thoughtfulness in letting me know in advance of a potential service disruption.
    I hope Phoebe ultimately had a good time at camp and then flew a different airline home.

  75. Jason Telerski Avatar

    What a horrible story. I can’t imagine how scared that poor child must have been. 35 years ago, when air travel was entirely different, I flew across the country several times on United as an unaccompanied minor and always had a connection in Chicago. I got pilots wings, playing cards, the flight attendants knew my name, and I wasn’t let off the plane until someone showed up to get me to my next flight. I remember there was a special waiting room in SFO for kids. United certainly has fallen a long way if their employees are so beaten down that they can’t act like human beings when they see someone in distress.
    Contrast this to my last flight on Jet Blue. Before boarding started I was called up to the counter by the gate agent who told me that the tv at my seat wasn’t working and they would change my seat for me if I liked. I was planning on reading a book so it wasn’t an issue for me, but I really appreciated their thoughtfulness in letting me know in advance of a potential service disruption.
    I hope Phoebe ultimately had a good time at camp and then flew a different airline home.

  76. Jason Telerski Avatar

    What a horrible story. I can’t imagine how scared that poor child must have been. 35 years ago, when air travel was entirely different, I flew across the country several times on United as an unaccompanied minor and always had a connection in Chicago. I got pilots wings, playing cards, the flight attendants knew my name, and I wasn’t let off the plane until someone showed up to get me to my next flight. I remember there was a special waiting room in SFO for kids. United certainly has fallen a long way if their employees are so beaten down that they can’t act like human beings when they see someone in distress.
    Contrast this to my last flight on Jet Blue. Before boarding started I was called up to the counter by the gate agent who told me that the tv at my seat wasn’t working and they would change my seat for me if I liked. I was planning on reading a book so it wasn’t an issue for me, but I really appreciated their thoughtfulness in letting me know in advance of a potential service disruption.
    I hope Phoebe ultimately had a good time at camp and then flew a different airline home.

  77. Jason Telerski Avatar

    What a horrible story. I can’t imagine how scared that poor child must have been. 35 years ago, when air travel was entirely different, I flew across the country several times on United as an unaccompanied minor and always had a connection in Chicago. I got pilots wings, playing cards, the flight attendants knew my name, and I wasn’t let off the plane until someone showed up to get me to my next flight. I remember there was a special waiting room in SFO for kids. United certainly has fallen a long way if their employees are so beaten down that they can’t act like human beings when they see someone in distress.
    Contrast this to my last flight on Jet Blue. Before boarding started I was called up to the counter by the gate agent who told me that the tv at my seat wasn’t working and they would change my seat for me if I liked. I was planning on reading a book so it wasn’t an issue for me, but I really appreciated their thoughtfulness in letting me know in advance of a potential service disruption.
    I hope Phoebe ultimately had a good time at camp and then flew a different airline home.

  78. Jason Telerski Avatar

    What a horrible story. I can’t imagine how scared that poor child must have been. 35 years ago, when air travel was entirely different, I flew across the country several times on United as an unaccompanied minor and always had a connection in Chicago. I got pilots wings, playing cards, the flight attendants knew my name, and I wasn’t let off the plane until someone showed up to get me to my next flight. I remember there was a special waiting room in SFO for kids. United certainly has fallen a long way if their employees are so beaten down that they can’t act like human beings when they see someone in distress.
    Contrast this to my last flight on Jet Blue. Before boarding started I was called up to the counter by the gate agent who told me that the tv at my seat wasn’t working and they would change my seat for me if I liked. I was planning on reading a book so it wasn’t an issue for me, but I really appreciated their thoughtfulness in letting me know in advance of a potential service disruption.
    I hope Phoebe ultimately had a good time at camp and then flew a different airline home.

  79. Jason Telerski Avatar

    What a horrible story. I can’t imagine how scared that poor child must have been. 35 years ago, when air travel was entirely different, I flew across the country several times on United as an unaccompanied minor and always had a connection in Chicago. I got pilots wings, playing cards, the flight attendants knew my name, and I wasn’t let off the plane until someone showed up to get me to my next flight. I remember there was a special waiting room in SFO for kids. United certainly has fallen a long way if their employees are so beaten down that they can’t act like human beings when they see someone in distress.
    Contrast this to my last flight on Jet Blue. Before boarding started I was called up to the counter by the gate agent who told me that the tv at my seat wasn’t working and they would change my seat for me if I liked. I was planning on reading a book so it wasn’t an issue for me, but I really appreciated their thoughtfulness in letting me know in advance of a potential service disruption.
    I hope Phoebe ultimately had a good time at camp and then flew a different airline home.

  80. Jason Telerski Avatar

    What a horrible story. I can’t imagine how scared that poor child must have been. 35 years ago, when air travel was entirely different, I flew across the country several times on United as an unaccompanied minor and always had a connection in Chicago. I got pilots wings, playing cards, the flight attendants knew my name, and I wasn’t let off the plane until someone showed up to get me to my next flight. I remember there was a special waiting room in SFO for kids. United certainly has fallen a long way if their employees are so beaten down that they can’t act like human beings when they see someone in distress.
    Contrast this to my last flight on Jet Blue. Before boarding started I was called up to the counter by the gate agent who told me that the tv at my seat wasn’t working and they would change my seat for me if I liked. I was planning on reading a book so it wasn’t an issue for me, but I really appreciated their thoughtfulness in letting me know in advance of a potential service disruption.
    I hope Phoebe ultimately had a good time at camp and then flew a different airline home.

  81. Aldentanaka Avatar

    Diane Dwyer responded to a tweet I sent today: “I’m on it – we will air it next week likely.”

  82. Aldentanaka Avatar

    Diane Dwyer responded to a tweet I sent today: “I’m on it – we will air it next week likely.”

  83. Aldentanaka Avatar

    Diane Dwyer responded to a tweet I sent today: “I’m on it – we will air it next week likely.”

  84. Aldentanaka Avatar

    Diane Dwyer responded to a tweet I sent today: “I’m on it – we will air it next week likely.”

  85. Aldentanaka Avatar

    Diane Dwyer responded to a tweet I sent today: “I’m on it – we will air it next week likely.”

  86. Aldentanaka Avatar

    Diane Dwyer responded to a tweet I sent today: “I’m on it – we will air it next week likely.”

  87. Aldentanaka Avatar

    Diane Dwyer responded to a tweet I sent today: “I’m on it – we will air it next week likely.”

  88. Aldentanaka Avatar

    Diane Dwyer responded to a tweet I sent today: “I’m on it – we will air it next week likely.”

  89. Tanvi_gautam Avatar

    This is a case study in employee disengagement and a horrible nightmare for a parent and child. I am so sorry you had to go through this.
    I shudder to imagine if it was a younger child or one with any disabilities to compound the situation.
    Now if United does not respond, we can have another case study in how big companies have no clue on managing social media or customer voices.

  90. Tanvi_gautam Avatar

    This is a case study in employee disengagement and a horrible nightmare for a parent and child. I am so sorry you had to go through this.
    I shudder to imagine if it was a younger child or one with any disabilities to compound the situation.
    Now if United does not respond, we can have another case study in how big companies have no clue on managing social media or customer voices.

  91. Tanvi_gautam Avatar

    This is a case study in employee disengagement and a horrible nightmare for a parent and child. I am so sorry you had to go through this.
    I shudder to imagine if it was a younger child or one with any disabilities to compound the situation.
    Now if United does not respond, we can have another case study in how big companies have no clue on managing social media or customer voices.

  92. Tanvi_gautam Avatar

    This is a case study in employee disengagement and a horrible nightmare for a parent and child. I am so sorry you had to go through this.
    I shudder to imagine if it was a younger child or one with any disabilities to compound the situation.
    Now if United does not respond, we can have another case study in how big companies have no clue on managing social media or customer voices.

  93. Tanvi_gautam Avatar

    This is a case study in employee disengagement and a horrible nightmare for a parent and child. I am so sorry you had to go through this.
    I shudder to imagine if it was a younger child or one with any disabilities to compound the situation.
    Now if United does not respond, we can have another case study in how big companies have no clue on managing social media or customer voices.

  94. Tanvi_gautam Avatar

    This is a case study in employee disengagement and a horrible nightmare for a parent and child. I am so sorry you had to go through this.
    I shudder to imagine if it was a younger child or one with any disabilities to compound the situation.
    Now if United does not respond, we can have another case study in how big companies have no clue on managing social media or customer voices.

  95. Tanvi_gautam Avatar

    This is a case study in employee disengagement and a horrible nightmare for a parent and child. I am so sorry you had to go through this.
    I shudder to imagine if it was a younger child or one with any disabilities to compound the situation.
    Now if United does not respond, we can have another case study in how big companies have no clue on managing social media or customer voices.

  96. Tanvi_gautam Avatar

    This is a case study in employee disengagement and a horrible nightmare for a parent and child. I am so sorry you had to go through this.
    I shudder to imagine if it was a younger child or one with any disabilities to compound the situation.
    Now if United does not respond, we can have another case study in how big companies have no clue on managing social media or customer voices.

  97. Jyarmis Avatar

    I have a United (then Continental) story of a complete system breakdown. Fortunately all ended well but…
    So, why do they have the whole unaccompanied minor system? To help the child make sure they get to the right place and END UP WITH THE RIGHT PERSON. Well, my daughter was flying from Mexico through Houston to New York. She checked in at the small Mexican airport where apparently they didn’t know how to handle this situation. So she boarded the plane. When checking in at Houston after clearing customs, someone noticed that she hadn’t been checked in as unaccompanied and asked her if she wanted to check in now. She had met a friend and the friend’s mother, so she said “no, that’s not necessary” and the airline allowed her to travel on her own based on that representation. Now one of the requirements of the system is that the ONLY person the child can be turned over to is the person who is noted in the record as the official designee. The child can’t change that. They certainly can’t change it on the representation of someone else who’s unrelated to the child. But based on my daughter’s representation, they turned her over to a complete stranger. Now as I said, this person was in fact known to my daughter and things were totally safe. But what if…? The rules are designed precisely to AVOID that kind of situation and United/Continental disregarded their own procedures not once but twice!
    Then they tried to assuage me by returning the fee. I said “of course you’re going to return the fee. You didn’t deliver the service. I want the airfare back too.” I’m still waiting on that one. But that’s OK. As someone noted, really the only recourse you have is to not fly them. And so, I have taken my 1.4 million miles on United and am generally a happy customer of other airlines. Bad service I’m used to (from all of them). Putting my child in jeopardy is inexcusable. They handed her over to someone unknown to them and against every procedure. And then had the gall to tell me “but your daughter said it was OK.” It still gets my blood boiling.

  98. Jyarmis Avatar

    I have a United (then Continental) story of a complete system breakdown. Fortunately all ended well but…
    So, why do they have the whole unaccompanied minor system? To help the child make sure they get to the right place and END UP WITH THE RIGHT PERSON. Well, my daughter was flying from Mexico through Houston to New York. She checked in at the small Mexican airport where apparently they didn’t know how to handle this situation. So she boarded the plane. When checking in at Houston after clearing customs, someone noticed that she hadn’t been checked in as unaccompanied and asked her if she wanted to check in now. She had met a friend and the friend’s mother, so she said “no, that’s not necessary” and the airline allowed her to travel on her own based on that representation. Now one of the requirements of the system is that the ONLY person the child can be turned over to is the person who is noted in the record as the official designee. The child can’t change that. They certainly can’t change it on the representation of someone else who’s unrelated to the child. But based on my daughter’s representation, they turned her over to a complete stranger. Now as I said, this person was in fact known to my daughter and things were totally safe. But what if…? The rules are designed precisely to AVOID that kind of situation and United/Continental disregarded their own procedures not once but twice!
    Then they tried to assuage me by returning the fee. I said “of course you’re going to return the fee. You didn’t deliver the service. I want the airfare back too.” I’m still waiting on that one. But that’s OK. As someone noted, really the only recourse you have is to not fly them. And so, I have taken my 1.4 million miles on United and am generally a happy customer of other airlines. Bad service I’m used to (from all of them). Putting my child in jeopardy is inexcusable. They handed her over to someone unknown to them and against every procedure. And then had the gall to tell me “but your daughter said it was OK.” It still gets my blood boiling.

  99. Jyarmis Avatar

    I have a United (then Continental) story of a complete system breakdown. Fortunately all ended well but…
    So, why do they have the whole unaccompanied minor system? To help the child make sure they get to the right place and END UP WITH THE RIGHT PERSON. Well, my daughter was flying from Mexico through Houston to New York. She checked in at the small Mexican airport where apparently they didn’t know how to handle this situation. So she boarded the plane. When checking in at Houston after clearing customs, someone noticed that she hadn’t been checked in as unaccompanied and asked her if she wanted to check in now. She had met a friend and the friend’s mother, so she said “no, that’s not necessary” and the airline allowed her to travel on her own based on that representation. Now one of the requirements of the system is that the ONLY person the child can be turned over to is the person who is noted in the record as the official designee. The child can’t change that. They certainly can’t change it on the representation of someone else who’s unrelated to the child. But based on my daughter’s representation, they turned her over to a complete stranger. Now as I said, this person was in fact known to my daughter and things were totally safe. But what if…? The rules are designed precisely to AVOID that kind of situation and United/Continental disregarded their own procedures not once but twice!
    Then they tried to assuage me by returning the fee. I said “of course you’re going to return the fee. You didn’t deliver the service. I want the airfare back too.” I’m still waiting on that one. But that’s OK. As someone noted, really the only recourse you have is to not fly them. And so, I have taken my 1.4 million miles on United and am generally a happy customer of other airlines. Bad service I’m used to (from all of them). Putting my child in jeopardy is inexcusable. They handed her over to someone unknown to them and against every procedure. And then had the gall to tell me “but your daughter said it was OK.” It still gets my blood boiling.

  100. Jyarmis Avatar

    I have a United (then Continental) story of a complete system breakdown. Fortunately all ended well but…
    So, why do they have the whole unaccompanied minor system? To help the child make sure they get to the right place and END UP WITH THE RIGHT PERSON. Well, my daughter was flying from Mexico through Houston to New York. She checked in at the small Mexican airport where apparently they didn’t know how to handle this situation. So she boarded the plane. When checking in at Houston after clearing customs, someone noticed that she hadn’t been checked in as unaccompanied and asked her if she wanted to check in now. She had met a friend and the friend’s mother, so she said “no, that’s not necessary” and the airline allowed her to travel on her own based on that representation. Now one of the requirements of the system is that the ONLY person the child can be turned over to is the person who is noted in the record as the official designee. The child can’t change that. They certainly can’t change it on the representation of someone else who’s unrelated to the child. But based on my daughter’s representation, they turned her over to a complete stranger. Now as I said, this person was in fact known to my daughter and things were totally safe. But what if…? The rules are designed precisely to AVOID that kind of situation and United/Continental disregarded their own procedures not once but twice!
    Then they tried to assuage me by returning the fee. I said “of course you’re going to return the fee. You didn’t deliver the service. I want the airfare back too.” I’m still waiting on that one. But that’s OK. As someone noted, really the only recourse you have is to not fly them. And so, I have taken my 1.4 million miles on United and am generally a happy customer of other airlines. Bad service I’m used to (from all of them). Putting my child in jeopardy is inexcusable. They handed her over to someone unknown to them and against every procedure. And then had the gall to tell me “but your daughter said it was OK.” It still gets my blood boiling.

  101. Jyarmis Avatar

    I have a United (then Continental) story of a complete system breakdown. Fortunately all ended well but…
    So, why do they have the whole unaccompanied minor system? To help the child make sure they get to the right place and END UP WITH THE RIGHT PERSON. Well, my daughter was flying from Mexico through Houston to New York. She checked in at the small Mexican airport where apparently they didn’t know how to handle this situation. So she boarded the plane. When checking in at Houston after clearing customs, someone noticed that she hadn’t been checked in as unaccompanied and asked her if she wanted to check in now. She had met a friend and the friend’s mother, so she said “no, that’s not necessary” and the airline allowed her to travel on her own based on that representation. Now one of the requirements of the system is that the ONLY person the child can be turned over to is the person who is noted in the record as the official designee. The child can’t change that. They certainly can’t change it on the representation of someone else who’s unrelated to the child. But based on my daughter’s representation, they turned her over to a complete stranger. Now as I said, this person was in fact known to my daughter and things were totally safe. But what if…? The rules are designed precisely to AVOID that kind of situation and United/Continental disregarded their own procedures not once but twice!
    Then they tried to assuage me by returning the fee. I said “of course you’re going to return the fee. You didn’t deliver the service. I want the airfare back too.” I’m still waiting on that one. But that’s OK. As someone noted, really the only recourse you have is to not fly them. And so, I have taken my 1.4 million miles on United and am generally a happy customer of other airlines. Bad service I’m used to (from all of them). Putting my child in jeopardy is inexcusable. They handed her over to someone unknown to them and against every procedure. And then had the gall to tell me “but your daughter said it was OK.” It still gets my blood boiling.

  102. Jyarmis Avatar

    I have a United (then Continental) story of a complete system breakdown. Fortunately all ended well but…
    So, why do they have the whole unaccompanied minor system? To help the child make sure they get to the right place and END UP WITH THE RIGHT PERSON. Well, my daughter was flying from Mexico through Houston to New York. She checked in at the small Mexican airport where apparently they didn’t know how to handle this situation. So she boarded the plane. When checking in at Houston after clearing customs, someone noticed that she hadn’t been checked in as unaccompanied and asked her if she wanted to check in now. She had met a friend and the friend’s mother, so she said “no, that’s not necessary” and the airline allowed her to travel on her own based on that representation. Now one of the requirements of the system is that the ONLY person the child can be turned over to is the person who is noted in the record as the official designee. The child can’t change that. They certainly can’t change it on the representation of someone else who’s unrelated to the child. But based on my daughter’s representation, they turned her over to a complete stranger. Now as I said, this person was in fact known to my daughter and things were totally safe. But what if…? The rules are designed precisely to AVOID that kind of situation and United/Continental disregarded their own procedures not once but twice!
    Then they tried to assuage me by returning the fee. I said “of course you’re going to return the fee. You didn’t deliver the service. I want the airfare back too.” I’m still waiting on that one. But that’s OK. As someone noted, really the only recourse you have is to not fly them. And so, I have taken my 1.4 million miles on United and am generally a happy customer of other airlines. Bad service I’m used to (from all of them). Putting my child in jeopardy is inexcusable. They handed her over to someone unknown to them and against every procedure. And then had the gall to tell me “but your daughter said it was OK.” It still gets my blood boiling.

  103. Jyarmis Avatar

    I have a United (then Continental) story of a complete system breakdown. Fortunately all ended well but…
    So, why do they have the whole unaccompanied minor system? To help the child make sure they get to the right place and END UP WITH THE RIGHT PERSON. Well, my daughter was flying from Mexico through Houston to New York. She checked in at the small Mexican airport where apparently they didn’t know how to handle this situation. So she boarded the plane. When checking in at Houston after clearing customs, someone noticed that she hadn’t been checked in as unaccompanied and asked her if she wanted to check in now. She had met a friend and the friend’s mother, so she said “no, that’s not necessary” and the airline allowed her to travel on her own based on that representation. Now one of the requirements of the system is that the ONLY person the child can be turned over to is the person who is noted in the record as the official designee. The child can’t change that. They certainly can’t change it on the representation of someone else who’s unrelated to the child. But based on my daughter’s representation, they turned her over to a complete stranger. Now as I said, this person was in fact known to my daughter and things were totally safe. But what if…? The rules are designed precisely to AVOID that kind of situation and United/Continental disregarded their own procedures not once but twice!
    Then they tried to assuage me by returning the fee. I said “of course you’re going to return the fee. You didn’t deliver the service. I want the airfare back too.” I’m still waiting on that one. But that’s OK. As someone noted, really the only recourse you have is to not fly them. And so, I have taken my 1.4 million miles on United and am generally a happy customer of other airlines. Bad service I’m used to (from all of them). Putting my child in jeopardy is inexcusable. They handed her over to someone unknown to them and against every procedure. And then had the gall to tell me “but your daughter said it was OK.” It still gets my blood boiling.

  104. Jyarmis Avatar

    I have a United (then Continental) story of a complete system breakdown. Fortunately all ended well but…
    So, why do they have the whole unaccompanied minor system? To help the child make sure they get to the right place and END UP WITH THE RIGHT PERSON. Well, my daughter was flying from Mexico through Houston to New York. She checked in at the small Mexican airport where apparently they didn’t know how to handle this situation. So she boarded the plane. When checking in at Houston after clearing customs, someone noticed that she hadn’t been checked in as unaccompanied and asked her if she wanted to check in now. She had met a friend and the friend’s mother, so she said “no, that’s not necessary” and the airline allowed her to travel on her own based on that representation. Now one of the requirements of the system is that the ONLY person the child can be turned over to is the person who is noted in the record as the official designee. The child can’t change that. They certainly can’t change it on the representation of someone else who’s unrelated to the child. But based on my daughter’s representation, they turned her over to a complete stranger. Now as I said, this person was in fact known to my daughter and things were totally safe. But what if…? The rules are designed precisely to AVOID that kind of situation and United/Continental disregarded their own procedures not once but twice!
    Then they tried to assuage me by returning the fee. I said “of course you’re going to return the fee. You didn’t deliver the service. I want the airfare back too.” I’m still waiting on that one. But that’s OK. As someone noted, really the only recourse you have is to not fly them. And so, I have taken my 1.4 million miles on United and am generally a happy customer of other airlines. Bad service I’m used to (from all of them). Putting my child in jeopardy is inexcusable. They handed her over to someone unknown to them and against every procedure. And then had the gall to tell me “but your daughter said it was OK.” It still gets my blood boiling.

  105. jik Avatar

    “…but writing an e-mail to the CEO’s e-mail box will get you a call from executive relations very quickly.”
    Who cares? They won’t do anything useful either. All the executive relations office is supposed to do is placate angry customers and make them go away. They have no power to make any sort of meaningful long-term change. The marching orders they are given are, “Everything we’re doing is fine. Complaining customers are the problem, not us. Just do whatever you need to do to make them go away.”

  106. jik Avatar

    “…but writing an e-mail to the CEO’s e-mail box will get you a call from executive relations very quickly.”
    Who cares? They won’t do anything useful either. All the executive relations office is supposed to do is placate angry customers and make them go away. They have no power to make any sort of meaningful long-term change. The marching orders they are given are, “Everything we’re doing is fine. Complaining customers are the problem, not us. Just do whatever you need to do to make them go away.”

  107. jik Avatar

    “…but writing an e-mail to the CEO’s e-mail box will get you a call from executive relations very quickly.”
    Who cares? They won’t do anything useful either. All the executive relations office is supposed to do is placate angry customers and make them go away. They have no power to make any sort of meaningful long-term change. The marching orders they are given are, “Everything we’re doing is fine. Complaining customers are the problem, not us. Just do whatever you need to do to make them go away.”

  108. jik Avatar

    “…but writing an e-mail to the CEO’s e-mail box will get you a call from executive relations very quickly.”
    Who cares? They won’t do anything useful either. All the executive relations office is supposed to do is placate angry customers and make them go away. They have no power to make any sort of meaningful long-term change. The marching orders they are given are, “Everything we’re doing is fine. Complaining customers are the problem, not us. Just do whatever you need to do to make them go away.”

  109. jik Avatar

    “…but writing an e-mail to the CEO’s e-mail box will get you a call from executive relations very quickly.”
    Who cares? They won’t do anything useful either. All the executive relations office is supposed to do is placate angry customers and make them go away. They have no power to make any sort of meaningful long-term change. The marching orders they are given are, “Everything we’re doing is fine. Complaining customers are the problem, not us. Just do whatever you need to do to make them go away.”

  110. jik Avatar

    “…but writing an e-mail to the CEO’s e-mail box will get you a call from executive relations very quickly.”
    Who cares? They won’t do anything useful either. All the executive relations office is supposed to do is placate angry customers and make them go away. They have no power to make any sort of meaningful long-term change. The marching orders they are given are, “Everything we’re doing is fine. Complaining customers are the problem, not us. Just do whatever you need to do to make them go away.”

  111. jik Avatar

    “…but writing an e-mail to the CEO’s e-mail box will get you a call from executive relations very quickly.”
    Who cares? They won’t do anything useful either. All the executive relations office is supposed to do is placate angry customers and make them go away. They have no power to make any sort of meaningful long-term change. The marching orders they are given are, “Everything we’re doing is fine. Complaining customers are the problem, not us. Just do whatever you need to do to make them go away.”

  112. jik Avatar

    “…but writing an e-mail to the CEO’s e-mail box will get you a call from executive relations very quickly.”
    Who cares? They won’t do anything useful either. All the executive relations office is supposed to do is placate angry customers and make them go away. They have no power to make any sort of meaningful long-term change. The marching orders they are given are, “Everything we’re doing is fine. Complaining customers are the problem, not us. Just do whatever you need to do to make them go away.”

  113. Jim Lippard Avatar

    Item 6 I find the most baffling. Were you just attempting to file a complaint over the phone with an individual employee who was being unhelpful, perhaps out of misguided self-preservation? There’s still something to be said for writing and sending a letter or email, at least then you know its content as submitted is what you wrote.

  114. Jim Lippard Avatar

    Item 6 I find the most baffling. Were you just attempting to file a complaint over the phone with an individual employee who was being unhelpful, perhaps out of misguided self-preservation? There’s still something to be said for writing and sending a letter or email, at least then you know its content as submitted is what you wrote.

  115. Jim Lippard Avatar

    Item 6 I find the most baffling. Were you just attempting to file a complaint over the phone with an individual employee who was being unhelpful, perhaps out of misguided self-preservation? There’s still something to be said for writing and sending a letter or email, at least then you know its content as submitted is what you wrote.

  116. Jim Lippard Avatar

    Item 6 I find the most baffling. Were you just attempting to file a complaint over the phone with an individual employee who was being unhelpful, perhaps out of misguided self-preservation? There’s still something to be said for writing and sending a letter or email, at least then you know its content as submitted is what you wrote.

  117. Jim Lippard Avatar

    Item 6 I find the most baffling. Were you just attempting to file a complaint over the phone with an individual employee who was being unhelpful, perhaps out of misguided self-preservation? There’s still something to be said for writing and sending a letter or email, at least then you know its content as submitted is what you wrote.

  118. Jim Lippard Avatar

    Item 6 I find the most baffling. Were you just attempting to file a complaint over the phone with an individual employee who was being unhelpful, perhaps out of misguided self-preservation? There’s still something to be said for writing and sending a letter or email, at least then you know its content as submitted is what you wrote.

  119. Jim Lippard Avatar

    Item 6 I find the most baffling. Were you just attempting to file a complaint over the phone with an individual employee who was being unhelpful, perhaps out of misguided self-preservation? There’s still something to be said for writing and sending a letter or email, at least then you know its content as submitted is what you wrote.

  120. Jim Lippard Avatar

    Item 6 I find the most baffling. Were you just attempting to file a complaint over the phone with an individual employee who was being unhelpful, perhaps out of misguided self-preservation? There’s still something to be said for writing and sending a letter or email, at least then you know its content as submitted is what you wrote.

  121. Paul Cone Avatar

    United CEO Jeff Smisek is a weasel. Hopefully a story like this will rock United some more, because they don’t seem to learn.

  122. Paul Cone Avatar

    United CEO Jeff Smisek is a weasel. Hopefully a story like this will rock United some more, because they don’t seem to learn.

  123. Paul Cone Avatar

    United CEO Jeff Smisek is a weasel. Hopefully a story like this will rock United some more, because they don’t seem to learn.

  124. Paul Cone Avatar

    United CEO Jeff Smisek is a weasel. Hopefully a story like this will rock United some more, because they don’t seem to learn.

  125. Paul Cone Avatar

    United CEO Jeff Smisek is a weasel. Hopefully a story like this will rock United some more, because they don’t seem to learn.

  126. Paul Cone Avatar

    United CEO Jeff Smisek is a weasel. Hopefully a story like this will rock United some more, because they don’t seem to learn.

  127. Paul Cone Avatar

    United CEO Jeff Smisek is a weasel. Hopefully a story like this will rock United some more, because they don’t seem to learn.

  128. Paul Cone Avatar

    United CEO Jeff Smisek is a weasel. Hopefully a story like this will rock United some more, because they don’t seem to learn.

  129. Daniel Avatar

    Good grief, this is becoming a trend. United lost my brother and cousin in LA one time. They were older at the time at 14 and 13, but still very young. The family was making our way out Hawaii with a stopover in LA. The flight from Dallas was delayed somewhat so we all had to hurry. Our whole party boarded the plane, but the flight attendants actually kicked my brother and cousin off the plane because they didn’t want to make some of the standby passengers disembark.
    Didn’t even bother to tell any of us about it so we could wait with them. My brother didn’t have anything with him; not his luggage, backpack, or wallet (I believe). Same for my cousin. They ended up having to wait overnight for the next flight. No apology, no recourse.

  130. Daniel Avatar

    Good grief, this is becoming a trend. United lost my brother and cousin in LA one time. They were older at the time at 14 and 13, but still very young. The family was making our way out Hawaii with a stopover in LA. The flight from Dallas was delayed somewhat so we all had to hurry. Our whole party boarded the plane, but the flight attendants actually kicked my brother and cousin off the plane because they didn’t want to make some of the standby passengers disembark.
    Didn’t even bother to tell any of us about it so we could wait with them. My brother didn’t have anything with him; not his luggage, backpack, or wallet (I believe). Same for my cousin. They ended up having to wait overnight for the next flight. No apology, no recourse.

  131. Daniel Avatar

    Good grief, this is becoming a trend. United lost my brother and cousin in LA one time. They were older at the time at 14 and 13, but still very young. The family was making our way out Hawaii with a stopover in LA. The flight from Dallas was delayed somewhat so we all had to hurry. Our whole party boarded the plane, but the flight attendants actually kicked my brother and cousin off the plane because they didn’t want to make some of the standby passengers disembark.
    Didn’t even bother to tell any of us about it so we could wait with them. My brother didn’t have anything with him; not his luggage, backpack, or wallet (I believe). Same for my cousin. They ended up having to wait overnight for the next flight. No apology, no recourse.

  132. Daniel Avatar

    Good grief, this is becoming a trend. United lost my brother and cousin in LA one time. They were older at the time at 14 and 13, but still very young. The family was making our way out Hawaii with a stopover in LA. The flight from Dallas was delayed somewhat so we all had to hurry. Our whole party boarded the plane, but the flight attendants actually kicked my brother and cousin off the plane because they didn’t want to make some of the standby passengers disembark.
    Didn’t even bother to tell any of us about it so we could wait with them. My brother didn’t have anything with him; not his luggage, backpack, or wallet (I believe). Same for my cousin. They ended up having to wait overnight for the next flight. No apology, no recourse.

  133. Daniel Avatar

    Good grief, this is becoming a trend. United lost my brother and cousin in LA one time. They were older at the time at 14 and 13, but still very young. The family was making our way out Hawaii with a stopover in LA. The flight from Dallas was delayed somewhat so we all had to hurry. Our whole party boarded the plane, but the flight attendants actually kicked my brother and cousin off the plane because they didn’t want to make some of the standby passengers disembark.
    Didn’t even bother to tell any of us about it so we could wait with them. My brother didn’t have anything with him; not his luggage, backpack, or wallet (I believe). Same for my cousin. They ended up having to wait overnight for the next flight. No apology, no recourse.

  134. Daniel Avatar

    Good grief, this is becoming a trend. United lost my brother and cousin in LA one time. They were older at the time at 14 and 13, but still very young. The family was making our way out Hawaii with a stopover in LA. The flight from Dallas was delayed somewhat so we all had to hurry. Our whole party boarded the plane, but the flight attendants actually kicked my brother and cousin off the plane because they didn’t want to make some of the standby passengers disembark.
    Didn’t even bother to tell any of us about it so we could wait with them. My brother didn’t have anything with him; not his luggage, backpack, or wallet (I believe). Same for my cousin. They ended up having to wait overnight for the next flight. No apology, no recourse.

  135. Daniel Avatar

    Good grief, this is becoming a trend. United lost my brother and cousin in LA one time. They were older at the time at 14 and 13, but still very young. The family was making our way out Hawaii with a stopover in LA. The flight from Dallas was delayed somewhat so we all had to hurry. Our whole party boarded the plane, but the flight attendants actually kicked my brother and cousin off the plane because they didn’t want to make some of the standby passengers disembark.
    Didn’t even bother to tell any of us about it so we could wait with them. My brother didn’t have anything with him; not his luggage, backpack, or wallet (I believe). Same for my cousin. They ended up having to wait overnight for the next flight. No apology, no recourse.

  136. Daniel Avatar

    Good grief, this is becoming a trend. United lost my brother and cousin in LA one time. They were older at the time at 14 and 13, but still very young. The family was making our way out Hawaii with a stopover in LA. The flight from Dallas was delayed somewhat so we all had to hurry. Our whole party boarded the plane, but the flight attendants actually kicked my brother and cousin off the plane because they didn’t want to make some of the standby passengers disembark.
    Didn’t even bother to tell any of us about it so we could wait with them. My brother didn’t have anything with him; not his luggage, backpack, or wallet (I believe). Same for my cousin. They ended up having to wait overnight for the next flight. No apology, no recourse.

  137. Iamrot Avatar

    I used to fly 150k miles a year with United but no longer. Their merger has made the company value in whole decline. The new rules and the attitudes of the staff there is horrible. The last of many incidents I came in for a connection into LAX and the crew refused to fly me to my connection (3 hours by car) seven hours later they where able to locate a pilot. We were suppose to arrive at 5pm we showed up 15 mins until 2am. Bags have been lost and many other issues. Sad, the company was great for so many years now it has become an example of how not to do business.

  138. Iamrot Avatar

    I used to fly 150k miles a year with United but no longer. Their merger has made the company value in whole decline. The new rules and the attitudes of the staff there is horrible. The last of many incidents I came in for a connection into LAX and the crew refused to fly me to my connection (3 hours by car) seven hours later they where able to locate a pilot. We were suppose to arrive at 5pm we showed up 15 mins until 2am. Bags have been lost and many other issues. Sad, the company was great for so many years now it has become an example of how not to do business.

  139. Iamrot Avatar

    I used to fly 150k miles a year with United but no longer. Their merger has made the company value in whole decline. The new rules and the attitudes of the staff there is horrible. The last of many incidents I came in for a connection into LAX and the crew refused to fly me to my connection (3 hours by car) seven hours later they where able to locate a pilot. We were suppose to arrive at 5pm we showed up 15 mins until 2am. Bags have been lost and many other issues. Sad, the company was great for so many years now it has become an example of how not to do business.

  140. Iamrot Avatar

    I used to fly 150k miles a year with United but no longer. Their merger has made the company value in whole decline. The new rules and the attitudes of the staff there is horrible. The last of many incidents I came in for a connection into LAX and the crew refused to fly me to my connection (3 hours by car) seven hours later they where able to locate a pilot. We were suppose to arrive at 5pm we showed up 15 mins until 2am. Bags have been lost and many other issues. Sad, the company was great for so many years now it has become an example of how not to do business.

  141. Iamrot Avatar

    I used to fly 150k miles a year with United but no longer. Their merger has made the company value in whole decline. The new rules and the attitudes of the staff there is horrible. The last of many incidents I came in for a connection into LAX and the crew refused to fly me to my connection (3 hours by car) seven hours later they where able to locate a pilot. We were suppose to arrive at 5pm we showed up 15 mins until 2am. Bags have been lost and many other issues. Sad, the company was great for so many years now it has become an example of how not to do business.

  142. Iamrot Avatar

    I used to fly 150k miles a year with United but no longer. Their merger has made the company value in whole decline. The new rules and the attitudes of the staff there is horrible. The last of many incidents I came in for a connection into LAX and the crew refused to fly me to my connection (3 hours by car) seven hours later they where able to locate a pilot. We were suppose to arrive at 5pm we showed up 15 mins until 2am. Bags have been lost and many other issues. Sad, the company was great for so many years now it has become an example of how not to do business.

  143. Iamrot Avatar

    I used to fly 150k miles a year with United but no longer. Their merger has made the company value in whole decline. The new rules and the attitudes of the staff there is horrible. The last of many incidents I came in for a connection into LAX and the crew refused to fly me to my connection (3 hours by car) seven hours later they where able to locate a pilot. We were suppose to arrive at 5pm we showed up 15 mins until 2am. Bags have been lost and many other issues. Sad, the company was great for so many years now it has become an example of how not to do business.

  144. Iamrot Avatar

    I used to fly 150k miles a year with United but no longer. Their merger has made the company value in whole decline. The new rules and the attitudes of the staff there is horrible. The last of many incidents I came in for a connection into LAX and the crew refused to fly me to my connection (3 hours by car) seven hours later they where able to locate a pilot. We were suppose to arrive at 5pm we showed up 15 mins until 2am. Bags have been lost and many other issues. Sad, the company was great for so many years now it has become an example of how not to do business.

  145. sounddevisor Avatar

    Interesting that JetBlue gets mentioned a few times for good behavior – I had a very similar situation with JetBlue and my niece, who was 10 years old and traveling as an unaccompanied minor at the time.
    JetBlue didn’t actually lose her, but they did somehow manage to strand her at JFK airport due to a flight delay, without informing either me or her mother that she would be arriving much later than expected. (This was despite the fact that I was required to wait at the airport until her flight left.) My sister ended up spending 6 hours at the airport waiting for her daughter, and only found out what was going on when another kid on the flight used his cell phone to call his father, who was at the airport waiting just like my sister.
    Other questionable actions occurred (not letting my niece go to the bathroom, not providing any food or drink to the kids who were stranded at the airport for hours, etc.), and the ultimate outcome was that my sister got a very pro-forma apology and a voucher for JetBlue, which it turned out later was essentially useless due to the “regulations” on how she could use it.
    So, in my experience, JetBlue is no better than any other large, faceless corporation where responsibility can be passed along from one nameless drone to the next.

  146. sounddevisor Avatar

    Interesting that JetBlue gets mentioned a few times for good behavior – I had a very similar situation with JetBlue and my niece, who was 10 years old and traveling as an unaccompanied minor at the time.
    JetBlue didn’t actually lose her, but they did somehow manage to strand her at JFK airport due to a flight delay, without informing either me or her mother that she would be arriving much later than expected. (This was despite the fact that I was required to wait at the airport until her flight left.) My sister ended up spending 6 hours at the airport waiting for her daughter, and only found out what was going on when another kid on the flight used his cell phone to call his father, who was at the airport waiting just like my sister.
    Other questionable actions occurred (not letting my niece go to the bathroom, not providing any food or drink to the kids who were stranded at the airport for hours, etc.), and the ultimate outcome was that my sister got a very pro-forma apology and a voucher for JetBlue, which it turned out later was essentially useless due to the “regulations” on how she could use it.
    So, in my experience, JetBlue is no better than any other large, faceless corporation where responsibility can be passed along from one nameless drone to the next.

  147. sounddevisor Avatar

    Interesting that JetBlue gets mentioned a few times for good behavior – I had a very similar situation with JetBlue and my niece, who was 10 years old and traveling as an unaccompanied minor at the time.
    JetBlue didn’t actually lose her, but they did somehow manage to strand her at JFK airport due to a flight delay, without informing either me or her mother that she would be arriving much later than expected. (This was despite the fact that I was required to wait at the airport until her flight left.) My sister ended up spending 6 hours at the airport waiting for her daughter, and only found out what was going on when another kid on the flight used his cell phone to call his father, who was at the airport waiting just like my sister.
    Other questionable actions occurred (not letting my niece go to the bathroom, not providing any food or drink to the kids who were stranded at the airport for hours, etc.), and the ultimate outcome was that my sister got a very pro-forma apology and a voucher for JetBlue, which it turned out later was essentially useless due to the “regulations” on how she could use it.
    So, in my experience, JetBlue is no better than any other large, faceless corporation where responsibility can be passed along from one nameless drone to the next.

  148. sounddevisor Avatar

    Interesting that JetBlue gets mentioned a few times for good behavior – I had a very similar situation with JetBlue and my niece, who was 10 years old and traveling as an unaccompanied minor at the time.
    JetBlue didn’t actually lose her, but they did somehow manage to strand her at JFK airport due to a flight delay, without informing either me or her mother that she would be arriving much later than expected. (This was despite the fact that I was required to wait at the airport until her flight left.) My sister ended up spending 6 hours at the airport waiting for her daughter, and only found out what was going on when another kid on the flight used his cell phone to call his father, who was at the airport waiting just like my sister.
    Other questionable actions occurred (not letting my niece go to the bathroom, not providing any food or drink to the kids who were stranded at the airport for hours, etc.), and the ultimate outcome was that my sister got a very pro-forma apology and a voucher for JetBlue, which it turned out later was essentially useless due to the “regulations” on how she could use it.
    So, in my experience, JetBlue is no better than any other large, faceless corporation where responsibility can be passed along from one nameless drone to the next.

  149. sounddevisor Avatar

    Interesting that JetBlue gets mentioned a few times for good behavior – I had a very similar situation with JetBlue and my niece, who was 10 years old and traveling as an unaccompanied minor at the time.
    JetBlue didn’t actually lose her, but they did somehow manage to strand her at JFK airport due to a flight delay, without informing either me or her mother that she would be arriving much later than expected. (This was despite the fact that I was required to wait at the airport until her flight left.) My sister ended up spending 6 hours at the airport waiting for her daughter, and only found out what was going on when another kid on the flight used his cell phone to call his father, who was at the airport waiting just like my sister.
    Other questionable actions occurred (not letting my niece go to the bathroom, not providing any food or drink to the kids who were stranded at the airport for hours, etc.), and the ultimate outcome was that my sister got a very pro-forma apology and a voucher for JetBlue, which it turned out later was essentially useless due to the “regulations” on how she could use it.
    So, in my experience, JetBlue is no better than any other large, faceless corporation where responsibility can be passed along from one nameless drone to the next.

  150. sounddevisor Avatar

    Interesting that JetBlue gets mentioned a few times for good behavior – I had a very similar situation with JetBlue and my niece, who was 10 years old and traveling as an unaccompanied minor at the time.
    JetBlue didn’t actually lose her, but they did somehow manage to strand her at JFK airport due to a flight delay, without informing either me or her mother that she would be arriving much later than expected. (This was despite the fact that I was required to wait at the airport until her flight left.) My sister ended up spending 6 hours at the airport waiting for her daughter, and only found out what was going on when another kid on the flight used his cell phone to call his father, who was at the airport waiting just like my sister.
    Other questionable actions occurred (not letting my niece go to the bathroom, not providing any food or drink to the kids who were stranded at the airport for hours, etc.), and the ultimate outcome was that my sister got a very pro-forma apology and a voucher for JetBlue, which it turned out later was essentially useless due to the “regulations” on how she could use it.
    So, in my experience, JetBlue is no better than any other large, faceless corporation where responsibility can be passed along from one nameless drone to the next.

  151. sounddevisor Avatar

    Interesting that JetBlue gets mentioned a few times for good behavior – I had a very similar situation with JetBlue and my niece, who was 10 years old and traveling as an unaccompanied minor at the time.
    JetBlue didn’t actually lose her, but they did somehow manage to strand her at JFK airport due to a flight delay, without informing either me or her mother that she would be arriving much later than expected. (This was despite the fact that I was required to wait at the airport until her flight left.) My sister ended up spending 6 hours at the airport waiting for her daughter, and only found out what was going on when another kid on the flight used his cell phone to call his father, who was at the airport waiting just like my sister.
    Other questionable actions occurred (not letting my niece go to the bathroom, not providing any food or drink to the kids who were stranded at the airport for hours, etc.), and the ultimate outcome was that my sister got a very pro-forma apology and a voucher for JetBlue, which it turned out later was essentially useless due to the “regulations” on how she could use it.
    So, in my experience, JetBlue is no better than any other large, faceless corporation where responsibility can be passed along from one nameless drone to the next.

  152. sounddevisor Avatar

    Interesting that JetBlue gets mentioned a few times for good behavior – I had a very similar situation with JetBlue and my niece, who was 10 years old and traveling as an unaccompanied minor at the time.
    JetBlue didn’t actually lose her, but they did somehow manage to strand her at JFK airport due to a flight delay, without informing either me or her mother that she would be arriving much later than expected. (This was despite the fact that I was required to wait at the airport until her flight left.) My sister ended up spending 6 hours at the airport waiting for her daughter, and only found out what was going on when another kid on the flight used his cell phone to call his father, who was at the airport waiting just like my sister.
    Other questionable actions occurred (not letting my niece go to the bathroom, not providing any food or drink to the kids who were stranded at the airport for hours, etc.), and the ultimate outcome was that my sister got a very pro-forma apology and a voucher for JetBlue, which it turned out later was essentially useless due to the “regulations” on how she could use it.
    So, in my experience, JetBlue is no better than any other large, faceless corporation where responsibility can be passed along from one nameless drone to the next.

  153. ockeghem Avatar

    I’ve noticed for about two years that United has become explicitly hostile to families and children. Just about every airline I fly allows families with small children to board first — still today. But when I tried to board early with my eight-month-old on United, the flight attendant informed me, in a snide voice, that “children are a blessing, not an disability. Only the disabled get to preboard.” Then I flashed my Star Alliance Gold card and only THEN it was okay to preboard. And yes, the first class/frequent flier passengers boarding in the line around me were all PO’ed at her tone, too, and told me (and her) so.
    United and children don’t mix — I’m convinced it’s an institutional policy there.

  154. ockeghem Avatar

    I’ve noticed for about two years that United has become explicitly hostile to families and children. Just about every airline I fly allows families with small children to board first — still today. But when I tried to board early with my eight-month-old on United, the flight attendant informed me, in a snide voice, that “children are a blessing, not an disability. Only the disabled get to preboard.” Then I flashed my Star Alliance Gold card and only THEN it was okay to preboard. And yes, the first class/frequent flier passengers boarding in the line around me were all PO’ed at her tone, too, and told me (and her) so.
    United and children don’t mix — I’m convinced it’s an institutional policy there.

  155. ockeghem Avatar

    I’ve noticed for about two years that United has become explicitly hostile to families and children. Just about every airline I fly allows families with small children to board first — still today. But when I tried to board early with my eight-month-old on United, the flight attendant informed me, in a snide voice, that “children are a blessing, not an disability. Only the disabled get to preboard.” Then I flashed my Star Alliance Gold card and only THEN it was okay to preboard. And yes, the first class/frequent flier passengers boarding in the line around me were all PO’ed at her tone, too, and told me (and her) so.
    United and children don’t mix — I’m convinced it’s an institutional policy there.

  156. ockeghem Avatar

    I’ve noticed for about two years that United has become explicitly hostile to families and children. Just about every airline I fly allows families with small children to board first — still today. But when I tried to board early with my eight-month-old on United, the flight attendant informed me, in a snide voice, that “children are a blessing, not an disability. Only the disabled get to preboard.” Then I flashed my Star Alliance Gold card and only THEN it was okay to preboard. And yes, the first class/frequent flier passengers boarding in the line around me were all PO’ed at her tone, too, and told me (and her) so.
    United and children don’t mix — I’m convinced it’s an institutional policy there.

  157. ockeghem Avatar

    I’ve noticed for about two years that United has become explicitly hostile to families and children. Just about every airline I fly allows families with small children to board first — still today. But when I tried to board early with my eight-month-old on United, the flight attendant informed me, in a snide voice, that “children are a blessing, not an disability. Only the disabled get to preboard.” Then I flashed my Star Alliance Gold card and only THEN it was okay to preboard. And yes, the first class/frequent flier passengers boarding in the line around me were all PO’ed at her tone, too, and told me (and her) so.
    United and children don’t mix — I’m convinced it’s an institutional policy there.

  158. ockeghem Avatar

    I’ve noticed for about two years that United has become explicitly hostile to families and children. Just about every airline I fly allows families with small children to board first — still today. But when I tried to board early with my eight-month-old on United, the flight attendant informed me, in a snide voice, that “children are a blessing, not an disability. Only the disabled get to preboard.” Then I flashed my Star Alliance Gold card and only THEN it was okay to preboard. And yes, the first class/frequent flier passengers boarding in the line around me were all PO’ed at her tone, too, and told me (and her) so.
    United and children don’t mix — I’m convinced it’s an institutional policy there.

  159. ockeghem Avatar

    I’ve noticed for about two years that United has become explicitly hostile to families and children. Just about every airline I fly allows families with small children to board first — still today. But when I tried to board early with my eight-month-old on United, the flight attendant informed me, in a snide voice, that “children are a blessing, not an disability. Only the disabled get to preboard.” Then I flashed my Star Alliance Gold card and only THEN it was okay to preboard. And yes, the first class/frequent flier passengers boarding in the line around me were all PO’ed at her tone, too, and told me (and her) so.
    United and children don’t mix — I’m convinced it’s an institutional policy there.

  160. ockeghem Avatar

    I’ve noticed for about two years that United has become explicitly hostile to families and children. Just about every airline I fly allows families with small children to board first — still today. But when I tried to board early with my eight-month-old on United, the flight attendant informed me, in a snide voice, that “children are a blessing, not an disability. Only the disabled get to preboard.” Then I flashed my Star Alliance Gold card and only THEN it was okay to preboard. And yes, the first class/frequent flier passengers boarding in the line around me were all PO’ed at her tone, too, and told me (and her) so.
    United and children don’t mix — I’m convinced it’s an institutional policy there.

  161. Seadog Avatar

    Since the acquisition of Continental, I have been exposed to the obvious employee attitude of United airlines. I have been told face to face, they are the largest in America and they don’t need me as a customer. I have been a Platinum member of the Continental system but now have the very minimum of mileage with United. I will take virtually any alternative and 99% is due to the employees in Dulles, Boston, Chicago, and Detroit. The professional travelers I have talkedtoahve similar impressions, so it’s not only family unfriendly.

  162. Seadog Avatar

    Since the acquisition of Continental, I have been exposed to the obvious employee attitude of United airlines. I have been told face to face, they are the largest in America and they don’t need me as a customer. I have been a Platinum member of the Continental system but now have the very minimum of mileage with United. I will take virtually any alternative and 99% is due to the employees in Dulles, Boston, Chicago, and Detroit. The professional travelers I have talkedtoahve similar impressions, so it’s not only family unfriendly.

  163. Seadog Avatar

    Since the acquisition of Continental, I have been exposed to the obvious employee attitude of United airlines. I have been told face to face, they are the largest in America and they don’t need me as a customer. I have been a Platinum member of the Continental system but now have the very minimum of mileage with United. I will take virtually any alternative and 99% is due to the employees in Dulles, Boston, Chicago, and Detroit. The professional travelers I have talkedtoahve similar impressions, so it’s not only family unfriendly.

  164. Seadog Avatar

    Since the acquisition of Continental, I have been exposed to the obvious employee attitude of United airlines. I have been told face to face, they are the largest in America and they don’t need me as a customer. I have been a Platinum member of the Continental system but now have the very minimum of mileage with United. I will take virtually any alternative and 99% is due to the employees in Dulles, Boston, Chicago, and Detroit. The professional travelers I have talkedtoahve similar impressions, so it’s not only family unfriendly.

  165. Seadog Avatar

    Since the acquisition of Continental, I have been exposed to the obvious employee attitude of United airlines. I have been told face to face, they are the largest in America and they don’t need me as a customer. I have been a Platinum member of the Continental system but now have the very minimum of mileage with United. I will take virtually any alternative and 99% is due to the employees in Dulles, Boston, Chicago, and Detroit. The professional travelers I have talkedtoahve similar impressions, so it’s not only family unfriendly.

  166. Seadog Avatar

    Since the acquisition of Continental, I have been exposed to the obvious employee attitude of United airlines. I have been told face to face, they are the largest in America and they don’t need me as a customer. I have been a Platinum member of the Continental system but now have the very minimum of mileage with United. I will take virtually any alternative and 99% is due to the employees in Dulles, Boston, Chicago, and Detroit. The professional travelers I have talkedtoahve similar impressions, so it’s not only family unfriendly.

  167. Seadog Avatar

    Since the acquisition of Continental, I have been exposed to the obvious employee attitude of United airlines. I have been told face to face, they are the largest in America and they don’t need me as a customer. I have been a Platinum member of the Continental system but now have the very minimum of mileage with United. I will take virtually any alternative and 99% is due to the employees in Dulles, Boston, Chicago, and Detroit. The professional travelers I have talkedtoahve similar impressions, so it’s not only family unfriendly.

  168. Seadog Avatar

    Since the acquisition of Continental, I have been exposed to the obvious employee attitude of United airlines. I have been told face to face, they are the largest in America and they don’t need me as a customer. I have been a Platinum member of the Continental system but now have the very minimum of mileage with United. I will take virtually any alternative and 99% is due to the employees in Dulles, Boston, Chicago, and Detroit. The professional travelers I have talkedtoahve similar impressions, so it’s not only family unfriendly.

  169. Melissa Herrett Avatar

    Bob – Thank you for sharing this story. It’s an appalling situation, but a great example of how disengagement in the workplace can lead to awful customer service. We are posting this on Twitter and other social media outlets, as it provides a great leasson for engaging employees.

  170. Melissa Herrett Avatar

    Bob – Thank you for sharing this story. It’s an appalling situation, but a great example of how disengagement in the workplace can lead to awful customer service. We are posting this on Twitter and other social media outlets, as it provides a great leasson for engaging employees.

  171. Melissa Herrett Avatar

    Bob – Thank you for sharing this story. It’s an appalling situation, but a great example of how disengagement in the workplace can lead to awful customer service. We are posting this on Twitter and other social media outlets, as it provides a great leasson for engaging employees.

  172. Melissa Herrett Avatar

    Bob – Thank you for sharing this story. It’s an appalling situation, but a great example of how disengagement in the workplace can lead to awful customer service. We are posting this on Twitter and other social media outlets, as it provides a great leasson for engaging employees.

  173. Melissa Herrett Avatar

    Bob – Thank you for sharing this story. It’s an appalling situation, but a great example of how disengagement in the workplace can lead to awful customer service. We are posting this on Twitter and other social media outlets, as it provides a great leasson for engaging employees.

  174. Melissa Herrett Avatar

    Bob – Thank you for sharing this story. It’s an appalling situation, but a great example of how disengagement in the workplace can lead to awful customer service. We are posting this on Twitter and other social media outlets, as it provides a great leasson for engaging employees.

  175. Melissa Herrett Avatar

    Bob – Thank you for sharing this story. It’s an appalling situation, but a great example of how disengagement in the workplace can lead to awful customer service. We are posting this on Twitter and other social media outlets, as it provides a great leasson for engaging employees.

  176. Melissa Herrett Avatar

    Bob – Thank you for sharing this story. It’s an appalling situation, but a great example of how disengagement in the workplace can lead to awful customer service. We are posting this on Twitter and other social media outlets, as it provides a great leasson for engaging employees.

  177. Ccclaw Avatar

    I retweeted this in the hopes that public pressure will spur United to action. Sunlight is the best disinfectant, as the adage goes.
    Incompetence Compounded by Indifference: How United Airlines Lost 10 Yr Old Girl & Her Luggage on Flight. http://bit.ly/NbRhTL #noloc

  178. Ccclaw Avatar

    I retweeted this in the hopes that public pressure will spur United to action. Sunlight is the best disinfectant, as the adage goes.
    Incompetence Compounded by Indifference: How United Airlines Lost 10 Yr Old Girl & Her Luggage on Flight. http://bit.ly/NbRhTL #noloc

  179. Ccclaw Avatar

    I retweeted this in the hopes that public pressure will spur United to action. Sunlight is the best disinfectant, as the adage goes.
    Incompetence Compounded by Indifference: How United Airlines Lost 10 Yr Old Girl & Her Luggage on Flight. http://bit.ly/NbRhTL #noloc

  180. Ccclaw Avatar

    I retweeted this in the hopes that public pressure will spur United to action. Sunlight is the best disinfectant, as the adage goes.
    Incompetence Compounded by Indifference: How United Airlines Lost 10 Yr Old Girl & Her Luggage on Flight. http://bit.ly/NbRhTL #noloc

  181. Ccclaw Avatar

    I retweeted this in the hopes that public pressure will spur United to action. Sunlight is the best disinfectant, as the adage goes.
    Incompetence Compounded by Indifference: How United Airlines Lost 10 Yr Old Girl & Her Luggage on Flight. http://bit.ly/NbRhTL #noloc

  182. Ccclaw Avatar

    I retweeted this in the hopes that public pressure will spur United to action. Sunlight is the best disinfectant, as the adage goes.
    Incompetence Compounded by Indifference: How United Airlines Lost 10 Yr Old Girl & Her Luggage on Flight. http://bit.ly/NbRhTL #noloc

  183. Ccclaw Avatar

    I retweeted this in the hopes that public pressure will spur United to action. Sunlight is the best disinfectant, as the adage goes.
    Incompetence Compounded by Indifference: How United Airlines Lost 10 Yr Old Girl & Her Luggage on Flight. http://bit.ly/NbRhTL #noloc

  184. Ccclaw Avatar

    I retweeted this in the hopes that public pressure will spur United to action. Sunlight is the best disinfectant, as the adage goes.
    Incompetence Compounded by Indifference: How United Airlines Lost 10 Yr Old Girl & Her Luggage on Flight. http://bit.ly/NbRhTL #noloc

  185. Megadox Avatar

    This story is ghastly. If all airlines had the same corporate culture as WestJet, you’d never hear a story like this one. That’s because WestJet is owned by its employees – they don’t just work there, they’re stakeholders in the company’s success. I never fly with another airline if WestJet has a flight to wherever I’m headed.

  186. Megadox Avatar

    This story is ghastly. If all airlines had the same corporate culture as WestJet, you’d never hear a story like this one. That’s because WestJet is owned by its employees – they don’t just work there, they’re stakeholders in the company’s success. I never fly with another airline if WestJet has a flight to wherever I’m headed.

  187. Megadox Avatar

    This story is ghastly. If all airlines had the same corporate culture as WestJet, you’d never hear a story like this one. That’s because WestJet is owned by its employees – they don’t just work there, they’re stakeholders in the company’s success. I never fly with another airline if WestJet has a flight to wherever I’m headed.

  188. Megadox Avatar

    This story is ghastly. If all airlines had the same corporate culture as WestJet, you’d never hear a story like this one. That’s because WestJet is owned by its employees – they don’t just work there, they’re stakeholders in the company’s success. I never fly with another airline if WestJet has a flight to wherever I’m headed.

  189. Megadox Avatar

    This story is ghastly. If all airlines had the same corporate culture as WestJet, you’d never hear a story like this one. That’s because WestJet is owned by its employees – they don’t just work there, they’re stakeholders in the company’s success. I never fly with another airline if WestJet has a flight to wherever I’m headed.

  190. Megadox Avatar

    This story is ghastly. If all airlines had the same corporate culture as WestJet, you’d never hear a story like this one. That’s because WestJet is owned by its employees – they don’t just work there, they’re stakeholders in the company’s success. I never fly with another airline if WestJet has a flight to wherever I’m headed.

  191. Megadox Avatar

    This story is ghastly. If all airlines had the same corporate culture as WestJet, you’d never hear a story like this one. That’s because WestJet is owned by its employees – they don’t just work there, they’re stakeholders in the company’s success. I never fly with another airline if WestJet has a flight to wherever I’m headed.

  192. Megadox Avatar

    This story is ghastly. If all airlines had the same corporate culture as WestJet, you’d never hear a story like this one. That’s because WestJet is owned by its employees – they don’t just work there, they’re stakeholders in the company’s success. I never fly with another airline if WestJet has a flight to wherever I’m headed.

  193. Thisafaux Avatar

    Was it at Midway or O’Hare?
    I used to fly as a UM a lot at a child to visit family. The only time I almost missed a transfer was at O’Hare. The woman who was supposed to take me to my next flight spent 30 minutes talking to her coworker at the gate I had arrived at. She finally decided to take me over to my gate about 10 minutes before my flight was supposed to leave – from a different terminal. We had to sprint the whole way. The plane was already backing away from the gate, and they had to pull back in to let me on.

  194. Thisafaux Avatar

    Was it at Midway or O’Hare?
    I used to fly as a UM a lot at a child to visit family. The only time I almost missed a transfer was at O’Hare. The woman who was supposed to take me to my next flight spent 30 minutes talking to her coworker at the gate I had arrived at. She finally decided to take me over to my gate about 10 minutes before my flight was supposed to leave – from a different terminal. We had to sprint the whole way. The plane was already backing away from the gate, and they had to pull back in to let me on.

  195. Thisafaux Avatar

    Was it at Midway or O’Hare?
    I used to fly as a UM a lot at a child to visit family. The only time I almost missed a transfer was at O’Hare. The woman who was supposed to take me to my next flight spent 30 minutes talking to her coworker at the gate I had arrived at. She finally decided to take me over to my gate about 10 minutes before my flight was supposed to leave – from a different terminal. We had to sprint the whole way. The plane was already backing away from the gate, and they had to pull back in to let me on.

  196. Thisafaux Avatar

    Was it at Midway or O’Hare?
    I used to fly as a UM a lot at a child to visit family. The only time I almost missed a transfer was at O’Hare. The woman who was supposed to take me to my next flight spent 30 minutes talking to her coworker at the gate I had arrived at. She finally decided to take me over to my gate about 10 minutes before my flight was supposed to leave – from a different terminal. We had to sprint the whole way. The plane was already backing away from the gate, and they had to pull back in to let me on.

  197. Thisafaux Avatar

    Was it at Midway or O’Hare?
    I used to fly as a UM a lot at a child to visit family. The only time I almost missed a transfer was at O’Hare. The woman who was supposed to take me to my next flight spent 30 minutes talking to her coworker at the gate I had arrived at. She finally decided to take me over to my gate about 10 minutes before my flight was supposed to leave – from a different terminal. We had to sprint the whole way. The plane was already backing away from the gate, and they had to pull back in to let me on.

  198. Thisafaux Avatar

    Was it at Midway or O’Hare?
    I used to fly as a UM a lot at a child to visit family. The only time I almost missed a transfer was at O’Hare. The woman who was supposed to take me to my next flight spent 30 minutes talking to her coworker at the gate I had arrived at. She finally decided to take me over to my gate about 10 minutes before my flight was supposed to leave – from a different terminal. We had to sprint the whole way. The plane was already backing away from the gate, and they had to pull back in to let me on.

  199. Thisafaux Avatar

    Was it at Midway or O’Hare?
    I used to fly as a UM a lot at a child to visit family. The only time I almost missed a transfer was at O’Hare. The woman who was supposed to take me to my next flight spent 30 minutes talking to her coworker at the gate I had arrived at. She finally decided to take me over to my gate about 10 minutes before my flight was supposed to leave – from a different terminal. We had to sprint the whole way. The plane was already backing away from the gate, and they had to pull back in to let me on.

  200. Thisafaux Avatar

    Was it at Midway or O’Hare?
    I used to fly as a UM a lot at a child to visit family. The only time I almost missed a transfer was at O’Hare. The woman who was supposed to take me to my next flight spent 30 minutes talking to her coworker at the gate I had arrived at. She finally decided to take me over to my gate about 10 minutes before my flight was supposed to leave – from a different terminal. We had to sprint the whole way. The plane was already backing away from the gate, and they had to pull back in to let me on.

  201. Jsoutherncross Avatar

    This is a horrible story. I know how they feel Delta Airline lost my 12 year old son and did nothing about it. He called home thank goodness and we got him on the flight home. We had paid for him to be escorted also but he was not and we were never refunded our money. We just came back from Alaska on United an 8 hour flight time took us 30 hours to get home. Through no fault of our own, due to their mechanical issues on a flight out of Anchorage it delayed us by 4 hours then missed our connecting flight in Houston and then they had overbooked all the flights out of Houston. The United employees were rude one even rolled his eyes at me. Even After talking to 3 employees at United Houston’s terminal with no results and 4 United employees on the phone which most had a very thick accent and very hard to understand in a noisy airport, I asked for a supervisor. She then put me on hold I really don’t know how long I was on hold but then came back and said the supervisor was busy but we would be on the 4:18 flight if we didn’t make the 2:00pm flight we were on standby for. I went back to customer service to get my boarding passes and they didn’t even have us on that flight, matter of fact, they couldn’t find my husband at all and put me on the 7:50 flight which we both were suppose to be on and had boarding passes. We finally made it home at 11:10pm some 30 hours later. The only employee that helped us had worked for Continental 25 years and did get us a refund but still nothing from the airlines themselves. I had filed a complaint on the website but have heard nothing to this date. That was the first and last time I will fly United.

  202. Jsoutherncross Avatar

    This is a horrible story. I know how they feel Delta Airline lost my 12 year old son and did nothing about it. He called home thank goodness and we got him on the flight home. We had paid for him to be escorted also but he was not and we were never refunded our money. We just came back from Alaska on United an 8 hour flight time took us 30 hours to get home. Through no fault of our own, due to their mechanical issues on a flight out of Anchorage it delayed us by 4 hours then missed our connecting flight in Houston and then they had overbooked all the flights out of Houston. The United employees were rude one even rolled his eyes at me. Even After talking to 3 employees at United Houston’s terminal with no results and 4 United employees on the phone which most had a very thick accent and very hard to understand in a noisy airport, I asked for a supervisor. She then put me on hold I really don’t know how long I was on hold but then came back and said the supervisor was busy but we would be on the 4:18 flight if we didn’t make the 2:00pm flight we were on standby for. I went back to customer service to get my boarding passes and they didn’t even have us on that flight, matter of fact, they couldn’t find my husband at all and put me on the 7:50 flight which we both were suppose to be on and had boarding passes. We finally made it home at 11:10pm some 30 hours later. The only employee that helped us had worked for Continental 25 years and did get us a refund but still nothing from the airlines themselves. I had filed a complaint on the website but have heard nothing to this date. That was the first and last time I will fly United.

  203. Jsoutherncross Avatar

    This is a horrible story. I know how they feel Delta Airline lost my 12 year old son and did nothing about it. He called home thank goodness and we got him on the flight home. We had paid for him to be escorted also but he was not and we were never refunded our money. We just came back from Alaska on United an 8 hour flight time took us 30 hours to get home. Through no fault of our own, due to their mechanical issues on a flight out of Anchorage it delayed us by 4 hours then missed our connecting flight in Houston and then they had overbooked all the flights out of Houston. The United employees were rude one even rolled his eyes at me. Even After talking to 3 employees at United Houston’s terminal with no results and 4 United employees on the phone which most had a very thick accent and very hard to understand in a noisy airport, I asked for a supervisor. She then put me on hold I really don’t know how long I was on hold but then came back and said the supervisor was busy but we would be on the 4:18 flight if we didn’t make the 2:00pm flight we were on standby for. I went back to customer service to get my boarding passes and they didn’t even have us on that flight, matter of fact, they couldn’t find my husband at all and put me on the 7:50 flight which we both were suppose to be on and had boarding passes. We finally made it home at 11:10pm some 30 hours later. The only employee that helped us had worked for Continental 25 years and did get us a refund but still nothing from the airlines themselves. I had filed a complaint on the website but have heard nothing to this date. That was the first and last time I will fly United.

  204. Jsoutherncross Avatar

    This is a horrible story. I know how they feel Delta Airline lost my 12 year old son and did nothing about it. He called home thank goodness and we got him on the flight home. We had paid for him to be escorted also but he was not and we were never refunded our money. We just came back from Alaska on United an 8 hour flight time took us 30 hours to get home. Through no fault of our own, due to their mechanical issues on a flight out of Anchorage it delayed us by 4 hours then missed our connecting flight in Houston and then they had overbooked all the flights out of Houston. The United employees were rude one even rolled his eyes at me. Even After talking to 3 employees at United Houston’s terminal with no results and 4 United employees on the phone which most had a very thick accent and very hard to understand in a noisy airport, I asked for a supervisor. She then put me on hold I really don’t know how long I was on hold but then came back and said the supervisor was busy but we would be on the 4:18 flight if we didn’t make the 2:00pm flight we were on standby for. I went back to customer service to get my boarding passes and they didn’t even have us on that flight, matter of fact, they couldn’t find my husband at all and put me on the 7:50 flight which we both were suppose to be on and had boarding passes. We finally made it home at 11:10pm some 30 hours later. The only employee that helped us had worked for Continental 25 years and did get us a refund but still nothing from the airlines themselves. I had filed a complaint on the website but have heard nothing to this date. That was the first and last time I will fly United.

  205. Jsoutherncross Avatar

    This is a horrible story. I know how they feel Delta Airline lost my 12 year old son and did nothing about it. He called home thank goodness and we got him on the flight home. We had paid for him to be escorted also but he was not and we were never refunded our money. We just came back from Alaska on United an 8 hour flight time took us 30 hours to get home. Through no fault of our own, due to their mechanical issues on a flight out of Anchorage it delayed us by 4 hours then missed our connecting flight in Houston and then they had overbooked all the flights out of Houston. The United employees were rude one even rolled his eyes at me. Even After talking to 3 employees at United Houston’s terminal with no results and 4 United employees on the phone which most had a very thick accent and very hard to understand in a noisy airport, I asked for a supervisor. She then put me on hold I really don’t know how long I was on hold but then came back and said the supervisor was busy but we would be on the 4:18 flight if we didn’t make the 2:00pm flight we were on standby for. I went back to customer service to get my boarding passes and they didn’t even have us on that flight, matter of fact, they couldn’t find my husband at all and put me on the 7:50 flight which we both were suppose to be on and had boarding passes. We finally made it home at 11:10pm some 30 hours later. The only employee that helped us had worked for Continental 25 years and did get us a refund but still nothing from the airlines themselves. I had filed a complaint on the website but have heard nothing to this date. That was the first and last time I will fly United.

  206. Jsoutherncross Avatar

    This is a horrible story. I know how they feel Delta Airline lost my 12 year old son and did nothing about it. He called home thank goodness and we got him on the flight home. We had paid for him to be escorted also but he was not and we were never refunded our money. We just came back from Alaska on United an 8 hour flight time took us 30 hours to get home. Through no fault of our own, due to their mechanical issues on a flight out of Anchorage it delayed us by 4 hours then missed our connecting flight in Houston and then they had overbooked all the flights out of Houston. The United employees were rude one even rolled his eyes at me. Even After talking to 3 employees at United Houston’s terminal with no results and 4 United employees on the phone which most had a very thick accent and very hard to understand in a noisy airport, I asked for a supervisor. She then put me on hold I really don’t know how long I was on hold but then came back and said the supervisor was busy but we would be on the 4:18 flight if we didn’t make the 2:00pm flight we were on standby for. I went back to customer service to get my boarding passes and they didn’t even have us on that flight, matter of fact, they couldn’t find my husband at all and put me on the 7:50 flight which we both were suppose to be on and had boarding passes. We finally made it home at 11:10pm some 30 hours later. The only employee that helped us had worked for Continental 25 years and did get us a refund but still nothing from the airlines themselves. I had filed a complaint on the website but have heard nothing to this date. That was the first and last time I will fly United.

  207. Jsoutherncross Avatar

    This is a horrible story. I know how they feel Delta Airline lost my 12 year old son and did nothing about it. He called home thank goodness and we got him on the flight home. We had paid for him to be escorted also but he was not and we were never refunded our money. We just came back from Alaska on United an 8 hour flight time took us 30 hours to get home. Through no fault of our own, due to their mechanical issues on a flight out of Anchorage it delayed us by 4 hours then missed our connecting flight in Houston and then they had overbooked all the flights out of Houston. The United employees were rude one even rolled his eyes at me. Even After talking to 3 employees at United Houston’s terminal with no results and 4 United employees on the phone which most had a very thick accent and very hard to understand in a noisy airport, I asked for a supervisor. She then put me on hold I really don’t know how long I was on hold but then came back and said the supervisor was busy but we would be on the 4:18 flight if we didn’t make the 2:00pm flight we were on standby for. I went back to customer service to get my boarding passes and they didn’t even have us on that flight, matter of fact, they couldn’t find my husband at all and put me on the 7:50 flight which we both were suppose to be on and had boarding passes. We finally made it home at 11:10pm some 30 hours later. The only employee that helped us had worked for Continental 25 years and did get us a refund but still nothing from the airlines themselves. I had filed a complaint on the website but have heard nothing to this date. That was the first and last time I will fly United.

  208. Jsoutherncross Avatar

    This is a horrible story. I know how they feel Delta Airline lost my 12 year old son and did nothing about it. He called home thank goodness and we got him on the flight home. We had paid for him to be escorted also but he was not and we were never refunded our money. We just came back from Alaska on United an 8 hour flight time took us 30 hours to get home. Through no fault of our own, due to their mechanical issues on a flight out of Anchorage it delayed us by 4 hours then missed our connecting flight in Houston and then they had overbooked all the flights out of Houston. The United employees were rude one even rolled his eyes at me. Even After talking to 3 employees at United Houston’s terminal with no results and 4 United employees on the phone which most had a very thick accent and very hard to understand in a noisy airport, I asked for a supervisor. She then put me on hold I really don’t know how long I was on hold but then came back and said the supervisor was busy but we would be on the 4:18 flight if we didn’t make the 2:00pm flight we were on standby for. I went back to customer service to get my boarding passes and they didn’t even have us on that flight, matter of fact, they couldn’t find my husband at all and put me on the 7:50 flight which we both were suppose to be on and had boarding passes. We finally made it home at 11:10pm some 30 hours later. The only employee that helped us had worked for Continental 25 years and did get us a refund but still nothing from the airlines themselves. I had filed a complaint on the website but have heard nothing to this date. That was the first and last time I will fly United.

  209. Robert Avatar

    it seems the only thing worse than United breaking guitars is losing kids…

  210. Robert Avatar

    it seems the only thing worse than United breaking guitars is losing kids…

  211. Robert Avatar

    it seems the only thing worse than United breaking guitars is losing kids…

  212. Robert Avatar

    it seems the only thing worse than United breaking guitars is losing kids…

  213. Robert Avatar

    it seems the only thing worse than United breaking guitars is losing kids…

  214. Robert Avatar

    it seems the only thing worse than United breaking guitars is losing kids…

  215. Robert Avatar

    it seems the only thing worse than United breaking guitars is losing kids…

  216. Robert Avatar

    it seems the only thing worse than United breaking guitars is losing kids…

  217. Ridsel Avatar

    I don’t wish to defend United at all, but I do wish to suggest that we (the flying public) are part of the reason that their employees are so disengaged. I regularly see passengers yelling and screaming at United employees when a flight is delayed, as if that employee can change anything. I’ve seen horrible abuse meted out when an unexpected overnight stay has been required, even as the employees were staying longer than they were getting paid for to process hotel vouchers.
    If we collectively treat United employees horribly and dehumanize them when they can’t do anything, we can hardly expect them to suddenly be human when they can.
    In short, the system gives them little to no options and management bears responsibility for that. However, it’s partly our horrible behavior that explains why United employees don’t leverage even the little power they do have.

  218. Ridsel Avatar

    I don’t wish to defend United at all, but I do wish to suggest that we (the flying public) are part of the reason that their employees are so disengaged. I regularly see passengers yelling and screaming at United employees when a flight is delayed, as if that employee can change anything. I’ve seen horrible abuse meted out when an unexpected overnight stay has been required, even as the employees were staying longer than they were getting paid for to process hotel vouchers.
    If we collectively treat United employees horribly and dehumanize them when they can’t do anything, we can hardly expect them to suddenly be human when they can.
    In short, the system gives them little to no options and management bears responsibility for that. However, it’s partly our horrible behavior that explains why United employees don’t leverage even the little power they do have.

  219. Ridsel Avatar

    I don’t wish to defend United at all, but I do wish to suggest that we (the flying public) are part of the reason that their employees are so disengaged. I regularly see passengers yelling and screaming at United employees when a flight is delayed, as if that employee can change anything. I’ve seen horrible abuse meted out when an unexpected overnight stay has been required, even as the employees were staying longer than they were getting paid for to process hotel vouchers.
    If we collectively treat United employees horribly and dehumanize them when they can’t do anything, we can hardly expect them to suddenly be human when they can.
    In short, the system gives them little to no options and management bears responsibility for that. However, it’s partly our horrible behavior that explains why United employees don’t leverage even the little power they do have.

  220. Ridsel Avatar

    I don’t wish to defend United at all, but I do wish to suggest that we (the flying public) are part of the reason that their employees are so disengaged. I regularly see passengers yelling and screaming at United employees when a flight is delayed, as if that employee can change anything. I’ve seen horrible abuse meted out when an unexpected overnight stay has been required, even as the employees were staying longer than they were getting paid for to process hotel vouchers.
    If we collectively treat United employees horribly and dehumanize them when they can’t do anything, we can hardly expect them to suddenly be human when they can.
    In short, the system gives them little to no options and management bears responsibility for that. However, it’s partly our horrible behavior that explains why United employees don’t leverage even the little power they do have.

  221. Ridsel Avatar

    I don’t wish to defend United at all, but I do wish to suggest that we (the flying public) are part of the reason that their employees are so disengaged. I regularly see passengers yelling and screaming at United employees when a flight is delayed, as if that employee can change anything. I’ve seen horrible abuse meted out when an unexpected overnight stay has been required, even as the employees were staying longer than they were getting paid for to process hotel vouchers.
    If we collectively treat United employees horribly and dehumanize them when they can’t do anything, we can hardly expect them to suddenly be human when they can.
    In short, the system gives them little to no options and management bears responsibility for that. However, it’s partly our horrible behavior that explains why United employees don’t leverage even the little power they do have.

  222. Ridsel Avatar

    I don’t wish to defend United at all, but I do wish to suggest that we (the flying public) are part of the reason that their employees are so disengaged. I regularly see passengers yelling and screaming at United employees when a flight is delayed, as if that employee can change anything. I’ve seen horrible abuse meted out when an unexpected overnight stay has been required, even as the employees were staying longer than they were getting paid for to process hotel vouchers.
    If we collectively treat United employees horribly and dehumanize them when they can’t do anything, we can hardly expect them to suddenly be human when they can.
    In short, the system gives them little to no options and management bears responsibility for that. However, it’s partly our horrible behavior that explains why United employees don’t leverage even the little power they do have.

  223. Ridsel Avatar

    I don’t wish to defend United at all, but I do wish to suggest that we (the flying public) are part of the reason that their employees are so disengaged. I regularly see passengers yelling and screaming at United employees when a flight is delayed, as if that employee can change anything. I’ve seen horrible abuse meted out when an unexpected overnight stay has been required, even as the employees were staying longer than they were getting paid for to process hotel vouchers.
    If we collectively treat United employees horribly and dehumanize them when they can’t do anything, we can hardly expect them to suddenly be human when they can.
    In short, the system gives them little to no options and management bears responsibility for that. However, it’s partly our horrible behavior that explains why United employees don’t leverage even the little power they do have.

  224. Ridsel Avatar

    I don’t wish to defend United at all, but I do wish to suggest that we (the flying public) are part of the reason that their employees are so disengaged. I regularly see passengers yelling and screaming at United employees when a flight is delayed, as if that employee can change anything. I’ve seen horrible abuse meted out when an unexpected overnight stay has been required, even as the employees were staying longer than they were getting paid for to process hotel vouchers.
    If we collectively treat United employees horribly and dehumanize them when they can’t do anything, we can hardly expect them to suddenly be human when they can.
    In short, the system gives them little to no options and management bears responsibility for that. However, it’s partly our horrible behavior that explains why United employees don’t leverage even the little power they do have.

  225. Motek42 Avatar

    I agree with the horribleness of the above article, and can’t even imagine if it was someone with a medical or other disability that had been lost! But I do not agree with the author saying things would have been better if it were Virgin America. They lost my luggage for 45 days and refused to pay me for it for a long time, since they said it has to be lost for more than 45 days (convenient timing?) to be considered lost. They returned my stuff covered in mold and some of it unusable (told me it had somehow gotten left on the tarmac out in the rain and then stored somewhere for the next month). Many, many hours were spent writing letters and trying to reach humans on the phone, whose responses were things like, “Why did you check any luggae? I never check my stuff.” There were worse things dfuring the whole experience, but it would take a book to write it. Bleh.

  226. Motek42 Avatar

    I agree with the horribleness of the above article, and can’t even imagine if it was someone with a medical or other disability that had been lost! But I do not agree with the author saying things would have been better if it were Virgin America. They lost my luggage for 45 days and refused to pay me for it for a long time, since they said it has to be lost for more than 45 days (convenient timing?) to be considered lost. They returned my stuff covered in mold and some of it unusable (told me it had somehow gotten left on the tarmac out in the rain and then stored somewhere for the next month). Many, many hours were spent writing letters and trying to reach humans on the phone, whose responses were things like, “Why did you check any luggae? I never check my stuff.” There were worse things dfuring the whole experience, but it would take a book to write it. Bleh.

  227. Motek42 Avatar

    I agree with the horribleness of the above article, and can’t even imagine if it was someone with a medical or other disability that had been lost! But I do not agree with the author saying things would have been better if it were Virgin America. They lost my luggage for 45 days and refused to pay me for it for a long time, since they said it has to be lost for more than 45 days (convenient timing?) to be considered lost. They returned my stuff covered in mold and some of it unusable (told me it had somehow gotten left on the tarmac out in the rain and then stored somewhere for the next month). Many, many hours were spent writing letters and trying to reach humans on the phone, whose responses were things like, “Why did you check any luggae? I never check my stuff.” There were worse things dfuring the whole experience, but it would take a book to write it. Bleh.

  228. Motek42 Avatar

    I agree with the horribleness of the above article, and can’t even imagine if it was someone with a medical or other disability that had been lost! But I do not agree with the author saying things would have been better if it were Virgin America. They lost my luggage for 45 days and refused to pay me for it for a long time, since they said it has to be lost for more than 45 days (convenient timing?) to be considered lost. They returned my stuff covered in mold and some of it unusable (told me it had somehow gotten left on the tarmac out in the rain and then stored somewhere for the next month). Many, many hours were spent writing letters and trying to reach humans on the phone, whose responses were things like, “Why did you check any luggae? I never check my stuff.” There were worse things dfuring the whole experience, but it would take a book to write it. Bleh.

  229. Motek42 Avatar

    I agree with the horribleness of the above article, and can’t even imagine if it was someone with a medical or other disability that had been lost! But I do not agree with the author saying things would have been better if it were Virgin America. They lost my luggage for 45 days and refused to pay me for it for a long time, since they said it has to be lost for more than 45 days (convenient timing?) to be considered lost. They returned my stuff covered in mold and some of it unusable (told me it had somehow gotten left on the tarmac out in the rain and then stored somewhere for the next month). Many, many hours were spent writing letters and trying to reach humans on the phone, whose responses were things like, “Why did you check any luggae? I never check my stuff.” There were worse things dfuring the whole experience, but it would take a book to write it. Bleh.

  230. Motek42 Avatar

    I agree with the horribleness of the above article, and can’t even imagine if it was someone with a medical or other disability that had been lost! But I do not agree with the author saying things would have been better if it were Virgin America. They lost my luggage for 45 days and refused to pay me for it for a long time, since they said it has to be lost for more than 45 days (convenient timing?) to be considered lost. They returned my stuff covered in mold and some of it unusable (told me it had somehow gotten left on the tarmac out in the rain and then stored somewhere for the next month). Many, many hours were spent writing letters and trying to reach humans on the phone, whose responses were things like, “Why did you check any luggae? I never check my stuff.” There were worse things dfuring the whole experience, but it would take a book to write it. Bleh.

  231. Motek42 Avatar

    I agree with the horribleness of the above article, and can’t even imagine if it was someone with a medical or other disability that had been lost! But I do not agree with the author saying things would have been better if it were Virgin America. They lost my luggage for 45 days and refused to pay me for it for a long time, since they said it has to be lost for more than 45 days (convenient timing?) to be considered lost. They returned my stuff covered in mold and some of it unusable (told me it had somehow gotten left on the tarmac out in the rain and then stored somewhere for the next month). Many, many hours were spent writing letters and trying to reach humans on the phone, whose responses were things like, “Why did you check any luggae? I never check my stuff.” There were worse things dfuring the whole experience, but it would take a book to write it. Bleh.

  232. Motek42 Avatar

    I agree with the horribleness of the above article, and can’t even imagine if it was someone with a medical or other disability that had been lost! But I do not agree with the author saying things would have been better if it were Virgin America. They lost my luggage for 45 days and refused to pay me for it for a long time, since they said it has to be lost for more than 45 days (convenient timing?) to be considered lost. They returned my stuff covered in mold and some of it unusable (told me it had somehow gotten left on the tarmac out in the rain and then stored somewhere for the next month). Many, many hours were spent writing letters and trying to reach humans on the phone, whose responses were things like, “Why did you check any luggae? I never check my stuff.” There were worse things dfuring the whole experience, but it would take a book to write it. Bleh.

  233. C0rtana Avatar

    If you want really fast customer no-service from United, make sure to talk about your experience on twitter. They’re @united. They keep a close watch on it because it’s too visible and hard to control if it gets out of hand.

  234. C0rtana Avatar

    If you want really fast customer no-service from United, make sure to talk about your experience on twitter. They’re @united. They keep a close watch on it because it’s too visible and hard to control if it gets out of hand.

  235. C0rtana Avatar

    If you want really fast customer no-service from United, make sure to talk about your experience on twitter. They’re @united. They keep a close watch on it because it’s too visible and hard to control if it gets out of hand.

  236. C0rtana Avatar

    If you want really fast customer no-service from United, make sure to talk about your experience on twitter. They’re @united. They keep a close watch on it because it’s too visible and hard to control if it gets out of hand.

  237. C0rtana Avatar

    If you want really fast customer no-service from United, make sure to talk about your experience on twitter. They’re @united. They keep a close watch on it because it’s too visible and hard to control if it gets out of hand.

  238. C0rtana Avatar

    If you want really fast customer no-service from United, make sure to talk about your experience on twitter. They’re @united. They keep a close watch on it because it’s too visible and hard to control if it gets out of hand.

  239. C0rtana Avatar

    If you want really fast customer no-service from United, make sure to talk about your experience on twitter. They’re @united. They keep a close watch on it because it’s too visible and hard to control if it gets out of hand.

  240. C0rtana Avatar

    If you want really fast customer no-service from United, make sure to talk about your experience on twitter. They’re @united. They keep a close watch on it because it’s too visible and hard to control if it gets out of hand.

  241. Steve Kartchner Avatar

    Compare this with an incident that happened at LAX and how South West delt with it: A father was running late and had to catch a flight to be with his daughter who was going to have to turn off life support for his young (8-10) grand child. He needed to be there to support his daughter in a very trying moment in her life. He explained the situation and asked to be let to the front of the line. TSA derided him saying “Dying grand child that’s a new one on me. Get back to the end of the line”. It was obvious that this man was very up set and some of the others passengers at the front of the line saw what happened and passed the info on. Once he was finally through security his flight was supposed to have taken off 10 minutes or so before. He was sure he had missed his flight but ran to his gate anyway. To his surprise the plane was still there and the South West employees were calling his name. He was asked if he was “can’t remember his name” and he said yes. The man said “your flight is on that plane and that plane is not going anywhere without me. I’m the pilot, and I’m not going anywhere without you. Relax, I’ll get you to where you need to be.”
    Common humanity of those at the front of the line and a Captain that took it upon himself to delay the plane.
    The reason companies have bad service is the work environment is such that employees are afraid to take anything upon themselves for fear of some repercussion. “Everything by the book”. CYA. Thus the lady was more than happy to help out as a understanding mother but paralyzed to in-action as an employee of the airline.

  242. Steve Kartchner Avatar

    Compare this with an incident that happened at LAX and how South West delt with it: A father was running late and had to catch a flight to be with his daughter who was going to have to turn off life support for his young (8-10) grand child. He needed to be there to support his daughter in a very trying moment in her life. He explained the situation and asked to be let to the front of the line. TSA derided him saying “Dying grand child that’s a new one on me. Get back to the end of the line”. It was obvious that this man was very up set and some of the others passengers at the front of the line saw what happened and passed the info on. Once he was finally through security his flight was supposed to have taken off 10 minutes or so before. He was sure he had missed his flight but ran to his gate anyway. To his surprise the plane was still there and the South West employees were calling his name. He was asked if he was “can’t remember his name” and he said yes. The man said “your flight is on that plane and that plane is not going anywhere without me. I’m the pilot, and I’m not going anywhere without you. Relax, I’ll get you to where you need to be.”
    Common humanity of those at the front of the line and a Captain that took it upon himself to delay the plane.
    The reason companies have bad service is the work environment is such that employees are afraid to take anything upon themselves for fear of some repercussion. “Everything by the book”. CYA. Thus the lady was more than happy to help out as a understanding mother but paralyzed to in-action as an employee of the airline.

  243. Steve Kartchner Avatar

    Compare this with an incident that happened at LAX and how South West delt with it: A father was running late and had to catch a flight to be with his daughter who was going to have to turn off life support for his young (8-10) grand child. He needed to be there to support his daughter in a very trying moment in her life. He explained the situation and asked to be let to the front of the line. TSA derided him saying “Dying grand child that’s a new one on me. Get back to the end of the line”. It was obvious that this man was very up set and some of the others passengers at the front of the line saw what happened and passed the info on. Once he was finally through security his flight was supposed to have taken off 10 minutes or so before. He was sure he had missed his flight but ran to his gate anyway. To his surprise the plane was still there and the South West employees were calling his name. He was asked if he was “can’t remember his name” and he said yes. The man said “your flight is on that plane and that plane is not going anywhere without me. I’m the pilot, and I’m not going anywhere without you. Relax, I’ll get you to where you need to be.”
    Common humanity of those at the front of the line and a Captain that took it upon himself to delay the plane.
    The reason companies have bad service is the work environment is such that employees are afraid to take anything upon themselves for fear of some repercussion. “Everything by the book”. CYA. Thus the lady was more than happy to help out as a understanding mother but paralyzed to in-action as an employee of the airline.

  244. Steve Kartchner Avatar

    Compare this with an incident that happened at LAX and how South West delt with it: A father was running late and had to catch a flight to be with his daughter who was going to have to turn off life support for his young (8-10) grand child. He needed to be there to support his daughter in a very trying moment in her life. He explained the situation and asked to be let to the front of the line. TSA derided him saying “Dying grand child that’s a new one on me. Get back to the end of the line”. It was obvious that this man was very up set and some of the others passengers at the front of the line saw what happened and passed the info on. Once he was finally through security his flight was supposed to have taken off 10 minutes or so before. He was sure he had missed his flight but ran to his gate anyway. To his surprise the plane was still there and the South West employees were calling his name. He was asked if he was “can’t remember his name” and he said yes. The man said “your flight is on that plane and that plane is not going anywhere without me. I’m the pilot, and I’m not going anywhere without you. Relax, I’ll get you to where you need to be.”
    Common humanity of those at the front of the line and a Captain that took it upon himself to delay the plane.
    The reason companies have bad service is the work environment is such that employees are afraid to take anything upon themselves for fear of some repercussion. “Everything by the book”. CYA. Thus the lady was more than happy to help out as a understanding mother but paralyzed to in-action as an employee of the airline.

  245. Steve Kartchner Avatar

    Compare this with an incident that happened at LAX and how South West delt with it: A father was running late and had to catch a flight to be with his daughter who was going to have to turn off life support for his young (8-10) grand child. He needed to be there to support his daughter in a very trying moment in her life. He explained the situation and asked to be let to the front of the line. TSA derided him saying “Dying grand child that’s a new one on me. Get back to the end of the line”. It was obvious that this man was very up set and some of the others passengers at the front of the line saw what happened and passed the info on. Once he was finally through security his flight was supposed to have taken off 10 minutes or so before. He was sure he had missed his flight but ran to his gate anyway. To his surprise the plane was still there and the South West employees were calling his name. He was asked if he was “can’t remember his name” and he said yes. The man said “your flight is on that plane and that plane is not going anywhere without me. I’m the pilot, and I’m not going anywhere without you. Relax, I’ll get you to where you need to be.”
    Common humanity of those at the front of the line and a Captain that took it upon himself to delay the plane.
    The reason companies have bad service is the work environment is such that employees are afraid to take anything upon themselves for fear of some repercussion. “Everything by the book”. CYA. Thus the lady was more than happy to help out as a understanding mother but paralyzed to in-action as an employee of the airline.

  246. Steve Kartchner Avatar

    Compare this with an incident that happened at LAX and how South West delt with it: A father was running late and had to catch a flight to be with his daughter who was going to have to turn off life support for his young (8-10) grand child. He needed to be there to support his daughter in a very trying moment in her life. He explained the situation and asked to be let to the front of the line. TSA derided him saying “Dying grand child that’s a new one on me. Get back to the end of the line”. It was obvious that this man was very up set and some of the others passengers at the front of the line saw what happened and passed the info on. Once he was finally through security his flight was supposed to have taken off 10 minutes or so before. He was sure he had missed his flight but ran to his gate anyway. To his surprise the plane was still there and the South West employees were calling his name. He was asked if he was “can’t remember his name” and he said yes. The man said “your flight is on that plane and that plane is not going anywhere without me. I’m the pilot, and I’m not going anywhere without you. Relax, I’ll get you to where you need to be.”
    Common humanity of those at the front of the line and a Captain that took it upon himself to delay the plane.
    The reason companies have bad service is the work environment is such that employees are afraid to take anything upon themselves for fear of some repercussion. “Everything by the book”. CYA. Thus the lady was more than happy to help out as a understanding mother but paralyzed to in-action as an employee of the airline.

  247. Steve Kartchner Avatar

    Compare this with an incident that happened at LAX and how South West delt with it: A father was running late and had to catch a flight to be with his daughter who was going to have to turn off life support for his young (8-10) grand child. He needed to be there to support his daughter in a very trying moment in her life. He explained the situation and asked to be let to the front of the line. TSA derided him saying “Dying grand child that’s a new one on me. Get back to the end of the line”. It was obvious that this man was very up set and some of the others passengers at the front of the line saw what happened and passed the info on. Once he was finally through security his flight was supposed to have taken off 10 minutes or so before. He was sure he had missed his flight but ran to his gate anyway. To his surprise the plane was still there and the South West employees were calling his name. He was asked if he was “can’t remember his name” and he said yes. The man said “your flight is on that plane and that plane is not going anywhere without me. I’m the pilot, and I’m not going anywhere without you. Relax, I’ll get you to where you need to be.”
    Common humanity of those at the front of the line and a Captain that took it upon himself to delay the plane.
    The reason companies have bad service is the work environment is such that employees are afraid to take anything upon themselves for fear of some repercussion. “Everything by the book”. CYA. Thus the lady was more than happy to help out as a understanding mother but paralyzed to in-action as an employee of the airline.

  248. Steve Kartchner Avatar

    Compare this with an incident that happened at LAX and how South West delt with it: A father was running late and had to catch a flight to be with his daughter who was going to have to turn off life support for his young (8-10) grand child. He needed to be there to support his daughter in a very trying moment in her life. He explained the situation and asked to be let to the front of the line. TSA derided him saying “Dying grand child that’s a new one on me. Get back to the end of the line”. It was obvious that this man was very up set and some of the others passengers at the front of the line saw what happened and passed the info on. Once he was finally through security his flight was supposed to have taken off 10 minutes or so before. He was sure he had missed his flight but ran to his gate anyway. To his surprise the plane was still there and the South West employees were calling his name. He was asked if he was “can’t remember his name” and he said yes. The man said “your flight is on that plane and that plane is not going anywhere without me. I’m the pilot, and I’m not going anywhere without you. Relax, I’ll get you to where you need to be.”
    Common humanity of those at the front of the line and a Captain that took it upon himself to delay the plane.
    The reason companies have bad service is the work environment is such that employees are afraid to take anything upon themselves for fear of some repercussion. “Everything by the book”. CYA. Thus the lady was more than happy to help out as a understanding mother but paralyzed to in-action as an employee of the airline.

  249. Joan Nova Avatar

    They are the worst. I just wrote about how they (and Jet Blue) ruined a group getaway to Quebec – and couldn’t care less. And to your point in the last paragraph, see the difference in treatment between United and Jet Blue (who incidentally issued $75 credit).
    http://foodalogue.com/2012/07/an-open-letter-and-photos-to-united-airlines-jet-blue-and-newark-airport.html

  250. Joan Nova Avatar

    They are the worst. I just wrote about how they (and Jet Blue) ruined a group getaway to Quebec – and couldn’t care less. And to your point in the last paragraph, see the difference in treatment between United and Jet Blue (who incidentally issued $75 credit).
    http://foodalogue.com/2012/07/an-open-letter-and-photos-to-united-airlines-jet-blue-and-newark-airport.html

  251. Joan Nova Avatar

    They are the worst. I just wrote about how they (and Jet Blue) ruined a group getaway to Quebec – and couldn’t care less. And to your point in the last paragraph, see the difference in treatment between United and Jet Blue (who incidentally issued $75 credit).
    http://foodalogue.com/2012/07/an-open-letter-and-photos-to-united-airlines-jet-blue-and-newark-airport.html

  252. Joan Nova Avatar

    They are the worst. I just wrote about how they (and Jet Blue) ruined a group getaway to Quebec – and couldn’t care less. And to your point in the last paragraph, see the difference in treatment between United and Jet Blue (who incidentally issued $75 credit).
    http://foodalogue.com/2012/07/an-open-letter-and-photos-to-united-airlines-jet-blue-and-newark-airport.html

  253. Joan Nova Avatar

    They are the worst. I just wrote about how they (and Jet Blue) ruined a group getaway to Quebec – and couldn’t care less. And to your point in the last paragraph, see the difference in treatment between United and Jet Blue (who incidentally issued $75 credit).
    http://foodalogue.com/2012/07/an-open-letter-and-photos-to-united-airlines-jet-blue-and-newark-airport.html

  254. Joan Nova Avatar

    They are the worst. I just wrote about how they (and Jet Blue) ruined a group getaway to Quebec – and couldn’t care less. And to your point in the last paragraph, see the difference in treatment between United and Jet Blue (who incidentally issued $75 credit).
    http://foodalogue.com/2012/07/an-open-letter-and-photos-to-united-airlines-jet-blue-and-newark-airport.html

  255. Joan Nova Avatar

    They are the worst. I just wrote about how they (and Jet Blue) ruined a group getaway to Quebec – and couldn’t care less. And to your point in the last paragraph, see the difference in treatment between United and Jet Blue (who incidentally issued $75 credit).
    http://foodalogue.com/2012/07/an-open-letter-and-photos-to-united-airlines-jet-blue-and-newark-airport.html

  256. Joan Nova Avatar

    They are the worst. I just wrote about how they (and Jet Blue) ruined a group getaway to Quebec – and couldn’t care less. And to your point in the last paragraph, see the difference in treatment between United and Jet Blue (who incidentally issued $75 credit).
    http://foodalogue.com/2012/07/an-open-letter-and-photos-to-united-airlines-jet-blue-and-newark-airport.html

  257. Fontaine Fleetline Avatar

    This lack of customer service incident is a perfect example of the reasons that United Airlines has this complaint website about it:
    http://www.untied.com/

  258. Fontaine Fleetline Avatar

    This lack of customer service incident is a perfect example of the reasons that United Airlines has this complaint website about it:
    http://www.untied.com/

  259. Fontaine Fleetline Avatar

    This lack of customer service incident is a perfect example of the reasons that United Airlines has this complaint website about it:
    http://www.untied.com/

  260. Fontaine Fleetline Avatar

    This lack of customer service incident is a perfect example of the reasons that United Airlines has this complaint website about it:
    http://www.untied.com/

  261. Fontaine Fleetline Avatar

    This lack of customer service incident is a perfect example of the reasons that United Airlines has this complaint website about it:
    http://www.untied.com/

  262. Fontaine Fleetline Avatar

    This lack of customer service incident is a perfect example of the reasons that United Airlines has this complaint website about it:
    http://www.untied.com/

  263. Fontaine Fleetline Avatar

    This lack of customer service incident is a perfect example of the reasons that United Airlines has this complaint website about it:
    http://www.untied.com/

  264. Fontaine Fleetline Avatar

    This lack of customer service incident is a perfect example of the reasons that United Airlines has this complaint website about it:
    http://www.untied.com/

  265. Crl4lunch Avatar

    This goes back a few years, but I’m sad to hear that nothing has changed-attitude-wise at United. I arrived at Rome airport with my pre-printed itinerary (seat assignment included). I was told they didn’t have my reservation. After much cajoling, they checked further and said “We have you reserved from Dulles to San Francisco.”
    “Uh…but I’m in Rome”
    “Sorry there’s nothing we can do”
    I went to Lufthansa, a Star Alliance partner, and they jumped thru hoops to get me rebooked, in Biz Class (as I was reserved on UAL). I had to pay a $275 booking fee (after all, it wasn’t their original ticket), and they said that United should reimburse me the fee.
    Long story shorter, I got a $75 voucher, that had many limitations on it. After many eMails and conversations, I wrote letters to the top 4 executives at United in Illinois. NEVER RECEIVED EVEN ONE SHORT RESPONSE ACKNOWLEDGING MY LETTERS.
    As with some others, I was a long-term, frequent flyer with United (PanAm was much better…what a shame). After using up my FF miles, I haven’t flown United since…even when it would have been more convenient. American Airlines isn’t perfect, but there seems to be a better attitude on the part of their people.

  266. Crl4lunch Avatar

    This goes back a few years, but I’m sad to hear that nothing has changed-attitude-wise at United. I arrived at Rome airport with my pre-printed itinerary (seat assignment included). I was told they didn’t have my reservation. After much cajoling, they checked further and said “We have you reserved from Dulles to San Francisco.”
    “Uh…but I’m in Rome”
    “Sorry there’s nothing we can do”
    I went to Lufthansa, a Star Alliance partner, and they jumped thru hoops to get me rebooked, in Biz Class (as I was reserved on UAL). I had to pay a $275 booking fee (after all, it wasn’t their original ticket), and they said that United should reimburse me the fee.
    Long story shorter, I got a $75 voucher, that had many limitations on it. After many eMails and conversations, I wrote letters to the top 4 executives at United in Illinois. NEVER RECEIVED EVEN ONE SHORT RESPONSE ACKNOWLEDGING MY LETTERS.
    As with some others, I was a long-term, frequent flyer with United (PanAm was much better…what a shame). After using up my FF miles, I haven’t flown United since…even when it would have been more convenient. American Airlines isn’t perfect, but there seems to be a better attitude on the part of their people.

  267. Crl4lunch Avatar

    This goes back a few years, but I’m sad to hear that nothing has changed-attitude-wise at United. I arrived at Rome airport with my pre-printed itinerary (seat assignment included). I was told they didn’t have my reservation. After much cajoling, they checked further and said “We have you reserved from Dulles to San Francisco.”
    “Uh…but I’m in Rome”
    “Sorry there’s nothing we can do”
    I went to Lufthansa, a Star Alliance partner, and they jumped thru hoops to get me rebooked, in Biz Class (as I was reserved on UAL). I had to pay a $275 booking fee (after all, it wasn’t their original ticket), and they said that United should reimburse me the fee.
    Long story shorter, I got a $75 voucher, that had many limitations on it. After many eMails and conversations, I wrote letters to the top 4 executives at United in Illinois. NEVER RECEIVED EVEN ONE SHORT RESPONSE ACKNOWLEDGING MY LETTERS.
    As with some others, I was a long-term, frequent flyer with United (PanAm was much better…what a shame). After using up my FF miles, I haven’t flown United since…even when it would have been more convenient. American Airlines isn’t perfect, but there seems to be a better attitude on the part of their people.

  268. Crl4lunch Avatar

    This goes back a few years, but I’m sad to hear that nothing has changed-attitude-wise at United. I arrived at Rome airport with my pre-printed itinerary (seat assignment included). I was told they didn’t have my reservation. After much cajoling, they checked further and said “We have you reserved from Dulles to San Francisco.”
    “Uh…but I’m in Rome”
    “Sorry there’s nothing we can do”
    I went to Lufthansa, a Star Alliance partner, and they jumped thru hoops to get me rebooked, in Biz Class (as I was reserved on UAL). I had to pay a $275 booking fee (after all, it wasn’t their original ticket), and they said that United should reimburse me the fee.
    Long story shorter, I got a $75 voucher, that had many limitations on it. After many eMails and conversations, I wrote letters to the top 4 executives at United in Illinois. NEVER RECEIVED EVEN ONE SHORT RESPONSE ACKNOWLEDGING MY LETTERS.
    As with some others, I was a long-term, frequent flyer with United (PanAm was much better…what a shame). After using up my FF miles, I haven’t flown United since…even when it would have been more convenient. American Airlines isn’t perfect, but there seems to be a better attitude on the part of their people.

  269. Crl4lunch Avatar

    This goes back a few years, but I’m sad to hear that nothing has changed-attitude-wise at United. I arrived at Rome airport with my pre-printed itinerary (seat assignment included). I was told they didn’t have my reservation. After much cajoling, they checked further and said “We have you reserved from Dulles to San Francisco.”
    “Uh…but I’m in Rome”
    “Sorry there’s nothing we can do”
    I went to Lufthansa, a Star Alliance partner, and they jumped thru hoops to get me rebooked, in Biz Class (as I was reserved on UAL). I had to pay a $275 booking fee (after all, it wasn’t their original ticket), and they said that United should reimburse me the fee.
    Long story shorter, I got a $75 voucher, that had many limitations on it. After many eMails and conversations, I wrote letters to the top 4 executives at United in Illinois. NEVER RECEIVED EVEN ONE SHORT RESPONSE ACKNOWLEDGING MY LETTERS.
    As with some others, I was a long-term, frequent flyer with United (PanAm was much better…what a shame). After using up my FF miles, I haven’t flown United since…even when it would have been more convenient. American Airlines isn’t perfect, but there seems to be a better attitude on the part of their people.

  270. Crl4lunch Avatar

    This goes back a few years, but I’m sad to hear that nothing has changed-attitude-wise at United. I arrived at Rome airport with my pre-printed itinerary (seat assignment included). I was told they didn’t have my reservation. After much cajoling, they checked further and said “We have you reserved from Dulles to San Francisco.”
    “Uh…but I’m in Rome”
    “Sorry there’s nothing we can do”
    I went to Lufthansa, a Star Alliance partner, and they jumped thru hoops to get me rebooked, in Biz Class (as I was reserved on UAL). I had to pay a $275 booking fee (after all, it wasn’t their original ticket), and they said that United should reimburse me the fee.
    Long story shorter, I got a $75 voucher, that had many limitations on it. After many eMails and conversations, I wrote letters to the top 4 executives at United in Illinois. NEVER RECEIVED EVEN ONE SHORT RESPONSE ACKNOWLEDGING MY LETTERS.
    As with some others, I was a long-term, frequent flyer with United (PanAm was much better…what a shame). After using up my FF miles, I haven’t flown United since…even when it would have been more convenient. American Airlines isn’t perfect, but there seems to be a better attitude on the part of their people.

  271. Crl4lunch Avatar

    This goes back a few years, but I’m sad to hear that nothing has changed-attitude-wise at United. I arrived at Rome airport with my pre-printed itinerary (seat assignment included). I was told they didn’t have my reservation. After much cajoling, they checked further and said “We have you reserved from Dulles to San Francisco.”
    “Uh…but I’m in Rome”
    “Sorry there’s nothing we can do”
    I went to Lufthansa, a Star Alliance partner, and they jumped thru hoops to get me rebooked, in Biz Class (as I was reserved on UAL). I had to pay a $275 booking fee (after all, it wasn’t their original ticket), and they said that United should reimburse me the fee.
    Long story shorter, I got a $75 voucher, that had many limitations on it. After many eMails and conversations, I wrote letters to the top 4 executives at United in Illinois. NEVER RECEIVED EVEN ONE SHORT RESPONSE ACKNOWLEDGING MY LETTERS.
    As with some others, I was a long-term, frequent flyer with United (PanAm was much better…what a shame). After using up my FF miles, I haven’t flown United since…even when it would have been more convenient. American Airlines isn’t perfect, but there seems to be a better attitude on the part of their people.

  272. Crl4lunch Avatar

    This goes back a few years, but I’m sad to hear that nothing has changed-attitude-wise at United. I arrived at Rome airport with my pre-printed itinerary (seat assignment included). I was told they didn’t have my reservation. After much cajoling, they checked further and said “We have you reserved from Dulles to San Francisco.”
    “Uh…but I’m in Rome”
    “Sorry there’s nothing we can do”
    I went to Lufthansa, a Star Alliance partner, and they jumped thru hoops to get me rebooked, in Biz Class (as I was reserved on UAL). I had to pay a $275 booking fee (after all, it wasn’t their original ticket), and they said that United should reimburse me the fee.
    Long story shorter, I got a $75 voucher, that had many limitations on it. After many eMails and conversations, I wrote letters to the top 4 executives at United in Illinois. NEVER RECEIVED EVEN ONE SHORT RESPONSE ACKNOWLEDGING MY LETTERS.
    As with some others, I was a long-term, frequent flyer with United (PanAm was much better…what a shame). After using up my FF miles, I haven’t flown United since…even when it would have been more convenient. American Airlines isn’t perfect, but there seems to be a better attitude on the part of their people.

  273. Dnash16 Avatar

    I already knew about this story. My wife met one of the family members. My wife was in line to complain about our family being split up after our first flight. My wife, 7 year old and 4 year old were bumped off our connecting flight because it was oversold. So, they had to find another city to fly into. We took the overnight from LAX to Dulles. After arriving in DC, we discovered they had been bumped. My one year old and I were confirmed but they were out of luck. They split up a family in the middle of the trip. Someone please contact me at 310-291-4485 if they can help get anyone from United to call me back. Dave Nash

  274. Dnash16 Avatar

    I already knew about this story. My wife met one of the family members. My wife was in line to complain about our family being split up after our first flight. My wife, 7 year old and 4 year old were bumped off our connecting flight because it was oversold. So, they had to find another city to fly into. We took the overnight from LAX to Dulles. After arriving in DC, we discovered they had been bumped. My one year old and I were confirmed but they were out of luck. They split up a family in the middle of the trip. Someone please contact me at 310-291-4485 if they can help get anyone from United to call me back. Dave Nash

  275. Dnash16 Avatar

    I already knew about this story. My wife met one of the family members. My wife was in line to complain about our family being split up after our first flight. My wife, 7 year old and 4 year old were bumped off our connecting flight because it was oversold. So, they had to find another city to fly into. We took the overnight from LAX to Dulles. After arriving in DC, we discovered they had been bumped. My one year old and I were confirmed but they were out of luck. They split up a family in the middle of the trip. Someone please contact me at 310-291-4485 if they can help get anyone from United to call me back. Dave Nash

  276. Dnash16 Avatar

    I already knew about this story. My wife met one of the family members. My wife was in line to complain about our family being split up after our first flight. My wife, 7 year old and 4 year old were bumped off our connecting flight because it was oversold. So, they had to find another city to fly into. We took the overnight from LAX to Dulles. After arriving in DC, we discovered they had been bumped. My one year old and I were confirmed but they were out of luck. They split up a family in the middle of the trip. Someone please contact me at 310-291-4485 if they can help get anyone from United to call me back. Dave Nash

  277. Dnash16 Avatar

    I already knew about this story. My wife met one of the family members. My wife was in line to complain about our family being split up after our first flight. My wife, 7 year old and 4 year old were bumped off our connecting flight because it was oversold. So, they had to find another city to fly into. We took the overnight from LAX to Dulles. After arriving in DC, we discovered they had been bumped. My one year old and I were confirmed but they were out of luck. They split up a family in the middle of the trip. Someone please contact me at 310-291-4485 if they can help get anyone from United to call me back. Dave Nash

  278. Dnash16 Avatar

    I already knew about this story. My wife met one of the family members. My wife was in line to complain about our family being split up after our first flight. My wife, 7 year old and 4 year old were bumped off our connecting flight because it was oversold. So, they had to find another city to fly into. We took the overnight from LAX to Dulles. After arriving in DC, we discovered they had been bumped. My one year old and I were confirmed but they were out of luck. They split up a family in the middle of the trip. Someone please contact me at 310-291-4485 if they can help get anyone from United to call me back. Dave Nash

  279. Dnash16 Avatar

    I already knew about this story. My wife met one of the family members. My wife was in line to complain about our family being split up after our first flight. My wife, 7 year old and 4 year old were bumped off our connecting flight because it was oversold. So, they had to find another city to fly into. We took the overnight from LAX to Dulles. After arriving in DC, we discovered they had been bumped. My one year old and I were confirmed but they were out of luck. They split up a family in the middle of the trip. Someone please contact me at 310-291-4485 if they can help get anyone from United to call me back. Dave Nash

  280. Dnash16 Avatar

    I already knew about this story. My wife met one of the family members. My wife was in line to complain about our family being split up after our first flight. My wife, 7 year old and 4 year old were bumped off our connecting flight because it was oversold. So, they had to find another city to fly into. We took the overnight from LAX to Dulles. After arriving in DC, we discovered they had been bumped. My one year old and I were confirmed but they were out of luck. They split up a family in the middle of the trip. Someone please contact me at 310-291-4485 if they can help get anyone from United to call me back. Dave Nash

  281. Siorghra Avatar

    When I was freshly 14, I flew from Rochester to Boston alone to visit my Dad. United was supposed to escort me through the airports, but no one ever showed up. Luckily, I’d been flying regularly with my family since I was an infant and was a rather independent child, so I caught my flights on my own with no trouble. My parents were both pretty alarmed, though.

  282. Siorghra Avatar

    When I was freshly 14, I flew from Rochester to Boston alone to visit my Dad. United was supposed to escort me through the airports, but no one ever showed up. Luckily, I’d been flying regularly with my family since I was an infant and was a rather independent child, so I caught my flights on my own with no trouble. My parents were both pretty alarmed, though.

  283. Siorghra Avatar

    When I was freshly 14, I flew from Rochester to Boston alone to visit my Dad. United was supposed to escort me through the airports, but no one ever showed up. Luckily, I’d been flying regularly with my family since I was an infant and was a rather independent child, so I caught my flights on my own with no trouble. My parents were both pretty alarmed, though.

  284. Siorghra Avatar

    When I was freshly 14, I flew from Rochester to Boston alone to visit my Dad. United was supposed to escort me through the airports, but no one ever showed up. Luckily, I’d been flying regularly with my family since I was an infant and was a rather independent child, so I caught my flights on my own with no trouble. My parents were both pretty alarmed, though.

  285. Siorghra Avatar

    When I was freshly 14, I flew from Rochester to Boston alone to visit my Dad. United was supposed to escort me through the airports, but no one ever showed up. Luckily, I’d been flying regularly with my family since I was an infant and was a rather independent child, so I caught my flights on my own with no trouble. My parents were both pretty alarmed, though.

  286. Siorghra Avatar

    When I was freshly 14, I flew from Rochester to Boston alone to visit my Dad. United was supposed to escort me through the airports, but no one ever showed up. Luckily, I’d been flying regularly with my family since I was an infant and was a rather independent child, so I caught my flights on my own with no trouble. My parents were both pretty alarmed, though.

  287. Siorghra Avatar

    When I was freshly 14, I flew from Rochester to Boston alone to visit my Dad. United was supposed to escort me through the airports, but no one ever showed up. Luckily, I’d been flying regularly with my family since I was an infant and was a rather independent child, so I caught my flights on my own with no trouble. My parents were both pretty alarmed, though.

  288. Siorghra Avatar

    When I was freshly 14, I flew from Rochester to Boston alone to visit my Dad. United was supposed to escort me through the airports, but no one ever showed up. Luckily, I’d been flying regularly with my family since I was an infant and was a rather independent child, so I caught my flights on my own with no trouble. My parents were both pretty alarmed, though.

  289. Ce Avatar

    I have two complaints about United. First they devalued their frequent flier miles by doubling the miles required for travel unless you were fortunate enough to catch flight with the “economy” miles. Second, on a trip to Aspen, Colorado it was too stormy to land in Aspen so the plane was diverted to Denver. They used to offer bus service in such a situation to get people to Aspen. The last time I went they just told us that we could wait a day or two standby and hope for a seat or instead we could rent a car and get ourselves to Aspen. Absolutely no help.
    I would never fly United unless I absolutely had to.

  290. Ce Avatar

    I have two complaints about United. First they devalued their frequent flier miles by doubling the miles required for travel unless you were fortunate enough to catch flight with the “economy” miles. Second, on a trip to Aspen, Colorado it was too stormy to land in Aspen so the plane was diverted to Denver. They used to offer bus service in such a situation to get people to Aspen. The last time I went they just told us that we could wait a day or two standby and hope for a seat or instead we could rent a car and get ourselves to Aspen. Absolutely no help.
    I would never fly United unless I absolutely had to.

  291. Ce Avatar

    I have two complaints about United. First they devalued their frequent flier miles by doubling the miles required for travel unless you were fortunate enough to catch flight with the “economy” miles. Second, on a trip to Aspen, Colorado it was too stormy to land in Aspen so the plane was diverted to Denver. They used to offer bus service in such a situation to get people to Aspen. The last time I went they just told us that we could wait a day or two standby and hope for a seat or instead we could rent a car and get ourselves to Aspen. Absolutely no help.
    I would never fly United unless I absolutely had to.

  292. Ce Avatar

    I have two complaints about United. First they devalued their frequent flier miles by doubling the miles required for travel unless you were fortunate enough to catch flight with the “economy” miles. Second, on a trip to Aspen, Colorado it was too stormy to land in Aspen so the plane was diverted to Denver. They used to offer bus service in such a situation to get people to Aspen. The last time I went they just told us that we could wait a day or two standby and hope for a seat or instead we could rent a car and get ourselves to Aspen. Absolutely no help.
    I would never fly United unless I absolutely had to.

  293. Ce Avatar

    I have two complaints about United. First they devalued their frequent flier miles by doubling the miles required for travel unless you were fortunate enough to catch flight with the “economy” miles. Second, on a trip to Aspen, Colorado it was too stormy to land in Aspen so the plane was diverted to Denver. They used to offer bus service in such a situation to get people to Aspen. The last time I went they just told us that we could wait a day or two standby and hope for a seat or instead we could rent a car and get ourselves to Aspen. Absolutely no help.
    I would never fly United unless I absolutely had to.

  294. Ce Avatar

    I have two complaints about United. First they devalued their frequent flier miles by doubling the miles required for travel unless you were fortunate enough to catch flight with the “economy” miles. Second, on a trip to Aspen, Colorado it was too stormy to land in Aspen so the plane was diverted to Denver. They used to offer bus service in such a situation to get people to Aspen. The last time I went they just told us that we could wait a day or two standby and hope for a seat or instead we could rent a car and get ourselves to Aspen. Absolutely no help.
    I would never fly United unless I absolutely had to.

  295. Ce Avatar

    I have two complaints about United. First they devalued their frequent flier miles by doubling the miles required for travel unless you were fortunate enough to catch flight with the “economy” miles. Second, on a trip to Aspen, Colorado it was too stormy to land in Aspen so the plane was diverted to Denver. They used to offer bus service in such a situation to get people to Aspen. The last time I went they just told us that we could wait a day or two standby and hope for a seat or instead we could rent a car and get ourselves to Aspen. Absolutely no help.
    I would never fly United unless I absolutely had to.

  296. Ce Avatar

    I have two complaints about United. First they devalued their frequent flier miles by doubling the miles required for travel unless you were fortunate enough to catch flight with the “economy” miles. Second, on a trip to Aspen, Colorado it was too stormy to land in Aspen so the plane was diverted to Denver. They used to offer bus service in such a situation to get people to Aspen. The last time I went they just told us that we could wait a day or two standby and hope for a seat or instead we could rent a car and get ourselves to Aspen. Absolutely no help.
    I would never fly United unless I absolutely had to.

  297. Amitac65 Avatar

    I’m sorry to hear of your horrific experience with United. I am a disabled person and had the misfortune to travel with them from SF to Sydney some time ago. Everything went wrong from the time I checked in at SF until to my arrival at Sydney. To add insult to injury, the flight attendant refused to carry my hand baggage to the wheel chair as it was an OH&S issue for her to carry my 5 kg hand baggage!!! I complained and got a $200 voucher to be used on my next trip with them. Do they seriously think that I will ever travel with them? I never will and I have made sure none of my friends or family will every use this airline.

  298. Amitac65 Avatar

    I’m sorry to hear of your horrific experience with United. I am a disabled person and had the misfortune to travel with them from SF to Sydney some time ago. Everything went wrong from the time I checked in at SF until to my arrival at Sydney. To add insult to injury, the flight attendant refused to carry my hand baggage to the wheel chair as it was an OH&S issue for her to carry my 5 kg hand baggage!!! I complained and got a $200 voucher to be used on my next trip with them. Do they seriously think that I will ever travel with them? I never will and I have made sure none of my friends or family will every use this airline.

  299. Amitac65 Avatar

    I’m sorry to hear of your horrific experience with United. I am a disabled person and had the misfortune to travel with them from SF to Sydney some time ago. Everything went wrong from the time I checked in at SF until to my arrival at Sydney. To add insult to injury, the flight attendant refused to carry my hand baggage to the wheel chair as it was an OH&S issue for her to carry my 5 kg hand baggage!!! I complained and got a $200 voucher to be used on my next trip with them. Do they seriously think that I will ever travel with them? I never will and I have made sure none of my friends or family will every use this airline.

  300. Amitac65 Avatar

    I’m sorry to hear of your horrific experience with United. I am a disabled person and had the misfortune to travel with them from SF to Sydney some time ago. Everything went wrong from the time I checked in at SF until to my arrival at Sydney. To add insult to injury, the flight attendant refused to carry my hand baggage to the wheel chair as it was an OH&S issue for her to carry my 5 kg hand baggage!!! I complained and got a $200 voucher to be used on my next trip with them. Do they seriously think that I will ever travel with them? I never will and I have made sure none of my friends or family will every use this airline.

  301. Amitac65 Avatar

    I’m sorry to hear of your horrific experience with United. I am a disabled person and had the misfortune to travel with them from SF to Sydney some time ago. Everything went wrong from the time I checked in at SF until to my arrival at Sydney. To add insult to injury, the flight attendant refused to carry my hand baggage to the wheel chair as it was an OH&S issue for her to carry my 5 kg hand baggage!!! I complained and got a $200 voucher to be used on my next trip with them. Do they seriously think that I will ever travel with them? I never will and I have made sure none of my friends or family will every use this airline.

  302. Amitac65 Avatar

    I’m sorry to hear of your horrific experience with United. I am a disabled person and had the misfortune to travel with them from SF to Sydney some time ago. Everything went wrong from the time I checked in at SF until to my arrival at Sydney. To add insult to injury, the flight attendant refused to carry my hand baggage to the wheel chair as it was an OH&S issue for her to carry my 5 kg hand baggage!!! I complained and got a $200 voucher to be used on my next trip with them. Do they seriously think that I will ever travel with them? I never will and I have made sure none of my friends or family will every use this airline.

  303. Amitac65 Avatar

    I’m sorry to hear of your horrific experience with United. I am a disabled person and had the misfortune to travel with them from SF to Sydney some time ago. Everything went wrong from the time I checked in at SF until to my arrival at Sydney. To add insult to injury, the flight attendant refused to carry my hand baggage to the wheel chair as it was an OH&S issue for her to carry my 5 kg hand baggage!!! I complained and got a $200 voucher to be used on my next trip with them. Do they seriously think that I will ever travel with them? I never will and I have made sure none of my friends or family will every use this airline.

  304. Amitac65 Avatar

    I’m sorry to hear of your horrific experience with United. I am a disabled person and had the misfortune to travel with them from SF to Sydney some time ago. Everything went wrong from the time I checked in at SF until to my arrival at Sydney. To add insult to injury, the flight attendant refused to carry my hand baggage to the wheel chair as it was an OH&S issue for her to carry my 5 kg hand baggage!!! I complained and got a $200 voucher to be used on my next trip with them. Do they seriously think that I will ever travel with them? I never will and I have made sure none of my friends or family will every use this airline.

  305. Elaine_marino Avatar

    Unfortunately the Klebahn’s story does not surprise me at all. In early July I had a horrific experience with United (canceled flight due to mechanical issues), that was only made worse by each and every employee I encountered. After a few days of trying to get where I was going, and countless unhelpful employees, I realized that the United Airlines culture is built on apathy. I applaud this blog post and the author for using United as an example of the exact opposite of “felt accountability.” When you encounter 10 employees and ALL of them, at every level and job, are apathetic and powerless, it’s a culture problem. Wake up United Corporate!

  306. Elaine_marino Avatar

    Unfortunately the Klebahn’s story does not surprise me at all. In early July I had a horrific experience with United (canceled flight due to mechanical issues), that was only made worse by each and every employee I encountered. After a few days of trying to get where I was going, and countless unhelpful employees, I realized that the United Airlines culture is built on apathy. I applaud this blog post and the author for using United as an example of the exact opposite of “felt accountability.” When you encounter 10 employees and ALL of them, at every level and job, are apathetic and powerless, it’s a culture problem. Wake up United Corporate!

  307. Elaine_marino Avatar

    Unfortunately the Klebahn’s story does not surprise me at all. In early July I had a horrific experience with United (canceled flight due to mechanical issues), that was only made worse by each and every employee I encountered. After a few days of trying to get where I was going, and countless unhelpful employees, I realized that the United Airlines culture is built on apathy. I applaud this blog post and the author for using United as an example of the exact opposite of “felt accountability.” When you encounter 10 employees and ALL of them, at every level and job, are apathetic and powerless, it’s a culture problem. Wake up United Corporate!

  308. Elaine_marino Avatar

    Unfortunately the Klebahn’s story does not surprise me at all. In early July I had a horrific experience with United (canceled flight due to mechanical issues), that was only made worse by each and every employee I encountered. After a few days of trying to get where I was going, and countless unhelpful employees, I realized that the United Airlines culture is built on apathy. I applaud this blog post and the author for using United as an example of the exact opposite of “felt accountability.” When you encounter 10 employees and ALL of them, at every level and job, are apathetic and powerless, it’s a culture problem. Wake up United Corporate!

  309. Elaine_marino Avatar

    Unfortunately the Klebahn’s story does not surprise me at all. In early July I had a horrific experience with United (canceled flight due to mechanical issues), that was only made worse by each and every employee I encountered. After a few days of trying to get where I was going, and countless unhelpful employees, I realized that the United Airlines culture is built on apathy. I applaud this blog post and the author for using United as an example of the exact opposite of “felt accountability.” When you encounter 10 employees and ALL of them, at every level and job, are apathetic and powerless, it’s a culture problem. Wake up United Corporate!

  310. Elaine_marino Avatar

    Unfortunately the Klebahn’s story does not surprise me at all. In early July I had a horrific experience with United (canceled flight due to mechanical issues), that was only made worse by each and every employee I encountered. After a few days of trying to get where I was going, and countless unhelpful employees, I realized that the United Airlines culture is built on apathy. I applaud this blog post and the author for using United as an example of the exact opposite of “felt accountability.” When you encounter 10 employees and ALL of them, at every level and job, are apathetic and powerless, it’s a culture problem. Wake up United Corporate!

  311. Elaine_marino Avatar

    Unfortunately the Klebahn’s story does not surprise me at all. In early July I had a horrific experience with United (canceled flight due to mechanical issues), that was only made worse by each and every employee I encountered. After a few days of trying to get where I was going, and countless unhelpful employees, I realized that the United Airlines culture is built on apathy. I applaud this blog post and the author for using United as an example of the exact opposite of “felt accountability.” When you encounter 10 employees and ALL of them, at every level and job, are apathetic and powerless, it’s a culture problem. Wake up United Corporate!

  312. Elaine_marino Avatar

    Unfortunately the Klebahn’s story does not surprise me at all. In early July I had a horrific experience with United (canceled flight due to mechanical issues), that was only made worse by each and every employee I encountered. After a few days of trying to get where I was going, and countless unhelpful employees, I realized that the United Airlines culture is built on apathy. I applaud this blog post and the author for using United as an example of the exact opposite of “felt accountability.” When you encounter 10 employees and ALL of them, at every level and job, are apathetic and powerless, it’s a culture problem. Wake up United Corporate!

  313. Duc Chess Avatar

    United has never cared about customer service. This was pre-merger, and my husband and I were flying to Japan from NYC. On our flight, they served dinner, but it had pork in both the entree as well as appetizer, which we don’t eat. When we explained the problem, we were told, “Sorry. We are out of fish.” There was nothing else to eat beyond the bread and salad. They refused to give us extra bread or anything else. Breakfast – eggs with ham. Again, no other option. Lunch – ham and cheese sandwiches. We landed in Tokyo starving with nothing to eat beyond three pieces of bread and a small bag of peanuts the entire time. The stewardesses didn’t try to help us out, and just told us, “Eat what we give you if you are hungry.” To this day, ten years later, we don’t fly United. We’ve paid extra for more expensive tickets on alternate airlines.

  314. Duc Chess Avatar

    United has never cared about customer service. This was pre-merger, and my husband and I were flying to Japan from NYC. On our flight, they served dinner, but it had pork in both the entree as well as appetizer, which we don’t eat. When we explained the problem, we were told, “Sorry. We are out of fish.” There was nothing else to eat beyond the bread and salad. They refused to give us extra bread or anything else. Breakfast – eggs with ham. Again, no other option. Lunch – ham and cheese sandwiches. We landed in Tokyo starving with nothing to eat beyond three pieces of bread and a small bag of peanuts the entire time. The stewardesses didn’t try to help us out, and just told us, “Eat what we give you if you are hungry.” To this day, ten years later, we don’t fly United. We’ve paid extra for more expensive tickets on alternate airlines.

  315. Duc Chess Avatar

    United has never cared about customer service. This was pre-merger, and my husband and I were flying to Japan from NYC. On our flight, they served dinner, but it had pork in both the entree as well as appetizer, which we don’t eat. When we explained the problem, we were told, “Sorry. We are out of fish.” There was nothing else to eat beyond the bread and salad. They refused to give us extra bread or anything else. Breakfast – eggs with ham. Again, no other option. Lunch – ham and cheese sandwiches. We landed in Tokyo starving with nothing to eat beyond three pieces of bread and a small bag of peanuts the entire time. The stewardesses didn’t try to help us out, and just told us, “Eat what we give you if you are hungry.” To this day, ten years later, we don’t fly United. We’ve paid extra for more expensive tickets on alternate airlines.

  316. Duc Chess Avatar

    United has never cared about customer service. This was pre-merger, and my husband and I were flying to Japan from NYC. On our flight, they served dinner, but it had pork in both the entree as well as appetizer, which we don’t eat. When we explained the problem, we were told, “Sorry. We are out of fish.” There was nothing else to eat beyond the bread and salad. They refused to give us extra bread or anything else. Breakfast – eggs with ham. Again, no other option. Lunch – ham and cheese sandwiches. We landed in Tokyo starving with nothing to eat beyond three pieces of bread and a small bag of peanuts the entire time. The stewardesses didn’t try to help us out, and just told us, “Eat what we give you if you are hungry.” To this day, ten years later, we don’t fly United. We’ve paid extra for more expensive tickets on alternate airlines.

  317. Duc Chess Avatar

    United has never cared about customer service. This was pre-merger, and my husband and I were flying to Japan from NYC. On our flight, they served dinner, but it had pork in both the entree as well as appetizer, which we don’t eat. When we explained the problem, we were told, “Sorry. We are out of fish.” There was nothing else to eat beyond the bread and salad. They refused to give us extra bread or anything else. Breakfast – eggs with ham. Again, no other option. Lunch – ham and cheese sandwiches. We landed in Tokyo starving with nothing to eat beyond three pieces of bread and a small bag of peanuts the entire time. The stewardesses didn’t try to help us out, and just told us, “Eat what we give you if you are hungry.” To this day, ten years later, we don’t fly United. We’ve paid extra for more expensive tickets on alternate airlines.

  318. Duc Chess Avatar

    United has never cared about customer service. This was pre-merger, and my husband and I were flying to Japan from NYC. On our flight, they served dinner, but it had pork in both the entree as well as appetizer, which we don’t eat. When we explained the problem, we were told, “Sorry. We are out of fish.” There was nothing else to eat beyond the bread and salad. They refused to give us extra bread or anything else. Breakfast – eggs with ham. Again, no other option. Lunch – ham and cheese sandwiches. We landed in Tokyo starving with nothing to eat beyond three pieces of bread and a small bag of peanuts the entire time. The stewardesses didn’t try to help us out, and just told us, “Eat what we give you if you are hungry.” To this day, ten years later, we don’t fly United. We’ve paid extra for more expensive tickets on alternate airlines.

  319. Duc Chess Avatar

    United has never cared about customer service. This was pre-merger, and my husband and I were flying to Japan from NYC. On our flight, they served dinner, but it had pork in both the entree as well as appetizer, which we don’t eat. When we explained the problem, we were told, “Sorry. We are out of fish.” There was nothing else to eat beyond the bread and salad. They refused to give us extra bread or anything else. Breakfast – eggs with ham. Again, no other option. Lunch – ham and cheese sandwiches. We landed in Tokyo starving with nothing to eat beyond three pieces of bread and a small bag of peanuts the entire time. The stewardesses didn’t try to help us out, and just told us, “Eat what we give you if you are hungry.” To this day, ten years later, we don’t fly United. We’ve paid extra for more expensive tickets on alternate airlines.

  320. Duc Chess Avatar

    United has never cared about customer service. This was pre-merger, and my husband and I were flying to Japan from NYC. On our flight, they served dinner, but it had pork in both the entree as well as appetizer, which we don’t eat. When we explained the problem, we were told, “Sorry. We are out of fish.” There was nothing else to eat beyond the bread and salad. They refused to give us extra bread or anything else. Breakfast – eggs with ham. Again, no other option. Lunch – ham and cheese sandwiches. We landed in Tokyo starving with nothing to eat beyond three pieces of bread and a small bag of peanuts the entire time. The stewardesses didn’t try to help us out, and just told us, “Eat what we give you if you are hungry.” To this day, ten years later, we don’t fly United. We’ve paid extra for more expensive tickets on alternate airlines.

  321. Jessica Avatar

    I appreciate your insight into the fundamental problems resulting in such poor service from United. I used to fly United a lot but after an experience with them last month, I will be avoiding them if at all possible. I will happily pay more to avoid them. My experience pales in comparison to a parent not being able track down their child, but my experience was horrid enough. I was flying east on short notice to help a friend with a medical emergency get to the hospital each day for a week. my flight was through Chicago. when i landed in Chicago and got to the gate for my next flight, i discovered the flight out had been canceled due to ‘weather on the east coast’. my destination was fine but United’s schedules were apparently affected by weather in other cities. I got on standby for the 9pm flight, which wound up flying out around midnight. Unfortunately I was 8th in the standby list and only one standby passenger made it on. I got myself set up for standby for the next morning’s flight. by the time I left the airport it was after 1am. I managed to get to a hotel and get 3 hrs of sleep before getting back to the airport to get in line for my standby. i was third in line for standby and only two were taken but whoever was second didn’t come when called so I got lucky. I got on the flight. I arrived a day late which put a big burden on my friend’s family but I got there and I helped out for a week. A week later, I went to the airport to head home. I arrived at the airport with 2 hrs to spare. I presented my confirmation code and was told “you’re not on this flight”. Huh? After a while they figured it out. “For some reason” when my flight out through Chicago got disrupted, the rest of my itinerary was canceled. I had NOT been notified. I double checked my emails. Nope. Nothing from United. I was told that all of United flights that day were oversold and that I shouldn’t even bother going on standby, there was absolutely no way they could get me home that day. I was going to have to get myself to a hotel, stay a night and go home the next day (my friends live in a rural area quite far from the airport so I couldn’t just go back to their home). I very nearly had a meltdown but didn’t think the person giving me this news deserved to be yelled at. It did bother me that this person had absolutely NO SYMPATHY for my situation. She offered NOTHING. No help, no assistance finding lodging etc, she just said “You can get on a flight tomorrow afternoon, that’s all I can offer you” and basically asked me to go away at that point. So I walked to the next counter, which was Jet Blue, and bought a flight home and came home that day with no additional issues. Once home, we then contacted United to attempt to arrange a refund. Since THEY CANCELED my flights, for no reason, without informing me, and put me in the position of having to purchase another flight to get home on time, I expected they would refund the cost of the flights THEY CANCELED. But their response? Those are “non-refundable tickets”, so they have refused my refund request.
    I will not be flying United again any time soon if I can at all help it. I do not expect that they will be able to undertake the cultural changes needed to actually become a “good” company. I can’t imagine that people in leadership positions at the company “care” about their customers. This is likely a problem all the way to the core of the business, and it’s a big company.

  322. Jessica Avatar

    I appreciate your insight into the fundamental problems resulting in such poor service from United. I used to fly United a lot but after an experience with them last month, I will be avoiding them if at all possible. I will happily pay more to avoid them. My experience pales in comparison to a parent not being able track down their child, but my experience was horrid enough. I was flying east on short notice to help a friend with a medical emergency get to the hospital each day for a week. my flight was through Chicago. when i landed in Chicago and got to the gate for my next flight, i discovered the flight out had been canceled due to ‘weather on the east coast’. my destination was fine but United’s schedules were apparently affected by weather in other cities. I got on standby for the 9pm flight, which wound up flying out around midnight. Unfortunately I was 8th in the standby list and only one standby passenger made it on. I got myself set up for standby for the next morning’s flight. by the time I left the airport it was after 1am. I managed to get to a hotel and get 3 hrs of sleep before getting back to the airport to get in line for my standby. i was third in line for standby and only two were taken but whoever was second didn’t come when called so I got lucky. I got on the flight. I arrived a day late which put a big burden on my friend’s family but I got there and I helped out for a week. A week later, I went to the airport to head home. I arrived at the airport with 2 hrs to spare. I presented my confirmation code and was told “you’re not on this flight”. Huh? After a while they figured it out. “For some reason” when my flight out through Chicago got disrupted, the rest of my itinerary was canceled. I had NOT been notified. I double checked my emails. Nope. Nothing from United. I was told that all of United flights that day were oversold and that I shouldn’t even bother going on standby, there was absolutely no way they could get me home that day. I was going to have to get myself to a hotel, stay a night and go home the next day (my friends live in a rural area quite far from the airport so I couldn’t just go back to their home). I very nearly had a meltdown but didn’t think the person giving me this news deserved to be yelled at. It did bother me that this person had absolutely NO SYMPATHY for my situation. She offered NOTHING. No help, no assistance finding lodging etc, she just said “You can get on a flight tomorrow afternoon, that’s all I can offer you” and basically asked me to go away at that point. So I walked to the next counter, which was Jet Blue, and bought a flight home and came home that day with no additional issues. Once home, we then contacted United to attempt to arrange a refund. Since THEY CANCELED my flights, for no reason, without informing me, and put me in the position of having to purchase another flight to get home on time, I expected they would refund the cost of the flights THEY CANCELED. But their response? Those are “non-refundable tickets”, so they have refused my refund request.
    I will not be flying United again any time soon if I can at all help it. I do not expect that they will be able to undertake the cultural changes needed to actually become a “good” company. I can’t imagine that people in leadership positions at the company “care” about their customers. This is likely a problem all the way to the core of the business, and it’s a big company.

  323. Jessica Avatar

    I appreciate your insight into the fundamental problems resulting in such poor service from United. I used to fly United a lot but after an experience with them last month, I will be avoiding them if at all possible. I will happily pay more to avoid them. My experience pales in comparison to a parent not being able track down their child, but my experience was horrid enough. I was flying east on short notice to help a friend with a medical emergency get to the hospital each day for a week. my flight was through Chicago. when i landed in Chicago and got to the gate for my next flight, i discovered the flight out had been canceled due to ‘weather on the east coast’. my destination was fine but United’s schedules were apparently affected by weather in other cities. I got on standby for the 9pm flight, which wound up flying out around midnight. Unfortunately I was 8th in the standby list and only one standby passenger made it on. I got myself set up for standby for the next morning’s flight. by the time I left the airport it was after 1am. I managed to get to a hotel and get 3 hrs of sleep before getting back to the airport to get in line for my standby. i was third in line for standby and only two were taken but whoever was second didn’t come when called so I got lucky. I got on the flight. I arrived a day late which put a big burden on my friend’s family but I got there and I helped out for a week. A week later, I went to the airport to head home. I arrived at the airport with 2 hrs to spare. I presented my confirmation code and was told “you’re not on this flight”. Huh? After a while they figured it out. “For some reason” when my flight out through Chicago got disrupted, the rest of my itinerary was canceled. I had NOT been notified. I double checked my emails. Nope. Nothing from United. I was told that all of United flights that day were oversold and that I shouldn’t even bother going on standby, there was absolutely no way they could get me home that day. I was going to have to get myself to a hotel, stay a night and go home the next day (my friends live in a rural area quite far from the airport so I couldn’t just go back to their home). I very nearly had a meltdown but didn’t think the person giving me this news deserved to be yelled at. It did bother me that this person had absolutely NO SYMPATHY for my situation. She offered NOTHING. No help, no assistance finding lodging etc, she just said “You can get on a flight tomorrow afternoon, that’s all I can offer you” and basically asked me to go away at that point. So I walked to the next counter, which was Jet Blue, and bought a flight home and came home that day with no additional issues. Once home, we then contacted United to attempt to arrange a refund. Since THEY CANCELED my flights, for no reason, without informing me, and put me in the position of having to purchase another flight to get home on time, I expected they would refund the cost of the flights THEY CANCELED. But their response? Those are “non-refundable tickets”, so they have refused my refund request.
    I will not be flying United again any time soon if I can at all help it. I do not expect that they will be able to undertake the cultural changes needed to actually become a “good” company. I can’t imagine that people in leadership positions at the company “care” about their customers. This is likely a problem all the way to the core of the business, and it’s a big company.

  324. Jessica Avatar

    I appreciate your insight into the fundamental problems resulting in such poor service from United. I used to fly United a lot but after an experience with them last month, I will be avoiding them if at all possible. I will happily pay more to avoid them. My experience pales in comparison to a parent not being able track down their child, but my experience was horrid enough. I was flying east on short notice to help a friend with a medical emergency get to the hospital each day for a week. my flight was through Chicago. when i landed in Chicago and got to the gate for my next flight, i discovered the flight out had been canceled due to ‘weather on the east coast’. my destination was fine but United’s schedules were apparently affected by weather in other cities. I got on standby for the 9pm flight, which wound up flying out around midnight. Unfortunately I was 8th in the standby list and only one standby passenger made it on. I got myself set up for standby for the next morning’s flight. by the time I left the airport it was after 1am. I managed to get to a hotel and get 3 hrs of sleep before getting back to the airport to get in line for my standby. i was third in line for standby and only two were taken but whoever was second didn’t come when called so I got lucky. I got on the flight. I arrived a day late which put a big burden on my friend’s family but I got there and I helped out for a week. A week later, I went to the airport to head home. I arrived at the airport with 2 hrs to spare. I presented my confirmation code and was told “you’re not on this flight”. Huh? After a while they figured it out. “For some reason” when my flight out through Chicago got disrupted, the rest of my itinerary was canceled. I had NOT been notified. I double checked my emails. Nope. Nothing from United. I was told that all of United flights that day were oversold and that I shouldn’t even bother going on standby, there was absolutely no way they could get me home that day. I was going to have to get myself to a hotel, stay a night and go home the next day (my friends live in a rural area quite far from the airport so I couldn’t just go back to their home). I very nearly had a meltdown but didn’t think the person giving me this news deserved to be yelled at. It did bother me that this person had absolutely NO SYMPATHY for my situation. She offered NOTHING. No help, no assistance finding lodging etc, she just said “You can get on a flight tomorrow afternoon, that’s all I can offer you” and basically asked me to go away at that point. So I walked to the next counter, which was Jet Blue, and bought a flight home and came home that day with no additional issues. Once home, we then contacted United to attempt to arrange a refund. Since THEY CANCELED my flights, for no reason, without informing me, and put me in the position of having to purchase another flight to get home on time, I expected they would refund the cost of the flights THEY CANCELED. But their response? Those are “non-refundable tickets”, so they have refused my refund request.
    I will not be flying United again any time soon if I can at all help it. I do not expect that they will be able to undertake the cultural changes needed to actually become a “good” company. I can’t imagine that people in leadership positions at the company “care” about their customers. This is likely a problem all the way to the core of the business, and it’s a big company.

  325. Jessica Avatar

    I appreciate your insight into the fundamental problems resulting in such poor service from United. I used to fly United a lot but after an experience with them last month, I will be avoiding them if at all possible. I will happily pay more to avoid them. My experience pales in comparison to a parent not being able track down their child, but my experience was horrid enough. I was flying east on short notice to help a friend with a medical emergency get to the hospital each day for a week. my flight was through Chicago. when i landed in Chicago and got to the gate for my next flight, i discovered the flight out had been canceled due to ‘weather on the east coast’. my destination was fine but United’s schedules were apparently affected by weather in other cities. I got on standby for the 9pm flight, which wound up flying out around midnight. Unfortunately I was 8th in the standby list and only one standby passenger made it on. I got myself set up for standby for the next morning’s flight. by the time I left the airport it was after 1am. I managed to get to a hotel and get 3 hrs of sleep before getting back to the airport to get in line for my standby. i was third in line for standby and only two were taken but whoever was second didn’t come when called so I got lucky. I got on the flight. I arrived a day late which put a big burden on my friend’s family but I got there and I helped out for a week. A week later, I went to the airport to head home. I arrived at the airport with 2 hrs to spare. I presented my confirmation code and was told “you’re not on this flight”. Huh? After a while they figured it out. “For some reason” when my flight out through Chicago got disrupted, the rest of my itinerary was canceled. I had NOT been notified. I double checked my emails. Nope. Nothing from United. I was told that all of United flights that day were oversold and that I shouldn’t even bother going on standby, there was absolutely no way they could get me home that day. I was going to have to get myself to a hotel, stay a night and go home the next day (my friends live in a rural area quite far from the airport so I couldn’t just go back to their home). I very nearly had a meltdown but didn’t think the person giving me this news deserved to be yelled at. It did bother me that this person had absolutely NO SYMPATHY for my situation. She offered NOTHING. No help, no assistance finding lodging etc, she just said “You can get on a flight tomorrow afternoon, that’s all I can offer you” and basically asked me to go away at that point. So I walked to the next counter, which was Jet Blue, and bought a flight home and came home that day with no additional issues. Once home, we then contacted United to attempt to arrange a refund. Since THEY CANCELED my flights, for no reason, without informing me, and put me in the position of having to purchase another flight to get home on time, I expected they would refund the cost of the flights THEY CANCELED. But their response? Those are “non-refundable tickets”, so they have refused my refund request.
    I will not be flying United again any time soon if I can at all help it. I do not expect that they will be able to undertake the cultural changes needed to actually become a “good” company. I can’t imagine that people in leadership positions at the company “care” about their customers. This is likely a problem all the way to the core of the business, and it’s a big company.

  326. Jessica Avatar

    I appreciate your insight into the fundamental problems resulting in such poor service from United. I used to fly United a lot but after an experience with them last month, I will be avoiding them if at all possible. I will happily pay more to avoid them. My experience pales in comparison to a parent not being able track down their child, but my experience was horrid enough. I was flying east on short notice to help a friend with a medical emergency get to the hospital each day for a week. my flight was through Chicago. when i landed in Chicago and got to the gate for my next flight, i discovered the flight out had been canceled due to ‘weather on the east coast’. my destination was fine but United’s schedules were apparently affected by weather in other cities. I got on standby for the 9pm flight, which wound up flying out around midnight. Unfortunately I was 8th in the standby list and only one standby passenger made it on. I got myself set up for standby for the next morning’s flight. by the time I left the airport it was after 1am. I managed to get to a hotel and get 3 hrs of sleep before getting back to the airport to get in line for my standby. i was third in line for standby and only two were taken but whoever was second didn’t come when called so I got lucky. I got on the flight. I arrived a day late which put a big burden on my friend’s family but I got there and I helped out for a week. A week later, I went to the airport to head home. I arrived at the airport with 2 hrs to spare. I presented my confirmation code and was told “you’re not on this flight”. Huh? After a while they figured it out. “For some reason” when my flight out through Chicago got disrupted, the rest of my itinerary was canceled. I had NOT been notified. I double checked my emails. Nope. Nothing from United. I was told that all of United flights that day were oversold and that I shouldn’t even bother going on standby, there was absolutely no way they could get me home that day. I was going to have to get myself to a hotel, stay a night and go home the next day (my friends live in a rural area quite far from the airport so I couldn’t just go back to their home). I very nearly had a meltdown but didn’t think the person giving me this news deserved to be yelled at. It did bother me that this person had absolutely NO SYMPATHY for my situation. She offered NOTHING. No help, no assistance finding lodging etc, she just said “You can get on a flight tomorrow afternoon, that’s all I can offer you” and basically asked me to go away at that point. So I walked to the next counter, which was Jet Blue, and bought a flight home and came home that day with no additional issues. Once home, we then contacted United to attempt to arrange a refund. Since THEY CANCELED my flights, for no reason, without informing me, and put me in the position of having to purchase another flight to get home on time, I expected they would refund the cost of the flights THEY CANCELED. But their response? Those are “non-refundable tickets”, so they have refused my refund request.
    I will not be flying United again any time soon if I can at all help it. I do not expect that they will be able to undertake the cultural changes needed to actually become a “good” company. I can’t imagine that people in leadership positions at the company “care” about their customers. This is likely a problem all the way to the core of the business, and it’s a big company.

  327. Jessica Avatar

    I appreciate your insight into the fundamental problems resulting in such poor service from United. I used to fly United a lot but after an experience with them last month, I will be avoiding them if at all possible. I will happily pay more to avoid them. My experience pales in comparison to a parent not being able track down their child, but my experience was horrid enough. I was flying east on short notice to help a friend with a medical emergency get to the hospital each day for a week. my flight was through Chicago. when i landed in Chicago and got to the gate for my next flight, i discovered the flight out had been canceled due to ‘weather on the east coast’. my destination was fine but United’s schedules were apparently affected by weather in other cities. I got on standby for the 9pm flight, which wound up flying out around midnight. Unfortunately I was 8th in the standby list and only one standby passenger made it on. I got myself set up for standby for the next morning’s flight. by the time I left the airport it was after 1am. I managed to get to a hotel and get 3 hrs of sleep before getting back to the airport to get in line for my standby. i was third in line for standby and only two were taken but whoever was second didn’t come when called so I got lucky. I got on the flight. I arrived a day late which put a big burden on my friend’s family but I got there and I helped out for a week. A week later, I went to the airport to head home. I arrived at the airport with 2 hrs to spare. I presented my confirmation code and was told “you’re not on this flight”. Huh? After a while they figured it out. “For some reason” when my flight out through Chicago got disrupted, the rest of my itinerary was canceled. I had NOT been notified. I double checked my emails. Nope. Nothing from United. I was told that all of United flights that day were oversold and that I shouldn’t even bother going on standby, there was absolutely no way they could get me home that day. I was going to have to get myself to a hotel, stay a night and go home the next day (my friends live in a rural area quite far from the airport so I couldn’t just go back to their home). I very nearly had a meltdown but didn’t think the person giving me this news deserved to be yelled at. It did bother me that this person had absolutely NO SYMPATHY for my situation. She offered NOTHING. No help, no assistance finding lodging etc, she just said “You can get on a flight tomorrow afternoon, that’s all I can offer you” and basically asked me to go away at that point. So I walked to the next counter, which was Jet Blue, and bought a flight home and came home that day with no additional issues. Once home, we then contacted United to attempt to arrange a refund. Since THEY CANCELED my flights, for no reason, without informing me, and put me in the position of having to purchase another flight to get home on time, I expected they would refund the cost of the flights THEY CANCELED. But their response? Those are “non-refundable tickets”, so they have refused my refund request.
    I will not be flying United again any time soon if I can at all help it. I do not expect that they will be able to undertake the cultural changes needed to actually become a “good” company. I can’t imagine that people in leadership positions at the company “care” about their customers. This is likely a problem all the way to the core of the business, and it’s a big company.

  328. Jessica Avatar

    I appreciate your insight into the fundamental problems resulting in such poor service from United. I used to fly United a lot but after an experience with them last month, I will be avoiding them if at all possible. I will happily pay more to avoid them. My experience pales in comparison to a parent not being able track down their child, but my experience was horrid enough. I was flying east on short notice to help a friend with a medical emergency get to the hospital each day for a week. my flight was through Chicago. when i landed in Chicago and got to the gate for my next flight, i discovered the flight out had been canceled due to ‘weather on the east coast’. my destination was fine but United’s schedules were apparently affected by weather in other cities. I got on standby for the 9pm flight, which wound up flying out around midnight. Unfortunately I was 8th in the standby list and only one standby passenger made it on. I got myself set up for standby for the next morning’s flight. by the time I left the airport it was after 1am. I managed to get to a hotel and get 3 hrs of sleep before getting back to the airport to get in line for my standby. i was third in line for standby and only two were taken but whoever was second didn’t come when called so I got lucky. I got on the flight. I arrived a day late which put a big burden on my friend’s family but I got there and I helped out for a week. A week later, I went to the airport to head home. I arrived at the airport with 2 hrs to spare. I presented my confirmation code and was told “you’re not on this flight”. Huh? After a while they figured it out. “For some reason” when my flight out through Chicago got disrupted, the rest of my itinerary was canceled. I had NOT been notified. I double checked my emails. Nope. Nothing from United. I was told that all of United flights that day were oversold and that I shouldn’t even bother going on standby, there was absolutely no way they could get me home that day. I was going to have to get myself to a hotel, stay a night and go home the next day (my friends live in a rural area quite far from the airport so I couldn’t just go back to their home). I very nearly had a meltdown but didn’t think the person giving me this news deserved to be yelled at. It did bother me that this person had absolutely NO SYMPATHY for my situation. She offered NOTHING. No help, no assistance finding lodging etc, she just said “You can get on a flight tomorrow afternoon, that’s all I can offer you” and basically asked me to go away at that point. So I walked to the next counter, which was Jet Blue, and bought a flight home and came home that day with no additional issues. Once home, we then contacted United to attempt to arrange a refund. Since THEY CANCELED my flights, for no reason, without informing me, and put me in the position of having to purchase another flight to get home on time, I expected they would refund the cost of the flights THEY CANCELED. But their response? Those are “non-refundable tickets”, so they have refused my refund request.
    I will not be flying United again any time soon if I can at all help it. I do not expect that they will be able to undertake the cultural changes needed to actually become a “good” company. I can’t imagine that people in leadership positions at the company “care” about their customers. This is likely a problem all the way to the core of the business, and it’s a big company.

  329. WakeUp Narcolepsy Avatar

    I flew exactly one year ago today with my 11yo at the time daughter from Portland Maine to Nashville Tennessee on United, at least half way as United had mechanical issues with their outsourced plane after leaving DC and NO ONE was available to help at Dulles. We looked for gate agents, called “customer service” and even tweeted @united as was advertised all over their gates at Dulles, there were elderly passengers on board that were deemed” Demented” even though they were just old and frustrated. The gate was empty of United employees and United never addressed this until 2AM (7 hours later) when they sent us to a hotel with instructions to be back by 6am. A supervisor never showed up, calls to customer service were on perpetual hold for hours. We were going to trust their “unaccompanied minor” but I had doubts about this, rightly so. Finally at 11AM, 18 hours later we got on a Delta flight, my daughter missed her first day of school but at least an 11year old wasn’t lost in Dulles with an irresponsible party. Screw United, they are absolutely the worst, their employees, at least the ones I dealt with or could find, are the absolute worst and should be fired. Tomorrow I get on a bus to Boston and fly Southwest to Nashville, it may not be perfect but at least they care. FU United!

  330. WakeUp Narcolepsy Avatar

    I flew exactly one year ago today with my 11yo at the time daughter from Portland Maine to Nashville Tennessee on United, at least half way as United had mechanical issues with their outsourced plane after leaving DC and NO ONE was available to help at Dulles. We looked for gate agents, called “customer service” and even tweeted @united as was advertised all over their gates at Dulles, there were elderly passengers on board that were deemed” Demented” even though they were just old and frustrated. The gate was empty of United employees and United never addressed this until 2AM (7 hours later) when they sent us to a hotel with instructions to be back by 6am. A supervisor never showed up, calls to customer service were on perpetual hold for hours. We were going to trust their “unaccompanied minor” but I had doubts about this, rightly so. Finally at 11AM, 18 hours later we got on a Delta flight, my daughter missed her first day of school but at least an 11year old wasn’t lost in Dulles with an irresponsible party. Screw United, they are absolutely the worst, their employees, at least the ones I dealt with or could find, are the absolute worst and should be fired. Tomorrow I get on a bus to Boston and fly Southwest to Nashville, it may not be perfect but at least they care. FU United!

  331. WakeUp Narcolepsy Avatar

    I flew exactly one year ago today with my 11yo at the time daughter from Portland Maine to Nashville Tennessee on United, at least half way as United had mechanical issues with their outsourced plane after leaving DC and NO ONE was available to help at Dulles. We looked for gate agents, called “customer service” and even tweeted @united as was advertised all over their gates at Dulles, there were elderly passengers on board that were deemed” Demented” even though they were just old and frustrated. The gate was empty of United employees and United never addressed this until 2AM (7 hours later) when they sent us to a hotel with instructions to be back by 6am. A supervisor never showed up, calls to customer service were on perpetual hold for hours. We were going to trust their “unaccompanied minor” but I had doubts about this, rightly so. Finally at 11AM, 18 hours later we got on a Delta flight, my daughter missed her first day of school but at least an 11year old wasn’t lost in Dulles with an irresponsible party. Screw United, they are absolutely the worst, their employees, at least the ones I dealt with or could find, are the absolute worst and should be fired. Tomorrow I get on a bus to Boston and fly Southwest to Nashville, it may not be perfect but at least they care. FU United!

  332. WakeUp Narcolepsy Avatar

    I flew exactly one year ago today with my 11yo at the time daughter from Portland Maine to Nashville Tennessee on United, at least half way as United had mechanical issues with their outsourced plane after leaving DC and NO ONE was available to help at Dulles. We looked for gate agents, called “customer service” and even tweeted @united as was advertised all over their gates at Dulles, there were elderly passengers on board that were deemed” Demented” even though they were just old and frustrated. The gate was empty of United employees and United never addressed this until 2AM (7 hours later) when they sent us to a hotel with instructions to be back by 6am. A supervisor never showed up, calls to customer service were on perpetual hold for hours. We were going to trust their “unaccompanied minor” but I had doubts about this, rightly so. Finally at 11AM, 18 hours later we got on a Delta flight, my daughter missed her first day of school but at least an 11year old wasn’t lost in Dulles with an irresponsible party. Screw United, they are absolutely the worst, their employees, at least the ones I dealt with or could find, are the absolute worst and should be fired. Tomorrow I get on a bus to Boston and fly Southwest to Nashville, it may not be perfect but at least they care. FU United!

  333. WakeUp Narcolepsy Avatar

    I flew exactly one year ago today with my 11yo at the time daughter from Portland Maine to Nashville Tennessee on United, at least half way as United had mechanical issues with their outsourced plane after leaving DC and NO ONE was available to help at Dulles. We looked for gate agents, called “customer service” and even tweeted @united as was advertised all over their gates at Dulles, there were elderly passengers on board that were deemed” Demented” even though they were just old and frustrated. The gate was empty of United employees and United never addressed this until 2AM (7 hours later) when they sent us to a hotel with instructions to be back by 6am. A supervisor never showed up, calls to customer service were on perpetual hold for hours. We were going to trust their “unaccompanied minor” but I had doubts about this, rightly so. Finally at 11AM, 18 hours later we got on a Delta flight, my daughter missed her first day of school but at least an 11year old wasn’t lost in Dulles with an irresponsible party. Screw United, they are absolutely the worst, their employees, at least the ones I dealt with or could find, are the absolute worst and should be fired. Tomorrow I get on a bus to Boston and fly Southwest to Nashville, it may not be perfect but at least they care. FU United!

  334. WakeUp Narcolepsy Avatar

    I flew exactly one year ago today with my 11yo at the time daughter from Portland Maine to Nashville Tennessee on United, at least half way as United had mechanical issues with their outsourced plane after leaving DC and NO ONE was available to help at Dulles. We looked for gate agents, called “customer service” and even tweeted @united as was advertised all over their gates at Dulles, there were elderly passengers on board that were deemed” Demented” even though they were just old and frustrated. The gate was empty of United employees and United never addressed this until 2AM (7 hours later) when they sent us to a hotel with instructions to be back by 6am. A supervisor never showed up, calls to customer service were on perpetual hold for hours. We were going to trust their “unaccompanied minor” but I had doubts about this, rightly so. Finally at 11AM, 18 hours later we got on a Delta flight, my daughter missed her first day of school but at least an 11year old wasn’t lost in Dulles with an irresponsible party. Screw United, they are absolutely the worst, their employees, at least the ones I dealt with or could find, are the absolute worst and should be fired. Tomorrow I get on a bus to Boston and fly Southwest to Nashville, it may not be perfect but at least they care. FU United!

  335. WakeUp Narcolepsy Avatar

    I flew exactly one year ago today with my 11yo at the time daughter from Portland Maine to Nashville Tennessee on United, at least half way as United had mechanical issues with their outsourced plane after leaving DC and NO ONE was available to help at Dulles. We looked for gate agents, called “customer service” and even tweeted @united as was advertised all over their gates at Dulles, there were elderly passengers on board that were deemed” Demented” even though they were just old and frustrated. The gate was empty of United employees and United never addressed this until 2AM (7 hours later) when they sent us to a hotel with instructions to be back by 6am. A supervisor never showed up, calls to customer service were on perpetual hold for hours. We were going to trust their “unaccompanied minor” but I had doubts about this, rightly so. Finally at 11AM, 18 hours later we got on a Delta flight, my daughter missed her first day of school but at least an 11year old wasn’t lost in Dulles with an irresponsible party. Screw United, they are absolutely the worst, their employees, at least the ones I dealt with or could find, are the absolute worst and should be fired. Tomorrow I get on a bus to Boston and fly Southwest to Nashville, it may not be perfect but at least they care. FU United!

  336. WakeUp Narcolepsy Avatar

    I flew exactly one year ago today with my 11yo at the time daughter from Portland Maine to Nashville Tennessee on United, at least half way as United had mechanical issues with their outsourced plane after leaving DC and NO ONE was available to help at Dulles. We looked for gate agents, called “customer service” and even tweeted @united as was advertised all over their gates at Dulles, there were elderly passengers on board that were deemed” Demented” even though they were just old and frustrated. The gate was empty of United employees and United never addressed this until 2AM (7 hours later) when they sent us to a hotel with instructions to be back by 6am. A supervisor never showed up, calls to customer service were on perpetual hold for hours. We were going to trust their “unaccompanied minor” but I had doubts about this, rightly so. Finally at 11AM, 18 hours later we got on a Delta flight, my daughter missed her first day of school but at least an 11year old wasn’t lost in Dulles with an irresponsible party. Screw United, they are absolutely the worst, their employees, at least the ones I dealt with or could find, are the absolute worst and should be fired. Tomorrow I get on a bus to Boston and fly Southwest to Nashville, it may not be perfect but at least they care. FU United!

  337. Titi369 Avatar

    Is there a possibility to make this visible for United? I am shocked of the amount of terrible stories. I come from a third world country, and we see this constantly with a system that doesn’t do anything about it (its frustrating), and as an American is impossible that we led this happen so easily. This can hurt a company, and we can help them become better. What are your suggestions? Blogs? Twitter? News?

  338. Titi369 Avatar

    Is there a possibility to make this visible for United? I am shocked of the amount of terrible stories. I come from a third world country, and we see this constantly with a system that doesn’t do anything about it (its frustrating), and as an American is impossible that we led this happen so easily. This can hurt a company, and we can help them become better. What are your suggestions? Blogs? Twitter? News?

  339. Titi369 Avatar

    Is there a possibility to make this visible for United? I am shocked of the amount of terrible stories. I come from a third world country, and we see this constantly with a system that doesn’t do anything about it (its frustrating), and as an American is impossible that we led this happen so easily. This can hurt a company, and we can help them become better. What are your suggestions? Blogs? Twitter? News?

  340. Titi369 Avatar

    Is there a possibility to make this visible for United? I am shocked of the amount of terrible stories. I come from a third world country, and we see this constantly with a system that doesn’t do anything about it (its frustrating), and as an American is impossible that we led this happen so easily. This can hurt a company, and we can help them become better. What are your suggestions? Blogs? Twitter? News?

  341. Titi369 Avatar

    Is there a possibility to make this visible for United? I am shocked of the amount of terrible stories. I come from a third world country, and we see this constantly with a system that doesn’t do anything about it (its frustrating), and as an American is impossible that we led this happen so easily. This can hurt a company, and we can help them become better. What are your suggestions? Blogs? Twitter? News?

  342. Titi369 Avatar

    Is there a possibility to make this visible for United? I am shocked of the amount of terrible stories. I come from a third world country, and we see this constantly with a system that doesn’t do anything about it (its frustrating), and as an American is impossible that we led this happen so easily. This can hurt a company, and we can help them become better. What are your suggestions? Blogs? Twitter? News?

  343. Titi369 Avatar

    Is there a possibility to make this visible for United? I am shocked of the amount of terrible stories. I come from a third world country, and we see this constantly with a system that doesn’t do anything about it (its frustrating), and as an American is impossible that we led this happen so easily. This can hurt a company, and we can help them become better. What are your suggestions? Blogs? Twitter? News?

  344. Titi369 Avatar

    Is there a possibility to make this visible for United? I am shocked of the amount of terrible stories. I come from a third world country, and we see this constantly with a system that doesn’t do anything about it (its frustrating), and as an American is impossible that we led this happen so easily. This can hurt a company, and we can help them become better. What are your suggestions? Blogs? Twitter? News?

  345. Greenpolymer Avatar

    This story, and these comments, are appalling. I know, and I live this story every day, because I am a United Airlines Captain. I have been with UAL for over 25 years (which means that I was hired AFTER the bitter 1985 strike). As an employee, it is very hard for me to watch the boarding videos that many of our frequent flyers also wince at. Yes, Mr. Smisek certainly says all the right words; teamwork, satisfied employees, professional service, fair, rewarding, leadership. Then he talks about how we now have “professional management”, and how that improves the lives of everyone that “professional management” touches. Yes, he says the words.
    Then, there is the experience. The employees you are all discussing here have had the following experiences in the past twenty years.
    1. Bought the company with six years and nine months of sacrificed pay.
    1a. Watched the company run into a bankruptcy where all that stock was voided. United is still here, all the operations continue, just new owners and very well paid lawyers. Bankruptcy to nine BILLION dollars in cash in just a few years. We all watched while State Street Bank “protected” us, hanging on to the stock from over $120/sh to $.78/sh. Over two billion dollars was taken from the employees before “professional management” tanked the company. For a reference point, go see what Mr. Arpey had to say about his Board of Directors taking AA into bankruptcy with Bain Capital as their $14 million a MONTH advisors.
    2. My pay is half what I made 14 years ago, about equal to my pay in 1994.
    3. I had to fight to keep my children on my medical insurance after United lost the paperwork they started to “verify” that, after ten years, my children were still my children.
    4. Could not access my Flexible Spending Account due to United vendors changing software on the cheap.
    5. Pass privileges? Please, it’s a painful memory.
    6. Pension, oh yes, taken in bankruptcy.
    7. Payroll accounting-Only United could screw up a peoplesoft product implementation, payroll functioned without one single error for decades, “professional management” can’t fix problems they created six months ago.
    8. Passenger Service-I had the gall to apologize to my 150 passengers for a shares delay of 45 minutes one day. I was asked to write a letter of apology TO MANAGEMENT for mentioning the problem. (I think the videos also say something about being truthful and taking responsibility).
    An army of people who used to WORK at United are gone now, replaced by an army of people who carry clipboards and watches and take notes. They have no idea how to do the work at hand, but by God they are going to make it better, faster, and cheaper. Meanwhile, the folk who actually know the work the best, the ones who DO it, well; tell you what,
    you just fly the airplane, and we’ll run the company.
    Great Job Guys.
    When the employees owned this company, and it was a cooperative effort by a company-wide team of dedicated, committed, engaged, respected (for real, not the words), and supported employees who would tell you how they LOVED United, it was run like a swiss watch. As the article above describes so well, there are companies run this way, by a LEADERSHIP team. At United, we have “professional management” instead. I think you can make your own judgement about the effectiveness of the two.
    Kind of makes you yearn for the days when Airlines (and other companies) were run by folk who loved the business, built it, owned it (I mean EARNED it), and were it it for the long haul. To build a successful business was an honorable thing, today; it’s a quarterly earnings thing, and then off to the next “professional” temporary duty. There were guys like Robert Six, Pat Patterson, C.R. Smith, even Bob Crandall. You didn’t have to love labor to build a service company, you had to love the company and respect the folk who toiled for you. That’s all.
    I used to be the Captain who ran downstairs to make sure the jetway air conditioning was cold and properly hooked up. Who helped the mechanic with the cowling and held the flashlight for him. I used to write notes to MY guests, and thank them for their business. I wrote reports, hundreds of reports, on everything from bad coffee to more efficient taxi techniques.
    No more. I have been told to do my job, and I do my job. My love for aviation has been ground into dust. After 15 years of being lied to, deceived, ignored, blamed falsely; and watching the same mistakes being made over and over again by a “professional management” that never seems to learn from the copious reports of our new “watchers”, I give.
    It’s not an easy thing to do. I am an Eagle Scout, an entrepreneur, and a retired Air Force Officer with over 22 years of service. Those twelve points of the Scout law still mean something to me, especially the first three. I have been in great units and not so great units, and the difference ALWAYS came down to LEADERSHIP. Most (and I will be the first to admit not all) of the employees that you all have been talking about here are desperate. They would give anything to find a LEADER, with a VISION, and a sense of HONOR to lead this company.
    Though I never knew him, I know that Pat Patterson is somewhere crying, perhaps sobbing, as he watches the wonderful company he BUILT OVER DECADES dismantled by a crew of Harvard and Yale trained lawyers. I know I am.
    Please forgive me, I did try to be brief……..

  346. Greenpolymer Avatar

    This story, and these comments, are appalling. I know, and I live this story every day, because I am a United Airlines Captain. I have been with UAL for over 25 years (which means that I was hired AFTER the bitter 1985 strike). As an employee, it is very hard for me to watch the boarding videos that many of our frequent flyers also wince at. Yes, Mr. Smisek certainly says all the right words; teamwork, satisfied employees, professional service, fair, rewarding, leadership. Then he talks about how we now have “professional management”, and how that improves the lives of everyone that “professional management” touches. Yes, he says the words.
    Then, there is the experience. The employees you are all discussing here have had the following experiences in the past twenty years.
    1. Bought the company with six years and nine months of sacrificed pay.
    1a. Watched the company run into a bankruptcy where all that stock was voided. United is still here, all the operations continue, just new owners and very well paid lawyers. Bankruptcy to nine BILLION dollars in cash in just a few years. We all watched while State Street Bank “protected” us, hanging on to the stock from over $120/sh to $.78/sh. Over two billion dollars was taken from the employees before “professional management” tanked the company. For a reference point, go see what Mr. Arpey had to say about his Board of Directors taking AA into bankruptcy with Bain Capital as their $14 million a MONTH advisors.
    2. My pay is half what I made 14 years ago, about equal to my pay in 1994.
    3. I had to fight to keep my children on my medical insurance after United lost the paperwork they started to “verify” that, after ten years, my children were still my children.
    4. Could not access my Flexible Spending Account due to United vendors changing software on the cheap.
    5. Pass privileges? Please, it’s a painful memory.
    6. Pension, oh yes, taken in bankruptcy.
    7. Payroll accounting-Only United could screw up a peoplesoft product implementation, payroll functioned without one single error for decades, “professional management” can’t fix problems they created six months ago.
    8. Passenger Service-I had the gall to apologize to my 150 passengers for a shares delay of 45 minutes one day. I was asked to write a letter of apology TO MANAGEMENT for mentioning the problem. (I think the videos also say something about being truthful and taking responsibility).
    An army of people who used to WORK at United are gone now, replaced by an army of people who carry clipboards and watches and take notes. They have no idea how to do the work at hand, but by God they are going to make it better, faster, and cheaper. Meanwhile, the folk who actually know the work the best, the ones who DO it, well; tell you what,
    you just fly the airplane, and we’ll run the company.
    Great Job Guys.
    When the employees owned this company, and it was a cooperative effort by a company-wide team of dedicated, committed, engaged, respected (for real, not the words), and supported employees who would tell you how they LOVED United, it was run like a swiss watch. As the article above describes so well, there are companies run this way, by a LEADERSHIP team. At United, we have “professional management” instead. I think you can make your own judgement about the effectiveness of the two.
    Kind of makes you yearn for the days when Airlines (and other companies) were run by folk who loved the business, built it, owned it (I mean EARNED it), and were it it for the long haul. To build a successful business was an honorable thing, today; it’s a quarterly earnings thing, and then off to the next “professional” temporary duty. There were guys like Robert Six, Pat Patterson, C.R. Smith, even Bob Crandall. You didn’t have to love labor to build a service company, you had to love the company and respect the folk who toiled for you. That’s all.
    I used to be the Captain who ran downstairs to make sure the jetway air conditioning was cold and properly hooked up. Who helped the mechanic with the cowling and held the flashlight for him. I used to write notes to MY guests, and thank them for their business. I wrote reports, hundreds of reports, on everything from bad coffee to more efficient taxi techniques.
    No more. I have been told to do my job, and I do my job. My love for aviation has been ground into dust. After 15 years of being lied to, deceived, ignored, blamed falsely; and watching the same mistakes being made over and over again by a “professional management” that never seems to learn from the copious reports of our new “watchers”, I give.
    It’s not an easy thing to do. I am an Eagle Scout, an entrepreneur, and a retired Air Force Officer with over 22 years of service. Those twelve points of the Scout law still mean something to me, especially the first three. I have been in great units and not so great units, and the difference ALWAYS came down to LEADERSHIP. Most (and I will be the first to admit not all) of the employees that you all have been talking about here are desperate. They would give anything to find a LEADER, with a VISION, and a sense of HONOR to lead this company.
    Though I never knew him, I know that Pat Patterson is somewhere crying, perhaps sobbing, as he watches the wonderful company he BUILT OVER DECADES dismantled by a crew of Harvard and Yale trained lawyers. I know I am.
    Please forgive me, I did try to be brief……..

  347. Greenpolymer Avatar

    This story, and these comments, are appalling. I know, and I live this story every day, because I am a United Airlines Captain. I have been with UAL for over 25 years (which means that I was hired AFTER the bitter 1985 strike). As an employee, it is very hard for me to watch the boarding videos that many of our frequent flyers also wince at. Yes, Mr. Smisek certainly says all the right words; teamwork, satisfied employees, professional service, fair, rewarding, leadership. Then he talks about how we now have “professional management”, and how that improves the lives of everyone that “professional management” touches. Yes, he says the words.
    Then, there is the experience. The employees you are all discussing here have had the following experiences in the past twenty years.
    1. Bought the company with six years and nine months of sacrificed pay.
    1a. Watched the company run into a bankruptcy where all that stock was voided. United is still here, all the operations continue, just new owners and very well paid lawyers. Bankruptcy to nine BILLION dollars in cash in just a few years. We all watched while State Street Bank “protected” us, hanging on to the stock from over $120/sh to $.78/sh. Over two billion dollars was taken from the employees before “professional management” tanked the company. For a reference point, go see what Mr. Arpey had to say about his Board of Directors taking AA into bankruptcy with Bain Capital as their $14 million a MONTH advisors.
    2. My pay is half what I made 14 years ago, about equal to my pay in 1994.
    3. I had to fight to keep my children on my medical insurance after United lost the paperwork they started to “verify” that, after ten years, my children were still my children.
    4. Could not access my Flexible Spending Account due to United vendors changing software on the cheap.
    5. Pass privileges? Please, it’s a painful memory.
    6. Pension, oh yes, taken in bankruptcy.
    7. Payroll accounting-Only United could screw up a peoplesoft product implementation, payroll functioned without one single error for decades, “professional management” can’t fix problems they created six months ago.
    8. Passenger Service-I had the gall to apologize to my 150 passengers for a shares delay of 45 minutes one day. I was asked to write a letter of apology TO MANAGEMENT for mentioning the problem. (I think the videos also say something about being truthful and taking responsibility).
    An army of people who used to WORK at United are gone now, replaced by an army of people who carry clipboards and watches and take notes. They have no idea how to do the work at hand, but by God they are going to make it better, faster, and cheaper. Meanwhile, the folk who actually know the work the best, the ones who DO it, well; tell you what,
    you just fly the airplane, and we’ll run the company.
    Great Job Guys.
    When the employees owned this company, and it was a cooperative effort by a company-wide team of dedicated, committed, engaged, respected (for real, not the words), and supported employees who would tell you how they LOVED United, it was run like a swiss watch. As the article above describes so well, there are companies run this way, by a LEADERSHIP team. At United, we have “professional management” instead. I think you can make your own judgement about the effectiveness of the two.
    Kind of makes you yearn for the days when Airlines (and other companies) were run by folk who loved the business, built it, owned it (I mean EARNED it), and were it it for the long haul. To build a successful business was an honorable thing, today; it’s a quarterly earnings thing, and then off to the next “professional” temporary duty. There were guys like Robert Six, Pat Patterson, C.R. Smith, even Bob Crandall. You didn’t have to love labor to build a service company, you had to love the company and respect the folk who toiled for you. That’s all.
    I used to be the Captain who ran downstairs to make sure the jetway air conditioning was cold and properly hooked up. Who helped the mechanic with the cowling and held the flashlight for him. I used to write notes to MY guests, and thank them for their business. I wrote reports, hundreds of reports, on everything from bad coffee to more efficient taxi techniques.
    No more. I have been told to do my job, and I do my job. My love for aviation has been ground into dust. After 15 years of being lied to, deceived, ignored, blamed falsely; and watching the same mistakes being made over and over again by a “professional management” that never seems to learn from the copious reports of our new “watchers”, I give.
    It’s not an easy thing to do. I am an Eagle Scout, an entrepreneur, and a retired Air Force Officer with over 22 years of service. Those twelve points of the Scout law still mean something to me, especially the first three. I have been in great units and not so great units, and the difference ALWAYS came down to LEADERSHIP. Most (and I will be the first to admit not all) of the employees that you all have been talking about here are desperate. They would give anything to find a LEADER, with a VISION, and a sense of HONOR to lead this company.
    Though I never knew him, I know that Pat Patterson is somewhere crying, perhaps sobbing, as he watches the wonderful company he BUILT OVER DECADES dismantled by a crew of Harvard and Yale trained lawyers. I know I am.
    Please forgive me, I did try to be brief……..

  348. Greenpolymer Avatar

    This story, and these comments, are appalling. I know, and I live this story every day, because I am a United Airlines Captain. I have been with UAL for over 25 years (which means that I was hired AFTER the bitter 1985 strike). As an employee, it is very hard for me to watch the boarding videos that many of our frequent flyers also wince at. Yes, Mr. Smisek certainly says all the right words; teamwork, satisfied employees, professional service, fair, rewarding, leadership. Then he talks about how we now have “professional management”, and how that improves the lives of everyone that “professional management” touches. Yes, he says the words.
    Then, there is the experience. The employees you are all discussing here have had the following experiences in the past twenty years.
    1. Bought the company with six years and nine months of sacrificed pay.
    1a. Watched the company run into a bankruptcy where all that stock was voided. United is still here, all the operations continue, just new owners and very well paid lawyers. Bankruptcy to nine BILLION dollars in cash in just a few years. We all watched while State Street Bank “protected” us, hanging on to the stock from over $120/sh to $.78/sh. Over two billion dollars was taken from the employees before “professional management” tanked the company. For a reference point, go see what Mr. Arpey had to say about his Board of Directors taking AA into bankruptcy with Bain Capital as their $14 million a MONTH advisors.
    2. My pay is half what I made 14 years ago, about equal to my pay in 1994.
    3. I had to fight to keep my children on my medical insurance after United lost the paperwork they started to “verify” that, after ten years, my children were still my children.
    4. Could not access my Flexible Spending Account due to United vendors changing software on the cheap.
    5. Pass privileges? Please, it’s a painful memory.
    6. Pension, oh yes, taken in bankruptcy.
    7. Payroll accounting-Only United could screw up a peoplesoft product implementation, payroll functioned without one single error for decades, “professional management” can’t fix problems they created six months ago.
    8. Passenger Service-I had the gall to apologize to my 150 passengers for a shares delay of 45 minutes one day. I was asked to write a letter of apology TO MANAGEMENT for mentioning the problem. (I think the videos also say something about being truthful and taking responsibility).
    An army of people who used to WORK at United are gone now, replaced by an army of people who carry clipboards and watches and take notes. They have no idea how to do the work at hand, but by God they are going to make it better, faster, and cheaper. Meanwhile, the folk who actually know the work the best, the ones who DO it, well; tell you what,
    you just fly the airplane, and we’ll run the company.
    Great Job Guys.
    When the employees owned this company, and it was a cooperative effort by a company-wide team of dedicated, committed, engaged, respected (for real, not the words), and supported employees who would tell you how they LOVED United, it was run like a swiss watch. As the article above describes so well, there are companies run this way, by a LEADERSHIP team. At United, we have “professional management” instead. I think you can make your own judgement about the effectiveness of the two.
    Kind of makes you yearn for the days when Airlines (and other companies) were run by folk who loved the business, built it, owned it (I mean EARNED it), and were it it for the long haul. To build a successful business was an honorable thing, today; it’s a quarterly earnings thing, and then off to the next “professional” temporary duty. There were guys like Robert Six, Pat Patterson, C.R. Smith, even Bob Crandall. You didn’t have to love labor to build a service company, you had to love the company and respect the folk who toiled for you. That’s all.
    I used to be the Captain who ran downstairs to make sure the jetway air conditioning was cold and properly hooked up. Who helped the mechanic with the cowling and held the flashlight for him. I used to write notes to MY guests, and thank them for their business. I wrote reports, hundreds of reports, on everything from bad coffee to more efficient taxi techniques.
    No more. I have been told to do my job, and I do my job. My love for aviation has been ground into dust. After 15 years of being lied to, deceived, ignored, blamed falsely; and watching the same mistakes being made over and over again by a “professional management” that never seems to learn from the copious reports of our new “watchers”, I give.
    It’s not an easy thing to do. I am an Eagle Scout, an entrepreneur, and a retired Air Force Officer with over 22 years of service. Those twelve points of the Scout law still mean something to me, especially the first three. I have been in great units and not so great units, and the difference ALWAYS came down to LEADERSHIP. Most (and I will be the first to admit not all) of the employees that you all have been talking about here are desperate. They would give anything to find a LEADER, with a VISION, and a sense of HONOR to lead this company.
    Though I never knew him, I know that Pat Patterson is somewhere crying, perhaps sobbing, as he watches the wonderful company he BUILT OVER DECADES dismantled by a crew of Harvard and Yale trained lawyers. I know I am.
    Please forgive me, I did try to be brief……..

  349. Greenpolymer Avatar

    This story, and these comments, are appalling. I know, and I live this story every day, because I am a United Airlines Captain. I have been with UAL for over 25 years (which means that I was hired AFTER the bitter 1985 strike). As an employee, it is very hard for me to watch the boarding videos that many of our frequent flyers also wince at. Yes, Mr. Smisek certainly says all the right words; teamwork, satisfied employees, professional service, fair, rewarding, leadership. Then he talks about how we now have “professional management”, and how that improves the lives of everyone that “professional management” touches. Yes, he says the words.
    Then, there is the experience. The employees you are all discussing here have had the following experiences in the past twenty years.
    1. Bought the company with six years and nine months of sacrificed pay.
    1a. Watched the company run into a bankruptcy where all that stock was voided. United is still here, all the operations continue, just new owners and very well paid lawyers. Bankruptcy to nine BILLION dollars in cash in just a few years. We all watched while State Street Bank “protected” us, hanging on to the stock from over $120/sh to $.78/sh. Over two billion dollars was taken from the employees before “professional management” tanked the company. For a reference point, go see what Mr. Arpey had to say about his Board of Directors taking AA into bankruptcy with Bain Capital as their $14 million a MONTH advisors.
    2. My pay is half what I made 14 years ago, about equal to my pay in 1994.
    3. I had to fight to keep my children on my medical insurance after United lost the paperwork they started to “verify” that, after ten years, my children were still my children.
    4. Could not access my Flexible Spending Account due to United vendors changing software on the cheap.
    5. Pass privileges? Please, it’s a painful memory.
    6. Pension, oh yes, taken in bankruptcy.
    7. Payroll accounting-Only United could screw up a peoplesoft product implementation, payroll functioned without one single error for decades, “professional management” can’t fix problems they created six months ago.
    8. Passenger Service-I had the gall to apologize to my 150 passengers for a shares delay of 45 minutes one day. I was asked to write a letter of apology TO MANAGEMENT for mentioning the problem. (I think the videos also say something about being truthful and taking responsibility).
    An army of people who used to WORK at United are gone now, replaced by an army of people who carry clipboards and watches and take notes. They have no idea how to do the work at hand, but by God they are going to make it better, faster, and cheaper. Meanwhile, the folk who actually know the work the best, the ones who DO it, well; tell you what,
    you just fly the airplane, and we’ll run the company.
    Great Job Guys.
    When the employees owned this company, and it was a cooperative effort by a company-wide team of dedicated, committed, engaged, respected (for real, not the words), and supported employees who would tell you how they LOVED United, it was run like a swiss watch. As the article above describes so well, there are companies run this way, by a LEADERSHIP team. At United, we have “professional management” instead. I think you can make your own judgement about the effectiveness of the two.
    Kind of makes you yearn for the days when Airlines (and other companies) were run by folk who loved the business, built it, owned it (I mean EARNED it), and were it it for the long haul. To build a successful business was an honorable thing, today; it’s a quarterly earnings thing, and then off to the next “professional” temporary duty. There were guys like Robert Six, Pat Patterson, C.R. Smith, even Bob Crandall. You didn’t have to love labor to build a service company, you had to love the company and respect the folk who toiled for you. That’s all.
    I used to be the Captain who ran downstairs to make sure the jetway air conditioning was cold and properly hooked up. Who helped the mechanic with the cowling and held the flashlight for him. I used to write notes to MY guests, and thank them for their business. I wrote reports, hundreds of reports, on everything from bad coffee to more efficient taxi techniques.
    No more. I have been told to do my job, and I do my job. My love for aviation has been ground into dust. After 15 years of being lied to, deceived, ignored, blamed falsely; and watching the same mistakes being made over and over again by a “professional management” that never seems to learn from the copious reports of our new “watchers”, I give.
    It’s not an easy thing to do. I am an Eagle Scout, an entrepreneur, and a retired Air Force Officer with over 22 years of service. Those twelve points of the Scout law still mean something to me, especially the first three. I have been in great units and not so great units, and the difference ALWAYS came down to LEADERSHIP. Most (and I will be the first to admit not all) of the employees that you all have been talking about here are desperate. They would give anything to find a LEADER, with a VISION, and a sense of HONOR to lead this company.
    Though I never knew him, I know that Pat Patterson is somewhere crying, perhaps sobbing, as he watches the wonderful company he BUILT OVER DECADES dismantled by a crew of Harvard and Yale trained lawyers. I know I am.
    Please forgive me, I did try to be brief……..

  350. Greenpolymer Avatar

    This story, and these comments, are appalling. I know, and I live this story every day, because I am a United Airlines Captain. I have been with UAL for over 25 years (which means that I was hired AFTER the bitter 1985 strike). As an employee, it is very hard for me to watch the boarding videos that many of our frequent flyers also wince at. Yes, Mr. Smisek certainly says all the right words; teamwork, satisfied employees, professional service, fair, rewarding, leadership. Then he talks about how we now have “professional management”, and how that improves the lives of everyone that “professional management” touches. Yes, he says the words.
    Then, there is the experience. The employees you are all discussing here have had the following experiences in the past twenty years.
    1. Bought the company with six years and nine months of sacrificed pay.
    1a. Watched the company run into a bankruptcy where all that stock was voided. United is still here, all the operations continue, just new owners and very well paid lawyers. Bankruptcy to nine BILLION dollars in cash in just a few years. We all watched while State Street Bank “protected” us, hanging on to the stock from over $120/sh to $.78/sh. Over two billion dollars was taken from the employees before “professional management” tanked the company. For a reference point, go see what Mr. Arpey had to say about his Board of Directors taking AA into bankruptcy with Bain Capital as their $14 million a MONTH advisors.
    2. My pay is half what I made 14 years ago, about equal to my pay in 1994.
    3. I had to fight to keep my children on my medical insurance after United lost the paperwork they started to “verify” that, after ten years, my children were still my children.
    4. Could not access my Flexible Spending Account due to United vendors changing software on the cheap.
    5. Pass privileges? Please, it’s a painful memory.
    6. Pension, oh yes, taken in bankruptcy.
    7. Payroll accounting-Only United could screw up a peoplesoft product implementation, payroll functioned without one single error for decades, “professional management” can’t fix problems they created six months ago.
    8. Passenger Service-I had the gall to apologize to my 150 passengers for a shares delay of 45 minutes one day. I was asked to write a letter of apology TO MANAGEMENT for mentioning the problem. (I think the videos also say something about being truthful and taking responsibility).
    An army of people who used to WORK at United are gone now, replaced by an army of people who carry clipboards and watches and take notes. They have no idea how to do the work at hand, but by God they are going to make it better, faster, and cheaper. Meanwhile, the folk who actually know the work the best, the ones who DO it, well; tell you what,
    you just fly the airplane, and we’ll run the company.
    Great Job Guys.
    When the employees owned this company, and it was a cooperative effort by a company-wide team of dedicated, committed, engaged, respected (for real, not the words), and supported employees who would tell you how they LOVED United, it was run like a swiss watch. As the article above describes so well, there are companies run this way, by a LEADERSHIP team. At United, we have “professional management” instead. I think you can make your own judgement about the effectiveness of the two.
    Kind of makes you yearn for the days when Airlines (and other companies) were run by folk who loved the business, built it, owned it (I mean EARNED it), and were it it for the long haul. To build a successful business was an honorable thing, today; it’s a quarterly earnings thing, and then off to the next “professional” temporary duty. There were guys like Robert Six, Pat Patterson, C.R. Smith, even Bob Crandall. You didn’t have to love labor to build a service company, you had to love the company and respect the folk who toiled for you. That’s all.
    I used to be the Captain who ran downstairs to make sure the jetway air conditioning was cold and properly hooked up. Who helped the mechanic with the cowling and held the flashlight for him. I used to write notes to MY guests, and thank them for their business. I wrote reports, hundreds of reports, on everything from bad coffee to more efficient taxi techniques.
    No more. I have been told to do my job, and I do my job. My love for aviation has been ground into dust. After 15 years of being lied to, deceived, ignored, blamed falsely; and watching the same mistakes being made over and over again by a “professional management” that never seems to learn from the copious reports of our new “watchers”, I give.
    It’s not an easy thing to do. I am an Eagle Scout, an entrepreneur, and a retired Air Force Officer with over 22 years of service. Those twelve points of the Scout law still mean something to me, especially the first three. I have been in great units and not so great units, and the difference ALWAYS came down to LEADERSHIP. Most (and I will be the first to admit not all) of the employees that you all have been talking about here are desperate. They would give anything to find a LEADER, with a VISION, and a sense of HONOR to lead this company.
    Though I never knew him, I know that Pat Patterson is somewhere crying, perhaps sobbing, as he watches the wonderful company he BUILT OVER DECADES dismantled by a crew of Harvard and Yale trained lawyers. I know I am.
    Please forgive me, I did try to be brief……..

  351. Greenpolymer Avatar

    This story, and these comments, are appalling. I know, and I live this story every day, because I am a United Airlines Captain. I have been with UAL for over 25 years (which means that I was hired AFTER the bitter 1985 strike). As an employee, it is very hard for me to watch the boarding videos that many of our frequent flyers also wince at. Yes, Mr. Smisek certainly says all the right words; teamwork, satisfied employees, professional service, fair, rewarding, leadership. Then he talks about how we now have “professional management”, and how that improves the lives of everyone that “professional management” touches. Yes, he says the words.
    Then, there is the experience. The employees you are all discussing here have had the following experiences in the past twenty years.
    1. Bought the company with six years and nine months of sacrificed pay.
    1a. Watched the company run into a bankruptcy where all that stock was voided. United is still here, all the operations continue, just new owners and very well paid lawyers. Bankruptcy to nine BILLION dollars in cash in just a few years. We all watched while State Street Bank “protected” us, hanging on to the stock from over $120/sh to $.78/sh. Over two billion dollars was taken from the employees before “professional management” tanked the company. For a reference point, go see what Mr. Arpey had to say about his Board of Directors taking AA into bankruptcy with Bain Capital as their $14 million a MONTH advisors.
    2. My pay is half what I made 14 years ago, about equal to my pay in 1994.
    3. I had to fight to keep my children on my medical insurance after United lost the paperwork they started to “verify” that, after ten years, my children were still my children.
    4. Could not access my Flexible Spending Account due to United vendors changing software on the cheap.
    5. Pass privileges? Please, it’s a painful memory.
    6. Pension, oh yes, taken in bankruptcy.
    7. Payroll accounting-Only United could screw up a peoplesoft product implementation, payroll functioned without one single error for decades, “professional management” can’t fix problems they created six months ago.
    8. Passenger Service-I had the gall to apologize to my 150 passengers for a shares delay of 45 minutes one day. I was asked to write a letter of apology TO MANAGEMENT for mentioning the problem. (I think the videos also say something about being truthful and taking responsibility).
    An army of people who used to WORK at United are gone now, replaced by an army of people who carry clipboards and watches and take notes. They have no idea how to do the work at hand, but by God they are going to make it better, faster, and cheaper. Meanwhile, the folk who actually know the work the best, the ones who DO it, well; tell you what,
    you just fly the airplane, and we’ll run the company.
    Great Job Guys.
    When the employees owned this company, and it was a cooperative effort by a company-wide team of dedicated, committed, engaged, respected (for real, not the words), and supported employees who would tell you how they LOVED United, it was run like a swiss watch. As the article above describes so well, there are companies run this way, by a LEADERSHIP team. At United, we have “professional management” instead. I think you can make your own judgement about the effectiveness of the two.
    Kind of makes you yearn for the days when Airlines (and other companies) were run by folk who loved the business, built it, owned it (I mean EARNED it), and were it it for the long haul. To build a successful business was an honorable thing, today; it’s a quarterly earnings thing, and then off to the next “professional” temporary duty. There were guys like Robert Six, Pat Patterson, C.R. Smith, even Bob Crandall. You didn’t have to love labor to build a service company, you had to love the company and respect the folk who toiled for you. That’s all.
    I used to be the Captain who ran downstairs to make sure the jetway air conditioning was cold and properly hooked up. Who helped the mechanic with the cowling and held the flashlight for him. I used to write notes to MY guests, and thank them for their business. I wrote reports, hundreds of reports, on everything from bad coffee to more efficient taxi techniques.
    No more. I have been told to do my job, and I do my job. My love for aviation has been ground into dust. After 15 years of being lied to, deceived, ignored, blamed falsely; and watching the same mistakes being made over and over again by a “professional management” that never seems to learn from the copious reports of our new “watchers”, I give.
    It’s not an easy thing to do. I am an Eagle Scout, an entrepreneur, and a retired Air Force Officer with over 22 years of service. Those twelve points of the Scout law still mean something to me, especially the first three. I have been in great units and not so great units, and the difference ALWAYS came down to LEADERSHIP. Most (and I will be the first to admit not all) of the employees that you all have been talking about here are desperate. They would give anything to find a LEADER, with a VISION, and a sense of HONOR to lead this company.
    Though I never knew him, I know that Pat Patterson is somewhere crying, perhaps sobbing, as he watches the wonderful company he BUILT OVER DECADES dismantled by a crew of Harvard and Yale trained lawyers. I know I am.
    Please forgive me, I did try to be brief……..

  352. Greenpolymer Avatar

    This story, and these comments, are appalling. I know, and I live this story every day, because I am a United Airlines Captain. I have been with UAL for over 25 years (which means that I was hired AFTER the bitter 1985 strike). As an employee, it is very hard for me to watch the boarding videos that many of our frequent flyers also wince at. Yes, Mr. Smisek certainly says all the right words; teamwork, satisfied employees, professional service, fair, rewarding, leadership. Then he talks about how we now have “professional management”, and how that improves the lives of everyone that “professional management” touches. Yes, he says the words.
    Then, there is the experience. The employees you are all discussing here have had the following experiences in the past twenty years.
    1. Bought the company with six years and nine months of sacrificed pay.
    1a. Watched the company run into a bankruptcy where all that stock was voided. United is still here, all the operations continue, just new owners and very well paid lawyers. Bankruptcy to nine BILLION dollars in cash in just a few years. We all watched while State Street Bank “protected” us, hanging on to the stock from over $120/sh to $.78/sh. Over two billion dollars was taken from the employees before “professional management” tanked the company. For a reference point, go see what Mr. Arpey had to say about his Board of Directors taking AA into bankruptcy with Bain Capital as their $14 million a MONTH advisors.
    2. My pay is half what I made 14 years ago, about equal to my pay in 1994.
    3. I had to fight to keep my children on my medical insurance after United lost the paperwork they started to “verify” that, after ten years, my children were still my children.
    4. Could not access my Flexible Spending Account due to United vendors changing software on the cheap.
    5. Pass privileges? Please, it’s a painful memory.
    6. Pension, oh yes, taken in bankruptcy.
    7. Payroll accounting-Only United could screw up a peoplesoft product implementation, payroll functioned without one single error for decades, “professional management” can’t fix problems they created six months ago.
    8. Passenger Service-I had the gall to apologize to my 150 passengers for a shares delay of 45 minutes one day. I was asked to write a letter of apology TO MANAGEMENT for mentioning the problem. (I think the videos also say something about being truthful and taking responsibility).
    An army of people who used to WORK at United are gone now, replaced by an army of people who carry clipboards and watches and take notes. They have no idea how to do the work at hand, but by God they are going to make it better, faster, and cheaper. Meanwhile, the folk who actually know the work the best, the ones who DO it, well; tell you what,
    you just fly the airplane, and we’ll run the company.
    Great Job Guys.
    When the employees owned this company, and it was a cooperative effort by a company-wide team of dedicated, committed, engaged, respected (for real, not the words), and supported employees who would tell you how they LOVED United, it was run like a swiss watch. As the article above describes so well, there are companies run this way, by a LEADERSHIP team. At United, we have “professional management” instead. I think you can make your own judgement about the effectiveness of the two.
    Kind of makes you yearn for the days when Airlines (and other companies) were run by folk who loved the business, built it, owned it (I mean EARNED it), and were it it for the long haul. To build a successful business was an honorable thing, today; it’s a quarterly earnings thing, and then off to the next “professional” temporary duty. There were guys like Robert Six, Pat Patterson, C.R. Smith, even Bob Crandall. You didn’t have to love labor to build a service company, you had to love the company and respect the folk who toiled for you. That’s all.
    I used to be the Captain who ran downstairs to make sure the jetway air conditioning was cold and properly hooked up. Who helped the mechanic with the cowling and held the flashlight for him. I used to write notes to MY guests, and thank them for their business. I wrote reports, hundreds of reports, on everything from bad coffee to more efficient taxi techniques.
    No more. I have been told to do my job, and I do my job. My love for aviation has been ground into dust. After 15 years of being lied to, deceived, ignored, blamed falsely; and watching the same mistakes being made over and over again by a “professional management” that never seems to learn from the copious reports of our new “watchers”, I give.
    It’s not an easy thing to do. I am an Eagle Scout, an entrepreneur, and a retired Air Force Officer with over 22 years of service. Those twelve points of the Scout law still mean something to me, especially the first three. I have been in great units and not so great units, and the difference ALWAYS came down to LEADERSHIP. Most (and I will be the first to admit not all) of the employees that you all have been talking about here are desperate. They would give anything to find a LEADER, with a VISION, and a sense of HONOR to lead this company.
    Though I never knew him, I know that Pat Patterson is somewhere crying, perhaps sobbing, as he watches the wonderful company he BUILT OVER DECADES dismantled by a crew of Harvard and Yale trained lawyers. I know I am.
    Please forgive me, I did try to be brief……..

  353. Nana A Avatar

    They lost my ELDERLY BLIND mother and didn’t care. I bought her a first class ticket and was told they would provide assistance while she traveled from SFO to GRU (Brazil, where she lives). They picked her up in the plane at JFK and dumped her in the “train” that circles around between terminals. She did not speak a word of English, couldn’t see the signs and was desperate. She was “found” hours later by a good person who helped her to the right terminal. Her luggage arrived in Brazil about a week later, completely soaked. Needless to say, she refuses to come back to the U.S. to visit her grandchildren.

  354. Nana A Avatar

    They lost my ELDERLY BLIND mother and didn’t care. I bought her a first class ticket and was told they would provide assistance while she traveled from SFO to GRU (Brazil, where she lives). They picked her up in the plane at JFK and dumped her in the “train” that circles around between terminals. She did not speak a word of English, couldn’t see the signs and was desperate. She was “found” hours later by a good person who helped her to the right terminal. Her luggage arrived in Brazil about a week later, completely soaked. Needless to say, she refuses to come back to the U.S. to visit her grandchildren.

  355. Nana A Avatar

    They lost my ELDERLY BLIND mother and didn’t care. I bought her a first class ticket and was told they would provide assistance while she traveled from SFO to GRU (Brazil, where she lives). They picked her up in the plane at JFK and dumped her in the “train” that circles around between terminals. She did not speak a word of English, couldn’t see the signs and was desperate. She was “found” hours later by a good person who helped her to the right terminal. Her luggage arrived in Brazil about a week later, completely soaked. Needless to say, she refuses to come back to the U.S. to visit her grandchildren.

  356. Nana A Avatar

    They lost my ELDERLY BLIND mother and didn’t care. I bought her a first class ticket and was told they would provide assistance while she traveled from SFO to GRU (Brazil, where she lives). They picked her up in the plane at JFK and dumped her in the “train” that circles around between terminals. She did not speak a word of English, couldn’t see the signs and was desperate. She was “found” hours later by a good person who helped her to the right terminal. Her luggage arrived in Brazil about a week later, completely soaked. Needless to say, she refuses to come back to the U.S. to visit her grandchildren.

  357. Nana A Avatar

    They lost my ELDERLY BLIND mother and didn’t care. I bought her a first class ticket and was told they would provide assistance while she traveled from SFO to GRU (Brazil, where she lives). They picked her up in the plane at JFK and dumped her in the “train” that circles around between terminals. She did not speak a word of English, couldn’t see the signs and was desperate. She was “found” hours later by a good person who helped her to the right terminal. Her luggage arrived in Brazil about a week later, completely soaked. Needless to say, she refuses to come back to the U.S. to visit her grandchildren.

  358. Nana A Avatar

    They lost my ELDERLY BLIND mother and didn’t care. I bought her a first class ticket and was told they would provide assistance while she traveled from SFO to GRU (Brazil, where she lives). They picked her up in the plane at JFK and dumped her in the “train” that circles around between terminals. She did not speak a word of English, couldn’t see the signs and was desperate. She was “found” hours later by a good person who helped her to the right terminal. Her luggage arrived in Brazil about a week later, completely soaked. Needless to say, she refuses to come back to the U.S. to visit her grandchildren.

  359. Nana A Avatar

    They lost my ELDERLY BLIND mother and didn’t care. I bought her a first class ticket and was told they would provide assistance while she traveled from SFO to GRU (Brazil, where she lives). They picked her up in the plane at JFK and dumped her in the “train” that circles around between terminals. She did not speak a word of English, couldn’t see the signs and was desperate. She was “found” hours later by a good person who helped her to the right terminal. Her luggage arrived in Brazil about a week later, completely soaked. Needless to say, she refuses to come back to the U.S. to visit her grandchildren.

  360. Nana A Avatar

    They lost my ELDERLY BLIND mother and didn’t care. I bought her a first class ticket and was told they would provide assistance while she traveled from SFO to GRU (Brazil, where she lives). They picked her up in the plane at JFK and dumped her in the “train” that circles around between terminals. She did not speak a word of English, couldn’t see the signs and was desperate. She was “found” hours later by a good person who helped her to the right terminal. Her luggage arrived in Brazil about a week later, completely soaked. Needless to say, she refuses to come back to the U.S. to visit her grandchildren.

  361. Bbosinger Avatar

    I have been vocally boycotting UAL for years~ in 1990 they royally screwed up a flight I was on from Boston to Osaka~ I’m happy to see that people are finally taking it seriously that they are a seriously messed up company!

  362. Bbosinger Avatar

    I have been vocally boycotting UAL for years~ in 1990 they royally screwed up a flight I was on from Boston to Osaka~ I’m happy to see that people are finally taking it seriously that they are a seriously messed up company!

  363. Bbosinger Avatar

    I have been vocally boycotting UAL for years~ in 1990 they royally screwed up a flight I was on from Boston to Osaka~ I’m happy to see that people are finally taking it seriously that they are a seriously messed up company!

  364. Bbosinger Avatar

    I have been vocally boycotting UAL for years~ in 1990 they royally screwed up a flight I was on from Boston to Osaka~ I’m happy to see that people are finally taking it seriously that they are a seriously messed up company!

  365. Bbosinger Avatar

    I have been vocally boycotting UAL for years~ in 1990 they royally screwed up a flight I was on from Boston to Osaka~ I’m happy to see that people are finally taking it seriously that they are a seriously messed up company!

  366. Bbosinger Avatar

    I have been vocally boycotting UAL for years~ in 1990 they royally screwed up a flight I was on from Boston to Osaka~ I’m happy to see that people are finally taking it seriously that they are a seriously messed up company!

  367. Bbosinger Avatar

    I have been vocally boycotting UAL for years~ in 1990 they royally screwed up a flight I was on from Boston to Osaka~ I’m happy to see that people are finally taking it seriously that they are a seriously messed up company!

  368. Bbosinger Avatar

    I have been vocally boycotting UAL for years~ in 1990 they royally screwed up a flight I was on from Boston to Osaka~ I’m happy to see that people are finally taking it seriously that they are a seriously messed up company!

  369. Tualha Avatar

    Say Bob, could you save that letter as a PDF and link to that instead? Not everyone has MS Word. Thanks.

  370. Tualha Avatar

    Say Bob, could you save that letter as a PDF and link to that instead? Not everyone has MS Word. Thanks.

  371. Tualha Avatar

    Say Bob, could you save that letter as a PDF and link to that instead? Not everyone has MS Word. Thanks.

  372. Tualha Avatar

    Say Bob, could you save that letter as a PDF and link to that instead? Not everyone has MS Word. Thanks.

  373. Tualha Avatar

    Say Bob, could you save that letter as a PDF and link to that instead? Not everyone has MS Word. Thanks.

  374. Tualha Avatar

    Say Bob, could you save that letter as a PDF and link to that instead? Not everyone has MS Word. Thanks.

  375. Tualha Avatar

    Say Bob, could you save that letter as a PDF and link to that instead? Not everyone has MS Word. Thanks.

  376. Tualha Avatar

    Say Bob, could you save that letter as a PDF and link to that instead? Not everyone has MS Word. Thanks.

  377. Agerhardt Avatar

    I think it is highly appropriate that this story is relayed by Bob Sutton. The negative culture at United described in the story is real. Too many people have witnessed it and felt it, and it is like a cancer in a once great airline. I cannot help but think that it has some effect on safety. No matter how good or how dedicated individual employees may be, the culture is so corrosive that I do not have faith that near misses will be corrected by internal mechanisms. Other airlines have also “lost” children, but the fact is that the same sloppiness and bureaucratic anonymity that is exemplified in this story spreads until the entire system is broken. As any pilot can tell you, many mistakes are made before an accident happens, and as an outsider, and as a passenger, I see mistakes being made in too many places to be able feel comfortable flying United. It’s not about vindictiveness or pride when I say I won’t fly United. It’s about an organization losing its’ way in an extremely complex and high risk/high consequence industry. Moving millions of people millions of miles is not an easy thing to do, and everyone in the organization is responsible for not just their job, but the entire operation. Problems and dangers arise outside the boundaries of people’s job descriptions and when no one intervenes (as with Phoebe) because that is not in the culture of the organization these problems and dangers will cascade through the system in unpredictable ways. Leadership is so important here, and I am sure heads will roll on the part of the worker bees, but I doubt there will be much of a change in leadership. They see themselves as eminently competent and will fail to recognize this scenario as a failure on their part. In an organization with 80k plus employees I suspect the leadership is very well insulated, and that is where the change needs to happen. The culture won’t change until that happens, and as good as the pilots and other committed employees are, they cannot pick up after everyone else.

  378. Agerhardt Avatar

    I think it is highly appropriate that this story is relayed by Bob Sutton. The negative culture at United described in the story is real. Too many people have witnessed it and felt it, and it is like a cancer in a once great airline. I cannot help but think that it has some effect on safety. No matter how good or how dedicated individual employees may be, the culture is so corrosive that I do not have faith that near misses will be corrected by internal mechanisms. Other airlines have also “lost” children, but the fact is that the same sloppiness and bureaucratic anonymity that is exemplified in this story spreads until the entire system is broken. As any pilot can tell you, many mistakes are made before an accident happens, and as an outsider, and as a passenger, I see mistakes being made in too many places to be able feel comfortable flying United. It’s not about vindictiveness or pride when I say I won’t fly United. It’s about an organization losing its’ way in an extremely complex and high risk/high consequence industry. Moving millions of people millions of miles is not an easy thing to do, and everyone in the organization is responsible for not just their job, but the entire operation. Problems and dangers arise outside the boundaries of people’s job descriptions and when no one intervenes (as with Phoebe) because that is not in the culture of the organization these problems and dangers will cascade through the system in unpredictable ways. Leadership is so important here, and I am sure heads will roll on the part of the worker bees, but I doubt there will be much of a change in leadership. They see themselves as eminently competent and will fail to recognize this scenario as a failure on their part. In an organization with 80k plus employees I suspect the leadership is very well insulated, and that is where the change needs to happen. The culture won’t change until that happens, and as good as the pilots and other committed employees are, they cannot pick up after everyone else.

  379. Agerhardt Avatar

    I think it is highly appropriate that this story is relayed by Bob Sutton. The negative culture at United described in the story is real. Too many people have witnessed it and felt it, and it is like a cancer in a once great airline. I cannot help but think that it has some effect on safety. No matter how good or how dedicated individual employees may be, the culture is so corrosive that I do not have faith that near misses will be corrected by internal mechanisms. Other airlines have also “lost” children, but the fact is that the same sloppiness and bureaucratic anonymity that is exemplified in this story spreads until the entire system is broken. As any pilot can tell you, many mistakes are made before an accident happens, and as an outsider, and as a passenger, I see mistakes being made in too many places to be able feel comfortable flying United. It’s not about vindictiveness or pride when I say I won’t fly United. It’s about an organization losing its’ way in an extremely complex and high risk/high consequence industry. Moving millions of people millions of miles is not an easy thing to do, and everyone in the organization is responsible for not just their job, but the entire operation. Problems and dangers arise outside the boundaries of people’s job descriptions and when no one intervenes (as with Phoebe) because that is not in the culture of the organization these problems and dangers will cascade through the system in unpredictable ways. Leadership is so important here, and I am sure heads will roll on the part of the worker bees, but I doubt there will be much of a change in leadership. They see themselves as eminently competent and will fail to recognize this scenario as a failure on their part. In an organization with 80k plus employees I suspect the leadership is very well insulated, and that is where the change needs to happen. The culture won’t change until that happens, and as good as the pilots and other committed employees are, they cannot pick up after everyone else.

  380. Agerhardt Avatar

    I think it is highly appropriate that this story is relayed by Bob Sutton. The negative culture at United described in the story is real. Too many people have witnessed it and felt it, and it is like a cancer in a once great airline. I cannot help but think that it has some effect on safety. No matter how good or how dedicated individual employees may be, the culture is so corrosive that I do not have faith that near misses will be corrected by internal mechanisms. Other airlines have also “lost” children, but the fact is that the same sloppiness and bureaucratic anonymity that is exemplified in this story spreads until the entire system is broken. As any pilot can tell you, many mistakes are made before an accident happens, and as an outsider, and as a passenger, I see mistakes being made in too many places to be able feel comfortable flying United. It’s not about vindictiveness or pride when I say I won’t fly United. It’s about an organization losing its’ way in an extremely complex and high risk/high consequence industry. Moving millions of people millions of miles is not an easy thing to do, and everyone in the organization is responsible for not just their job, but the entire operation. Problems and dangers arise outside the boundaries of people’s job descriptions and when no one intervenes (as with Phoebe) because that is not in the culture of the organization these problems and dangers will cascade through the system in unpredictable ways. Leadership is so important here, and I am sure heads will roll on the part of the worker bees, but I doubt there will be much of a change in leadership. They see themselves as eminently competent and will fail to recognize this scenario as a failure on their part. In an organization with 80k plus employees I suspect the leadership is very well insulated, and that is where the change needs to happen. The culture won’t change until that happens, and as good as the pilots and other committed employees are, they cannot pick up after everyone else.

  381. Agerhardt Avatar

    I think it is highly appropriate that this story is relayed by Bob Sutton. The negative culture at United described in the story is real. Too many people have witnessed it and felt it, and it is like a cancer in a once great airline. I cannot help but think that it has some effect on safety. No matter how good or how dedicated individual employees may be, the culture is so corrosive that I do not have faith that near misses will be corrected by internal mechanisms. Other airlines have also “lost” children, but the fact is that the same sloppiness and bureaucratic anonymity that is exemplified in this story spreads until the entire system is broken. As any pilot can tell you, many mistakes are made before an accident happens, and as an outsider, and as a passenger, I see mistakes being made in too many places to be able feel comfortable flying United. It’s not about vindictiveness or pride when I say I won’t fly United. It’s about an organization losing its’ way in an extremely complex and high risk/high consequence industry. Moving millions of people millions of miles is not an easy thing to do, and everyone in the organization is responsible for not just their job, but the entire operation. Problems and dangers arise outside the boundaries of people’s job descriptions and when no one intervenes (as with Phoebe) because that is not in the culture of the organization these problems and dangers will cascade through the system in unpredictable ways. Leadership is so important here, and I am sure heads will roll on the part of the worker bees, but I doubt there will be much of a change in leadership. They see themselves as eminently competent and will fail to recognize this scenario as a failure on their part. In an organization with 80k plus employees I suspect the leadership is very well insulated, and that is where the change needs to happen. The culture won’t change until that happens, and as good as the pilots and other committed employees are, they cannot pick up after everyone else.

  382. Agerhardt Avatar

    I think it is highly appropriate that this story is relayed by Bob Sutton. The negative culture at United described in the story is real. Too many people have witnessed it and felt it, and it is like a cancer in a once great airline. I cannot help but think that it has some effect on safety. No matter how good or how dedicated individual employees may be, the culture is so corrosive that I do not have faith that near misses will be corrected by internal mechanisms. Other airlines have also “lost” children, but the fact is that the same sloppiness and bureaucratic anonymity that is exemplified in this story spreads until the entire system is broken. As any pilot can tell you, many mistakes are made before an accident happens, and as an outsider, and as a passenger, I see mistakes being made in too many places to be able feel comfortable flying United. It’s not about vindictiveness or pride when I say I won’t fly United. It’s about an organization losing its’ way in an extremely complex and high risk/high consequence industry. Moving millions of people millions of miles is not an easy thing to do, and everyone in the organization is responsible for not just their job, but the entire operation. Problems and dangers arise outside the boundaries of people’s job descriptions and when no one intervenes (as with Phoebe) because that is not in the culture of the organization these problems and dangers will cascade through the system in unpredictable ways. Leadership is so important here, and I am sure heads will roll on the part of the worker bees, but I doubt there will be much of a change in leadership. They see themselves as eminently competent and will fail to recognize this scenario as a failure on their part. In an organization with 80k plus employees I suspect the leadership is very well insulated, and that is where the change needs to happen. The culture won’t change until that happens, and as good as the pilots and other committed employees are, they cannot pick up after everyone else.

  383. Agerhardt Avatar

    I think it is highly appropriate that this story is relayed by Bob Sutton. The negative culture at United described in the story is real. Too many people have witnessed it and felt it, and it is like a cancer in a once great airline. I cannot help but think that it has some effect on safety. No matter how good or how dedicated individual employees may be, the culture is so corrosive that I do not have faith that near misses will be corrected by internal mechanisms. Other airlines have also “lost” children, but the fact is that the same sloppiness and bureaucratic anonymity that is exemplified in this story spreads until the entire system is broken. As any pilot can tell you, many mistakes are made before an accident happens, and as an outsider, and as a passenger, I see mistakes being made in too many places to be able feel comfortable flying United. It’s not about vindictiveness or pride when I say I won’t fly United. It’s about an organization losing its’ way in an extremely complex and high risk/high consequence industry. Moving millions of people millions of miles is not an easy thing to do, and everyone in the organization is responsible for not just their job, but the entire operation. Problems and dangers arise outside the boundaries of people’s job descriptions and when no one intervenes (as with Phoebe) because that is not in the culture of the organization these problems and dangers will cascade through the system in unpredictable ways. Leadership is so important here, and I am sure heads will roll on the part of the worker bees, but I doubt there will be much of a change in leadership. They see themselves as eminently competent and will fail to recognize this scenario as a failure on their part. In an organization with 80k plus employees I suspect the leadership is very well insulated, and that is where the change needs to happen. The culture won’t change until that happens, and as good as the pilots and other committed employees are, they cannot pick up after everyone else.

  384. Agerhardt Avatar

    I think it is highly appropriate that this story is relayed by Bob Sutton. The negative culture at United described in the story is real. Too many people have witnessed it and felt it, and it is like a cancer in a once great airline. I cannot help but think that it has some effect on safety. No matter how good or how dedicated individual employees may be, the culture is so corrosive that I do not have faith that near misses will be corrected by internal mechanisms. Other airlines have also “lost” children, but the fact is that the same sloppiness and bureaucratic anonymity that is exemplified in this story spreads until the entire system is broken. As any pilot can tell you, many mistakes are made before an accident happens, and as an outsider, and as a passenger, I see mistakes being made in too many places to be able feel comfortable flying United. It’s not about vindictiveness or pride when I say I won’t fly United. It’s about an organization losing its’ way in an extremely complex and high risk/high consequence industry. Moving millions of people millions of miles is not an easy thing to do, and everyone in the organization is responsible for not just their job, but the entire operation. Problems and dangers arise outside the boundaries of people’s job descriptions and when no one intervenes (as with Phoebe) because that is not in the culture of the organization these problems and dangers will cascade through the system in unpredictable ways. Leadership is so important here, and I am sure heads will roll on the part of the worker bees, but I doubt there will be much of a change in leadership. They see themselves as eminently competent and will fail to recognize this scenario as a failure on their part. In an organization with 80k plus employees I suspect the leadership is very well insulated, and that is where the change needs to happen. The culture won’t change until that happens, and as good as the pilots and other committed employees are, they cannot pick up after everyone else.

  385. jik Avatar

    Ridsel wrote: I don’t wish to defend United at all, but I do wish to suggest that we (the flying public) are part of the reason that their employees are so disengaged. I regularly see passengers yelling and screaming at United employees when a flight is delayed…
    I think you’ve got the cause and effect mixed up. I’m sure there are a few people out there who will scream and yell and carry on no matter how well they are treated. But in most cases, the yelling and screaming is the result of how people are treated, not the cause of it.
    You’re absolutely right that United employees have little control over what they can and cannot do to mitigate the way their airline abuses its customers. However, what they do have control over is the way they give bad news.
    They can be sincerely apologetic and empathetic, or they can spend a half hour talking to their coworkers instead of helping the growing line of desperate passengers, rolling their eyes at people who are upset, telling them to go away, and making it clear in a myriad of ways that they have zero sympathy and what they’d really like is for everyone just to go away and leave them alone.
    I’m sure it’s a thankless job. I’m sure the people in it have a ton of abuse heaped upon them for things that are not under their control. But they are choosing to be part of that system, and “I’m just following orders” does not cancel out their culpability for treating people like garbage.
    It is also worth mentioning Bob’s story about strategic temper tantrums in The No Asshole Rule, which he retells in a blog entry at http://bobsutton.typepad.com/my_weblog/2010/06/strategic-use-of-swearing-in-the-workplace.html . As he establishes there, it’s a well-known fact that sometimes the only way you can get an airline employee to pay attention to you is to tell, scream and swear.

  386. jik Avatar

    Ridsel wrote: I don’t wish to defend United at all, but I do wish to suggest that we (the flying public) are part of the reason that their employees are so disengaged. I regularly see passengers yelling and screaming at United employees when a flight is delayed…
    I think you’ve got the cause and effect mixed up. I’m sure there are a few people out there who will scream and yell and carry on no matter how well they are treated. But in most cases, the yelling and screaming is the result of how people are treated, not the cause of it.
    You’re absolutely right that United employees have little control over what they can and cannot do to mitigate the way their airline abuses its customers. However, what they do have control over is the way they give bad news.
    They can be sincerely apologetic and empathetic, or they can spend a half hour talking to their coworkers instead of helping the growing line of desperate passengers, rolling their eyes at people who are upset, telling them to go away, and making it clear in a myriad of ways that they have zero sympathy and what they’d really like is for everyone just to go away and leave them alone.
    I’m sure it’s a thankless job. I’m sure the people in it have a ton of abuse heaped upon them for things that are not under their control. But they are choosing to be part of that system, and “I’m just following orders” does not cancel out their culpability for treating people like garbage.
    It is also worth mentioning Bob’s story about strategic temper tantrums in The No Asshole Rule, which he retells in a blog entry at http://bobsutton.typepad.com/my_weblog/2010/06/strategic-use-of-swearing-in-the-workplace.html . As he establishes there, it’s a well-known fact that sometimes the only way you can get an airline employee to pay attention to you is to tell, scream and swear.

  387. jik Avatar

    Ridsel wrote: I don’t wish to defend United at all, but I do wish to suggest that we (the flying public) are part of the reason that their employees are so disengaged. I regularly see passengers yelling and screaming at United employees when a flight is delayed…
    I think you’ve got the cause and effect mixed up. I’m sure there are a few people out there who will scream and yell and carry on no matter how well they are treated. But in most cases, the yelling and screaming is the result of how people are treated, not the cause of it.
    You’re absolutely right that United employees have little control over what they can and cannot do to mitigate the way their airline abuses its customers. However, what they do have control over is the way they give bad news.
    They can be sincerely apologetic and empathetic, or they can spend a half hour talking to their coworkers instead of helping the growing line of desperate passengers, rolling their eyes at people who are upset, telling them to go away, and making it clear in a myriad of ways that they have zero sympathy and what they’d really like is for everyone just to go away and leave them alone.
    I’m sure it’s a thankless job. I’m sure the people in it have a ton of abuse heaped upon them for things that are not under their control. But they are choosing to be part of that system, and “I’m just following orders” does not cancel out their culpability for treating people like garbage.
    It is also worth mentioning Bob’s story about strategic temper tantrums in The No Asshole Rule, which he retells in a blog entry at http://bobsutton.typepad.com/my_weblog/2010/06/strategic-use-of-swearing-in-the-workplace.html . As he establishes there, it’s a well-known fact that sometimes the only way you can get an airline employee to pay attention to you is to tell, scream and swear.

  388. jik Avatar

    Ridsel wrote: I don’t wish to defend United at all, but I do wish to suggest that we (the flying public) are part of the reason that their employees are so disengaged. I regularly see passengers yelling and screaming at United employees when a flight is delayed…
    I think you’ve got the cause and effect mixed up. I’m sure there are a few people out there who will scream and yell and carry on no matter how well they are treated. But in most cases, the yelling and screaming is the result of how people are treated, not the cause of it.
    You’re absolutely right that United employees have little control over what they can and cannot do to mitigate the way their airline abuses its customers. However, what they do have control over is the way they give bad news.
    They can be sincerely apologetic and empathetic, or they can spend a half hour talking to their coworkers instead of helping the growing line of desperate passengers, rolling their eyes at people who are upset, telling them to go away, and making it clear in a myriad of ways that they have zero sympathy and what they’d really like is for everyone just to go away and leave them alone.
    I’m sure it’s a thankless job. I’m sure the people in it have a ton of abuse heaped upon them for things that are not under their control. But they are choosing to be part of that system, and “I’m just following orders” does not cancel out their culpability for treating people like garbage.
    It is also worth mentioning Bob’s story about strategic temper tantrums in The No Asshole Rule, which he retells in a blog entry at http://bobsutton.typepad.com/my_weblog/2010/06/strategic-use-of-swearing-in-the-workplace.html . As he establishes there, it’s a well-known fact that sometimes the only way you can get an airline employee to pay attention to you is to tell, scream and swear.

  389. jik Avatar

    Ridsel wrote: I don’t wish to defend United at all, but I do wish to suggest that we (the flying public) are part of the reason that their employees are so disengaged. I regularly see passengers yelling and screaming at United employees when a flight is delayed…
    I think you’ve got the cause and effect mixed up. I’m sure there are a few people out there who will scream and yell and carry on no matter how well they are treated. But in most cases, the yelling and screaming is the result of how people are treated, not the cause of it.
    You’re absolutely right that United employees have little control over what they can and cannot do to mitigate the way their airline abuses its customers. However, what they do have control over is the way they give bad news.
    They can be sincerely apologetic and empathetic, or they can spend a half hour talking to their coworkers instead of helping the growing line of desperate passengers, rolling their eyes at people who are upset, telling them to go away, and making it clear in a myriad of ways that they have zero sympathy and what they’d really like is for everyone just to go away and leave them alone.
    I’m sure it’s a thankless job. I’m sure the people in it have a ton of abuse heaped upon them for things that are not under their control. But they are choosing to be part of that system, and “I’m just following orders” does not cancel out their culpability for treating people like garbage.
    It is also worth mentioning Bob’s story about strategic temper tantrums in The No Asshole Rule, which he retells in a blog entry at http://bobsutton.typepad.com/my_weblog/2010/06/strategic-use-of-swearing-in-the-workplace.html . As he establishes there, it’s a well-known fact that sometimes the only way you can get an airline employee to pay attention to you is to tell, scream and swear.

  390. jik Avatar

    Ridsel wrote: I don’t wish to defend United at all, but I do wish to suggest that we (the flying public) are part of the reason that their employees are so disengaged. I regularly see passengers yelling and screaming at United employees when a flight is delayed…
    I think you’ve got the cause and effect mixed up. I’m sure there are a few people out there who will scream and yell and carry on no matter how well they are treated. But in most cases, the yelling and screaming is the result of how people are treated, not the cause of it.
    You’re absolutely right that United employees have little control over what they can and cannot do to mitigate the way their airline abuses its customers. However, what they do have control over is the way they give bad news.
    They can be sincerely apologetic and empathetic, or they can spend a half hour talking to their coworkers instead of helping the growing line of desperate passengers, rolling their eyes at people who are upset, telling them to go away, and making it clear in a myriad of ways that they have zero sympathy and what they’d really like is for everyone just to go away and leave them alone.
    I’m sure it’s a thankless job. I’m sure the people in it have a ton of abuse heaped upon them for things that are not under their control. But they are choosing to be part of that system, and “I’m just following orders” does not cancel out their culpability for treating people like garbage.
    It is also worth mentioning Bob’s story about strategic temper tantrums in The No Asshole Rule, which he retells in a blog entry at http://bobsutton.typepad.com/my_weblog/2010/06/strategic-use-of-swearing-in-the-workplace.html . As he establishes there, it’s a well-known fact that sometimes the only way you can get an airline employee to pay attention to you is to tell, scream and swear.

  391. jik Avatar

    Ridsel wrote: I don’t wish to defend United at all, but I do wish to suggest that we (the flying public) are part of the reason that their employees are so disengaged. I regularly see passengers yelling and screaming at United employees when a flight is delayed…
    I think you’ve got the cause and effect mixed up. I’m sure there are a few people out there who will scream and yell and carry on no matter how well they are treated. But in most cases, the yelling and screaming is the result of how people are treated, not the cause of it.
    You’re absolutely right that United employees have little control over what they can and cannot do to mitigate the way their airline abuses its customers. However, what they do have control over is the way they give bad news.
    They can be sincerely apologetic and empathetic, or they can spend a half hour talking to their coworkers instead of helping the growing line of desperate passengers, rolling their eyes at people who are upset, telling them to go away, and making it clear in a myriad of ways that they have zero sympathy and what they’d really like is for everyone just to go away and leave them alone.
    I’m sure it’s a thankless job. I’m sure the people in it have a ton of abuse heaped upon them for things that are not under their control. But they are choosing to be part of that system, and “I’m just following orders” does not cancel out their culpability for treating people like garbage.
    It is also worth mentioning Bob’s story about strategic temper tantrums in The No Asshole Rule, which he retells in a blog entry at http://bobsutton.typepad.com/my_weblog/2010/06/strategic-use-of-swearing-in-the-workplace.html . As he establishes there, it’s a well-known fact that sometimes the only way you can get an airline employee to pay attention to you is to tell, scream and swear.

  392. jik Avatar

    Ridsel wrote: I don’t wish to defend United at all, but I do wish to suggest that we (the flying public) are part of the reason that their employees are so disengaged. I regularly see passengers yelling and screaming at United employees when a flight is delayed…
    I think you’ve got the cause and effect mixed up. I’m sure there are a few people out there who will scream and yell and carry on no matter how well they are treated. But in most cases, the yelling and screaming is the result of how people are treated, not the cause of it.
    You’re absolutely right that United employees have little control over what they can and cannot do to mitigate the way their airline abuses its customers. However, what they do have control over is the way they give bad news.
    They can be sincerely apologetic and empathetic, or they can spend a half hour talking to their coworkers instead of helping the growing line of desperate passengers, rolling their eyes at people who are upset, telling them to go away, and making it clear in a myriad of ways that they have zero sympathy and what they’d really like is for everyone just to go away and leave them alone.
    I’m sure it’s a thankless job. I’m sure the people in it have a ton of abuse heaped upon them for things that are not under their control. But they are choosing to be part of that system, and “I’m just following orders” does not cancel out their culpability for treating people like garbage.
    It is also worth mentioning Bob’s story about strategic temper tantrums in The No Asshole Rule, which he retells in a blog entry at http://bobsutton.typepad.com/my_weblog/2010/06/strategic-use-of-swearing-in-the-workplace.html . As he establishes there, it’s a well-known fact that sometimes the only way you can get an airline employee to pay attention to you is to tell, scream and swear.

  393. Heuristocrat Avatar

    We’ve all had bad experiences with airlines but in the past few months I’ve noticed *far* more horror stories from friends about United. That was before I saw this story and the many comments.
    It’s a dismal situation and I wonder what, if anything can fix it. United summarily canceled by 100K or so accumulated miles years ago because they “expired” so I haven’t flown them in over a decade.
    I think this is another example of where letting capitalists/stock price dictate everything the end result is some well fed lawyers and accountants walking away from a hollowed out remains of a real organization.
    As the author points out SouthWest, Virgin, JetBlue and a daresay even Air France do a pretty good job of understanding that they are there to provide a service.

  394. Heuristocrat Avatar

    We’ve all had bad experiences with airlines but in the past few months I’ve noticed *far* more horror stories from friends about United. That was before I saw this story and the many comments.
    It’s a dismal situation and I wonder what, if anything can fix it. United summarily canceled by 100K or so accumulated miles years ago because they “expired” so I haven’t flown them in over a decade.
    I think this is another example of where letting capitalists/stock price dictate everything the end result is some well fed lawyers and accountants walking away from a hollowed out remains of a real organization.
    As the author points out SouthWest, Virgin, JetBlue and a daresay even Air France do a pretty good job of understanding that they are there to provide a service.

  395. Heuristocrat Avatar

    We’ve all had bad experiences with airlines but in the past few months I’ve noticed *far* more horror stories from friends about United. That was before I saw this story and the many comments.
    It’s a dismal situation and I wonder what, if anything can fix it. United summarily canceled by 100K or so accumulated miles years ago because they “expired” so I haven’t flown them in over a decade.
    I think this is another example of where letting capitalists/stock price dictate everything the end result is some well fed lawyers and accountants walking away from a hollowed out remains of a real organization.
    As the author points out SouthWest, Virgin, JetBlue and a daresay even Air France do a pretty good job of understanding that they are there to provide a service.

  396. Heuristocrat Avatar

    We’ve all had bad experiences with airlines but in the past few months I’ve noticed *far* more horror stories from friends about United. That was before I saw this story and the many comments.
    It’s a dismal situation and I wonder what, if anything can fix it. United summarily canceled by 100K or so accumulated miles years ago because they “expired” so I haven’t flown them in over a decade.
    I think this is another example of where letting capitalists/stock price dictate everything the end result is some well fed lawyers and accountants walking away from a hollowed out remains of a real organization.
    As the author points out SouthWest, Virgin, JetBlue and a daresay even Air France do a pretty good job of understanding that they are there to provide a service.

  397. Heuristocrat Avatar

    We’ve all had bad experiences with airlines but in the past few months I’ve noticed *far* more horror stories from friends about United. That was before I saw this story and the many comments.
    It’s a dismal situation and I wonder what, if anything can fix it. United summarily canceled by 100K or so accumulated miles years ago because they “expired” so I haven’t flown them in over a decade.
    I think this is another example of where letting capitalists/stock price dictate everything the end result is some well fed lawyers and accountants walking away from a hollowed out remains of a real organization.
    As the author points out SouthWest, Virgin, JetBlue and a daresay even Air France do a pretty good job of understanding that they are there to provide a service.

  398. Heuristocrat Avatar

    We’ve all had bad experiences with airlines but in the past few months I’ve noticed *far* more horror stories from friends about United. That was before I saw this story and the many comments.
    It’s a dismal situation and I wonder what, if anything can fix it. United summarily canceled by 100K or so accumulated miles years ago because they “expired” so I haven’t flown them in over a decade.
    I think this is another example of where letting capitalists/stock price dictate everything the end result is some well fed lawyers and accountants walking away from a hollowed out remains of a real organization.
    As the author points out SouthWest, Virgin, JetBlue and a daresay even Air France do a pretty good job of understanding that they are there to provide a service.

  399. Heuristocrat Avatar

    We’ve all had bad experiences with airlines but in the past few months I’ve noticed *far* more horror stories from friends about United. That was before I saw this story and the many comments.
    It’s a dismal situation and I wonder what, if anything can fix it. United summarily canceled by 100K or so accumulated miles years ago because they “expired” so I haven’t flown them in over a decade.
    I think this is another example of where letting capitalists/stock price dictate everything the end result is some well fed lawyers and accountants walking away from a hollowed out remains of a real organization.
    As the author points out SouthWest, Virgin, JetBlue and a daresay even Air France do a pretty good job of understanding that they are there to provide a service.

  400. Heuristocrat Avatar

    We’ve all had bad experiences with airlines but in the past few months I’ve noticed *far* more horror stories from friends about United. That was before I saw this story and the many comments.
    It’s a dismal situation and I wonder what, if anything can fix it. United summarily canceled by 100K or so accumulated miles years ago because they “expired” so I haven’t flown them in over a decade.
    I think this is another example of where letting capitalists/stock price dictate everything the end result is some well fed lawyers and accountants walking away from a hollowed out remains of a real organization.
    As the author points out SouthWest, Virgin, JetBlue and a daresay even Air France do a pretty good job of understanding that they are there to provide a service.

  401. Sapintel Avatar

    Dr Sutton, I would like you to comment – has the USA allowed United to grow to such an oligopolistic scale, that travelers are essentially unable to ‘vote with their wallet’ and choose another airline? If so, what do you suggest should be done differently in evaluating airline mergers? And if airline oligopolies lend themselves to horrible and unaccountable customer service, what about TBTF banks? Thank you.

  402. Sapintel Avatar

    Dr Sutton, I would like you to comment – has the USA allowed United to grow to such an oligopolistic scale, that travelers are essentially unable to ‘vote with their wallet’ and choose another airline? If so, what do you suggest should be done differently in evaluating airline mergers? And if airline oligopolies lend themselves to horrible and unaccountable customer service, what about TBTF banks? Thank you.

  403. Sapintel Avatar

    Dr Sutton, I would like you to comment – has the USA allowed United to grow to such an oligopolistic scale, that travelers are essentially unable to ‘vote with their wallet’ and choose another airline? If so, what do you suggest should be done differently in evaluating airline mergers? And if airline oligopolies lend themselves to horrible and unaccountable customer service, what about TBTF banks? Thank you.

  404. Sapintel Avatar

    Dr Sutton, I would like you to comment – has the USA allowed United to grow to such an oligopolistic scale, that travelers are essentially unable to ‘vote with their wallet’ and choose another airline? If so, what do you suggest should be done differently in evaluating airline mergers? And if airline oligopolies lend themselves to horrible and unaccountable customer service, what about TBTF banks? Thank you.

  405. Sapintel Avatar

    Dr Sutton, I would like you to comment – has the USA allowed United to grow to such an oligopolistic scale, that travelers are essentially unable to ‘vote with their wallet’ and choose another airline? If so, what do you suggest should be done differently in evaluating airline mergers? And if airline oligopolies lend themselves to horrible and unaccountable customer service, what about TBTF banks? Thank you.

  406. Sapintel Avatar

    Dr Sutton, I would like you to comment – has the USA allowed United to grow to such an oligopolistic scale, that travelers are essentially unable to ‘vote with their wallet’ and choose another airline? If so, what do you suggest should be done differently in evaluating airline mergers? And if airline oligopolies lend themselves to horrible and unaccountable customer service, what about TBTF banks? Thank you.

  407. Sapintel Avatar

    Dr Sutton, I would like you to comment – has the USA allowed United to grow to such an oligopolistic scale, that travelers are essentially unable to ‘vote with their wallet’ and choose another airline? If so, what do you suggest should be done differently in evaluating airline mergers? And if airline oligopolies lend themselves to horrible and unaccountable customer service, what about TBTF banks? Thank you.

  408. Sapintel Avatar

    Dr Sutton, I would like you to comment – has the USA allowed United to grow to such an oligopolistic scale, that travelers are essentially unable to ‘vote with their wallet’ and choose another airline? If so, what do you suggest should be done differently in evaluating airline mergers? And if airline oligopolies lend themselves to horrible and unaccountable customer service, what about TBTF banks? Thank you.

  409. Ellen Sandbeck Avatar

    United Airlines lost Addie, her French teacher, and her entire HIgh School French Club group (twenty kids) on their way back from France quite a few years ago. When parents got to the airport to pick our kids up, we were told: “That flight doesn’t exist,” and then they shut the door in our faces. It took hours for us to finally find someone who told us that our kids were stuck in Chicago, and after waiting several more hours, running back and forth between various gates, expecting our kids to arrive on various flights that we were told they might arrive on, we were told we had to come back the next morning. The next morning and afternoon, no kids, finally they started coming in ones and twos on various flights, in the evening. It turned out that the kids had been told, after they were shut out of their originally scheduled flight, that they needed to get to one gate or another immediately, in order to catch a flight, so they’d been running back and forth across O’Hare for hours both days, trying to get home. I would NEVER fly United if I could possibly avoid it! Needless to say, we never used the ridiculous voucher we were given as compensation.

  410. Ellen Sandbeck Avatar

    United Airlines lost Addie, her French teacher, and her entire HIgh School French Club group (twenty kids) on their way back from France quite a few years ago. When parents got to the airport to pick our kids up, we were told: “That flight doesn’t exist,” and then they shut the door in our faces. It took hours for us to finally find someone who told us that our kids were stuck in Chicago, and after waiting several more hours, running back and forth between various gates, expecting our kids to arrive on various flights that we were told they might arrive on, we were told we had to come back the next morning. The next morning and afternoon, no kids, finally they started coming in ones and twos on various flights, in the evening. It turned out that the kids had been told, after they were shut out of their originally scheduled flight, that they needed to get to one gate or another immediately, in order to catch a flight, so they’d been running back and forth across O’Hare for hours both days, trying to get home. I would NEVER fly United if I could possibly avoid it! Needless to say, we never used the ridiculous voucher we were given as compensation.

  411. Ellen Sandbeck Avatar

    United Airlines lost Addie, her French teacher, and her entire HIgh School French Club group (twenty kids) on their way back from France quite a few years ago. When parents got to the airport to pick our kids up, we were told: “That flight doesn’t exist,” and then they shut the door in our faces. It took hours for us to finally find someone who told us that our kids were stuck in Chicago, and after waiting several more hours, running back and forth between various gates, expecting our kids to arrive on various flights that we were told they might arrive on, we were told we had to come back the next morning. The next morning and afternoon, no kids, finally they started coming in ones and twos on various flights, in the evening. It turned out that the kids had been told, after they were shut out of their originally scheduled flight, that they needed to get to one gate or another immediately, in order to catch a flight, so they’d been running back and forth across O’Hare for hours both days, trying to get home. I would NEVER fly United if I could possibly avoid it! Needless to say, we never used the ridiculous voucher we were given as compensation.

  412. Ellen Sandbeck Avatar

    United Airlines lost Addie, her French teacher, and her entire HIgh School French Club group (twenty kids) on their way back from France quite a few years ago. When parents got to the airport to pick our kids up, we were told: “That flight doesn’t exist,” and then they shut the door in our faces. It took hours for us to finally find someone who told us that our kids were stuck in Chicago, and after waiting several more hours, running back and forth between various gates, expecting our kids to arrive on various flights that we were told they might arrive on, we were told we had to come back the next morning. The next morning and afternoon, no kids, finally they started coming in ones and twos on various flights, in the evening. It turned out that the kids had been told, after they were shut out of their originally scheduled flight, that they needed to get to one gate or another immediately, in order to catch a flight, so they’d been running back and forth across O’Hare for hours both days, trying to get home. I would NEVER fly United if I could possibly avoid it! Needless to say, we never used the ridiculous voucher we were given as compensation.

  413. Ellen Sandbeck Avatar

    United Airlines lost Addie, her French teacher, and her entire HIgh School French Club group (twenty kids) on their way back from France quite a few years ago. When parents got to the airport to pick our kids up, we were told: “That flight doesn’t exist,” and then they shut the door in our faces. It took hours for us to finally find someone who told us that our kids were stuck in Chicago, and after waiting several more hours, running back and forth between various gates, expecting our kids to arrive on various flights that we were told they might arrive on, we were told we had to come back the next morning. The next morning and afternoon, no kids, finally they started coming in ones and twos on various flights, in the evening. It turned out that the kids had been told, after they were shut out of their originally scheduled flight, that they needed to get to one gate or another immediately, in order to catch a flight, so they’d been running back and forth across O’Hare for hours both days, trying to get home. I would NEVER fly United if I could possibly avoid it! Needless to say, we never used the ridiculous voucher we were given as compensation.

  414. Ellen Sandbeck Avatar

    United Airlines lost Addie, her French teacher, and her entire HIgh School French Club group (twenty kids) on their way back from France quite a few years ago. When parents got to the airport to pick our kids up, we were told: “That flight doesn’t exist,” and then they shut the door in our faces. It took hours for us to finally find someone who told us that our kids were stuck in Chicago, and after waiting several more hours, running back and forth between various gates, expecting our kids to arrive on various flights that we were told they might arrive on, we were told we had to come back the next morning. The next morning and afternoon, no kids, finally they started coming in ones and twos on various flights, in the evening. It turned out that the kids had been told, after they were shut out of their originally scheduled flight, that they needed to get to one gate or another immediately, in order to catch a flight, so they’d been running back and forth across O’Hare for hours both days, trying to get home. I would NEVER fly United if I could possibly avoid it! Needless to say, we never used the ridiculous voucher we were given as compensation.

  415. Ellen Sandbeck Avatar

    United Airlines lost Addie, her French teacher, and her entire HIgh School French Club group (twenty kids) on their way back from France quite a few years ago. When parents got to the airport to pick our kids up, we were told: “That flight doesn’t exist,” and then they shut the door in our faces. It took hours for us to finally find someone who told us that our kids were stuck in Chicago, and after waiting several more hours, running back and forth between various gates, expecting our kids to arrive on various flights that we were told they might arrive on, we were told we had to come back the next morning. The next morning and afternoon, no kids, finally they started coming in ones and twos on various flights, in the evening. It turned out that the kids had been told, after they were shut out of their originally scheduled flight, that they needed to get to one gate or another immediately, in order to catch a flight, so they’d been running back and forth across O’Hare for hours both days, trying to get home. I would NEVER fly United if I could possibly avoid it! Needless to say, we never used the ridiculous voucher we were given as compensation.

  416. Ellen Sandbeck Avatar

    United Airlines lost Addie, her French teacher, and her entire HIgh School French Club group (twenty kids) on their way back from France quite a few years ago. When parents got to the airport to pick our kids up, we were told: “That flight doesn’t exist,” and then they shut the door in our faces. It took hours for us to finally find someone who told us that our kids were stuck in Chicago, and after waiting several more hours, running back and forth between various gates, expecting our kids to arrive on various flights that we were told they might arrive on, we were told we had to come back the next morning. The next morning and afternoon, no kids, finally they started coming in ones and twos on various flights, in the evening. It turned out that the kids had been told, after they were shut out of their originally scheduled flight, that they needed to get to one gate or another immediately, in order to catch a flight, so they’d been running back and forth across O’Hare for hours both days, trying to get home. I would NEVER fly United if I could possibly avoid it! Needless to say, we never used the ridiculous voucher we were given as compensation.

  417. Mcqjunk Avatar

    See if they can go to Change.org and start a petition. Anyone who’s ever signed a petition there will get an email to read her story. I would petition to have the parents reimbursed, have them pay for her camp for next year, fire their outsourced company, and everyone involved. And then reevaluate their policies. This wasn’t just luggage, this was a child!

  418. Mcqjunk Avatar

    See if they can go to Change.org and start a petition. Anyone who’s ever signed a petition there will get an email to read her story. I would petition to have the parents reimbursed, have them pay for her camp for next year, fire their outsourced company, and everyone involved. And then reevaluate their policies. This wasn’t just luggage, this was a child!

  419. Mcqjunk Avatar

    See if they can go to Change.org and start a petition. Anyone who’s ever signed a petition there will get an email to read her story. I would petition to have the parents reimbursed, have them pay for her camp for next year, fire their outsourced company, and everyone involved. And then reevaluate their policies. This wasn’t just luggage, this was a child!

  420. Mcqjunk Avatar

    See if they can go to Change.org and start a petition. Anyone who’s ever signed a petition there will get an email to read her story. I would petition to have the parents reimbursed, have them pay for her camp for next year, fire their outsourced company, and everyone involved. And then reevaluate their policies. This wasn’t just luggage, this was a child!

  421. Mcqjunk Avatar

    See if they can go to Change.org and start a petition. Anyone who’s ever signed a petition there will get an email to read her story. I would petition to have the parents reimbursed, have them pay for her camp for next year, fire their outsourced company, and everyone involved. And then reevaluate their policies. This wasn’t just luggage, this was a child!

  422. Mcqjunk Avatar

    See if they can go to Change.org and start a petition. Anyone who’s ever signed a petition there will get an email to read her story. I would petition to have the parents reimbursed, have them pay for her camp for next year, fire their outsourced company, and everyone involved. And then reevaluate their policies. This wasn’t just luggage, this was a child!

  423. Mcqjunk Avatar

    See if they can go to Change.org and start a petition. Anyone who’s ever signed a petition there will get an email to read her story. I would petition to have the parents reimbursed, have them pay for her camp for next year, fire their outsourced company, and everyone involved. And then reevaluate their policies. This wasn’t just luggage, this was a child!

  424. Mcqjunk Avatar

    See if they can go to Change.org and start a petition. Anyone who’s ever signed a petition there will get an email to read her story. I would petition to have the parents reimbursed, have them pay for her camp for next year, fire their outsourced company, and everyone involved. And then reevaluate their policies. This wasn’t just luggage, this was a child!

  425. Bob Aho Avatar

    Defending the indefensible, that’s me… I have flown a lot, not so much over the past 5 years but a whole bunch prior to that. I agree that air travel has degraded, but why? Many reasons are likely but the one that sticks out in my opinion (emphasis on anecdote and opinion) is the American attitude for saving money, and willingness to accept poorer service to save money. We as a society are so focused on saving a buck, that we force service industries to race to the bottom. Entire industries are created with the sole purpose of saving a buck or two, and those industries punish those who attempt to offer quality over price. As a result we have a great divide – those who pay, and pay exorbitant prices for exemplary service, and those who pay the bare minimum for substandard service. Although this appears to blame the victim, there has to be some acknowledgement that this situation did not appear in a vacuum. How the airlines will reproduce the Apple model, where consumers pay a premium for functioning but not superior service, I don’t know. But that is what needs to happen; Americans need to be taught how to recognize the difference between value and cheap. Not everything that is cheap is a good value, and not everything that costs more is a rip-off. BTW – when sending the minor on an unaccompanied trip, consider giving them a disposable cell phone to call home in cases such as this one. It can save a great deal of anxiety.

  426. Bob Aho Avatar

    Defending the indefensible, that’s me… I have flown a lot, not so much over the past 5 years but a whole bunch prior to that. I agree that air travel has degraded, but why? Many reasons are likely but the one that sticks out in my opinion (emphasis on anecdote and opinion) is the American attitude for saving money, and willingness to accept poorer service to save money. We as a society are so focused on saving a buck, that we force service industries to race to the bottom. Entire industries are created with the sole purpose of saving a buck or two, and those industries punish those who attempt to offer quality over price. As a result we have a great divide – those who pay, and pay exorbitant prices for exemplary service, and those who pay the bare minimum for substandard service. Although this appears to blame the victim, there has to be some acknowledgement that this situation did not appear in a vacuum. How the airlines will reproduce the Apple model, where consumers pay a premium for functioning but not superior service, I don’t know. But that is what needs to happen; Americans need to be taught how to recognize the difference between value and cheap. Not everything that is cheap is a good value, and not everything that costs more is a rip-off. BTW – when sending the minor on an unaccompanied trip, consider giving them a disposable cell phone to call home in cases such as this one. It can save a great deal of anxiety.

  427. Bob Aho Avatar

    Defending the indefensible, that’s me… I have flown a lot, not so much over the past 5 years but a whole bunch prior to that. I agree that air travel has degraded, but why? Many reasons are likely but the one that sticks out in my opinion (emphasis on anecdote and opinion) is the American attitude for saving money, and willingness to accept poorer service to save money. We as a society are so focused on saving a buck, that we force service industries to race to the bottom. Entire industries are created with the sole purpose of saving a buck or two, and those industries punish those who attempt to offer quality over price. As a result we have a great divide – those who pay, and pay exorbitant prices for exemplary service, and those who pay the bare minimum for substandard service. Although this appears to blame the victim, there has to be some acknowledgement that this situation did not appear in a vacuum. How the airlines will reproduce the Apple model, where consumers pay a premium for functioning but not superior service, I don’t know. But that is what needs to happen; Americans need to be taught how to recognize the difference between value and cheap. Not everything that is cheap is a good value, and not everything that costs more is a rip-off. BTW – when sending the minor on an unaccompanied trip, consider giving them a disposable cell phone to call home in cases such as this one. It can save a great deal of anxiety.

  428. Bob Aho Avatar

    Defending the indefensible, that’s me… I have flown a lot, not so much over the past 5 years but a whole bunch prior to that. I agree that air travel has degraded, but why? Many reasons are likely but the one that sticks out in my opinion (emphasis on anecdote and opinion) is the American attitude for saving money, and willingness to accept poorer service to save money. We as a society are so focused on saving a buck, that we force service industries to race to the bottom. Entire industries are created with the sole purpose of saving a buck or two, and those industries punish those who attempt to offer quality over price. As a result we have a great divide – those who pay, and pay exorbitant prices for exemplary service, and those who pay the bare minimum for substandard service. Although this appears to blame the victim, there has to be some acknowledgement that this situation did not appear in a vacuum. How the airlines will reproduce the Apple model, where consumers pay a premium for functioning but not superior service, I don’t know. But that is what needs to happen; Americans need to be taught how to recognize the difference between value and cheap. Not everything that is cheap is a good value, and not everything that costs more is a rip-off. BTW – when sending the minor on an unaccompanied trip, consider giving them a disposable cell phone to call home in cases such as this one. It can save a great deal of anxiety.

  429. Bob Aho Avatar

    Defending the indefensible, that’s me… I have flown a lot, not so much over the past 5 years but a whole bunch prior to that. I agree that air travel has degraded, but why? Many reasons are likely but the one that sticks out in my opinion (emphasis on anecdote and opinion) is the American attitude for saving money, and willingness to accept poorer service to save money. We as a society are so focused on saving a buck, that we force service industries to race to the bottom. Entire industries are created with the sole purpose of saving a buck or two, and those industries punish those who attempt to offer quality over price. As a result we have a great divide – those who pay, and pay exorbitant prices for exemplary service, and those who pay the bare minimum for substandard service. Although this appears to blame the victim, there has to be some acknowledgement that this situation did not appear in a vacuum. How the airlines will reproduce the Apple model, where consumers pay a premium for functioning but not superior service, I don’t know. But that is what needs to happen; Americans need to be taught how to recognize the difference between value and cheap. Not everything that is cheap is a good value, and not everything that costs more is a rip-off. BTW – when sending the minor on an unaccompanied trip, consider giving them a disposable cell phone to call home in cases such as this one. It can save a great deal of anxiety.

  430. Bob Aho Avatar

    Defending the indefensible, that’s me… I have flown a lot, not so much over the past 5 years but a whole bunch prior to that. I agree that air travel has degraded, but why? Many reasons are likely but the one that sticks out in my opinion (emphasis on anecdote and opinion) is the American attitude for saving money, and willingness to accept poorer service to save money. We as a society are so focused on saving a buck, that we force service industries to race to the bottom. Entire industries are created with the sole purpose of saving a buck or two, and those industries punish those who attempt to offer quality over price. As a result we have a great divide – those who pay, and pay exorbitant prices for exemplary service, and those who pay the bare minimum for substandard service. Although this appears to blame the victim, there has to be some acknowledgement that this situation did not appear in a vacuum. How the airlines will reproduce the Apple model, where consumers pay a premium for functioning but not superior service, I don’t know. But that is what needs to happen; Americans need to be taught how to recognize the difference between value and cheap. Not everything that is cheap is a good value, and not everything that costs more is a rip-off. BTW – when sending the minor on an unaccompanied trip, consider giving them a disposable cell phone to call home in cases such as this one. It can save a great deal of anxiety.

  431. Bob Aho Avatar

    Defending the indefensible, that’s me… I have flown a lot, not so much over the past 5 years but a whole bunch prior to that. I agree that air travel has degraded, but why? Many reasons are likely but the one that sticks out in my opinion (emphasis on anecdote and opinion) is the American attitude for saving money, and willingness to accept poorer service to save money. We as a society are so focused on saving a buck, that we force service industries to race to the bottom. Entire industries are created with the sole purpose of saving a buck or two, and those industries punish those who attempt to offer quality over price. As a result we have a great divide – those who pay, and pay exorbitant prices for exemplary service, and those who pay the bare minimum for substandard service. Although this appears to blame the victim, there has to be some acknowledgement that this situation did not appear in a vacuum. How the airlines will reproduce the Apple model, where consumers pay a premium for functioning but not superior service, I don’t know. But that is what needs to happen; Americans need to be taught how to recognize the difference between value and cheap. Not everything that is cheap is a good value, and not everything that costs more is a rip-off. BTW – when sending the minor on an unaccompanied trip, consider giving them a disposable cell phone to call home in cases such as this one. It can save a great deal of anxiety.

  432. Bob Aho Avatar

    Defending the indefensible, that’s me… I have flown a lot, not so much over the past 5 years but a whole bunch prior to that. I agree that air travel has degraded, but why? Many reasons are likely but the one that sticks out in my opinion (emphasis on anecdote and opinion) is the American attitude for saving money, and willingness to accept poorer service to save money. We as a society are so focused on saving a buck, that we force service industries to race to the bottom. Entire industries are created with the sole purpose of saving a buck or two, and those industries punish those who attempt to offer quality over price. As a result we have a great divide – those who pay, and pay exorbitant prices for exemplary service, and those who pay the bare minimum for substandard service. Although this appears to blame the victim, there has to be some acknowledgement that this situation did not appear in a vacuum. How the airlines will reproduce the Apple model, where consumers pay a premium for functioning but not superior service, I don’t know. But that is what needs to happen; Americans need to be taught how to recognize the difference between value and cheap. Not everything that is cheap is a good value, and not everything that costs more is a rip-off. BTW – when sending the minor on an unaccompanied trip, consider giving them a disposable cell phone to call home in cases such as this one. It can save a great deal of anxiety.

  433. Wjbiii Avatar

    My experience, eight years ago, posted at my blog. I work on four continents, and United Airlines is the single worst flying passenger flying experience available in America.
    Never *ever* again. Never.
    Die, United, die.
    http://www.two–four.net/weblog.php?id=P1146

  434. Wjbiii Avatar

    My experience, eight years ago, posted at my blog. I work on four continents, and United Airlines is the single worst flying passenger flying experience available in America.
    Never *ever* again. Never.
    Die, United, die.
    http://www.two–four.net/weblog.php?id=P1146

  435. Wjbiii Avatar

    My experience, eight years ago, posted at my blog. I work on four continents, and United Airlines is the single worst flying passenger flying experience available in America.
    Never *ever* again. Never.
    Die, United, die.
    http://www.two–four.net/weblog.php?id=P1146

  436. Wjbiii Avatar

    My experience, eight years ago, posted at my blog. I work on four continents, and United Airlines is the single worst flying passenger flying experience available in America.
    Never *ever* again. Never.
    Die, United, die.
    http://www.two–four.net/weblog.php?id=P1146

  437. Wjbiii Avatar

    My experience, eight years ago, posted at my blog. I work on four continents, and United Airlines is the single worst flying passenger flying experience available in America.
    Never *ever* again. Never.
    Die, United, die.
    http://www.two–four.net/weblog.php?id=P1146

  438. Wjbiii Avatar

    My experience, eight years ago, posted at my blog. I work on four continents, and United Airlines is the single worst flying passenger flying experience available in America.
    Never *ever* again. Never.
    Die, United, die.
    http://www.two–four.net/weblog.php?id=P1146

  439. Wjbiii Avatar

    My experience, eight years ago, posted at my blog. I work on four continents, and United Airlines is the single worst flying passenger flying experience available in America.
    Never *ever* again. Never.
    Die, United, die.
    http://www.two–four.net/weblog.php?id=P1146

  440. Wjbiii Avatar

    My experience, eight years ago, posted at my blog. I work on four continents, and United Airlines is the single worst flying passenger flying experience available in America.
    Never *ever* again. Never.
    Die, United, die.
    http://www.two–four.net/weblog.php?id=P1146

  441. Kymmz Avatar

    Great good heavenly day. I was reading this and thinking that some of it, like having the return flight canceled because I missed the connection on my flight over, sounded extremely familiar, and I looked up what carrier flew me to my high school reunion in May and screwed up so thoroughly, and it was United!
    I will say that I was fortunate enough to be flying home from a tiny airport where the employees did back flips to fix the problem. But let me tell you, when I missed my connection due to weather, it took me absolutely hours to get myself onto a connecting flight.
    How could this not be something that was planned for, that people coming into Chicago might be going on to someplace else, and if the flight was delayed for two or three hours, people might need to reschedule connections? It was as though such a thing was unfathomable. Now I know that it is part of United’s business model, “We Don’t Care, and Even If We Do, We Can’t Do Anything.”
    On the other hand, I had such spectacular customer service when I flew Jet Blue earlier this year and a mistake was made on the dates (which may have been my fault) and the whole trip needed to be re-scheduled and they did it with no change fees, that I told them that they had a customer for life.

  442. Kymmz Avatar

    Great good heavenly day. I was reading this and thinking that some of it, like having the return flight canceled because I missed the connection on my flight over, sounded extremely familiar, and I looked up what carrier flew me to my high school reunion in May and screwed up so thoroughly, and it was United!
    I will say that I was fortunate enough to be flying home from a tiny airport where the employees did back flips to fix the problem. But let me tell you, when I missed my connection due to weather, it took me absolutely hours to get myself onto a connecting flight.
    How could this not be something that was planned for, that people coming into Chicago might be going on to someplace else, and if the flight was delayed for two or three hours, people might need to reschedule connections? It was as though such a thing was unfathomable. Now I know that it is part of United’s business model, “We Don’t Care, and Even If We Do, We Can’t Do Anything.”
    On the other hand, I had such spectacular customer service when I flew Jet Blue earlier this year and a mistake was made on the dates (which may have been my fault) and the whole trip needed to be re-scheduled and they did it with no change fees, that I told them that they had a customer for life.

  443. Kymmz Avatar

    Great good heavenly day. I was reading this and thinking that some of it, like having the return flight canceled because I missed the connection on my flight over, sounded extremely familiar, and I looked up what carrier flew me to my high school reunion in May and screwed up so thoroughly, and it was United!
    I will say that I was fortunate enough to be flying home from a tiny airport where the employees did back flips to fix the problem. But let me tell you, when I missed my connection due to weather, it took me absolutely hours to get myself onto a connecting flight.
    How could this not be something that was planned for, that people coming into Chicago might be going on to someplace else, and if the flight was delayed for two or three hours, people might need to reschedule connections? It was as though such a thing was unfathomable. Now I know that it is part of United’s business model, “We Don’t Care, and Even If We Do, We Can’t Do Anything.”
    On the other hand, I had such spectacular customer service when I flew Jet Blue earlier this year and a mistake was made on the dates (which may have been my fault) and the whole trip needed to be re-scheduled and they did it with no change fees, that I told them that they had a customer for life.

  444. Kymmz Avatar

    Great good heavenly day. I was reading this and thinking that some of it, like having the return flight canceled because I missed the connection on my flight over, sounded extremely familiar, and I looked up what carrier flew me to my high school reunion in May and screwed up so thoroughly, and it was United!
    I will say that I was fortunate enough to be flying home from a tiny airport where the employees did back flips to fix the problem. But let me tell you, when I missed my connection due to weather, it took me absolutely hours to get myself onto a connecting flight.
    How could this not be something that was planned for, that people coming into Chicago might be going on to someplace else, and if the flight was delayed for two or three hours, people might need to reschedule connections? It was as though such a thing was unfathomable. Now I know that it is part of United’s business model, “We Don’t Care, and Even If We Do, We Can’t Do Anything.”
    On the other hand, I had such spectacular customer service when I flew Jet Blue earlier this year and a mistake was made on the dates (which may have been my fault) and the whole trip needed to be re-scheduled and they did it with no change fees, that I told them that they had a customer for life.

  445. Kymmz Avatar

    Great good heavenly day. I was reading this and thinking that some of it, like having the return flight canceled because I missed the connection on my flight over, sounded extremely familiar, and I looked up what carrier flew me to my high school reunion in May and screwed up so thoroughly, and it was United!
    I will say that I was fortunate enough to be flying home from a tiny airport where the employees did back flips to fix the problem. But let me tell you, when I missed my connection due to weather, it took me absolutely hours to get myself onto a connecting flight.
    How could this not be something that was planned for, that people coming into Chicago might be going on to someplace else, and if the flight was delayed for two or three hours, people might need to reschedule connections? It was as though such a thing was unfathomable. Now I know that it is part of United’s business model, “We Don’t Care, and Even If We Do, We Can’t Do Anything.”
    On the other hand, I had such spectacular customer service when I flew Jet Blue earlier this year and a mistake was made on the dates (which may have been my fault) and the whole trip needed to be re-scheduled and they did it with no change fees, that I told them that they had a customer for life.

  446. Kymmz Avatar

    Great good heavenly day. I was reading this and thinking that some of it, like having the return flight canceled because I missed the connection on my flight over, sounded extremely familiar, and I looked up what carrier flew me to my high school reunion in May and screwed up so thoroughly, and it was United!
    I will say that I was fortunate enough to be flying home from a tiny airport where the employees did back flips to fix the problem. But let me tell you, when I missed my connection due to weather, it took me absolutely hours to get myself onto a connecting flight.
    How could this not be something that was planned for, that people coming into Chicago might be going on to someplace else, and if the flight was delayed for two or three hours, people might need to reschedule connections? It was as though such a thing was unfathomable. Now I know that it is part of United’s business model, “We Don’t Care, and Even If We Do, We Can’t Do Anything.”
    On the other hand, I had such spectacular customer service when I flew Jet Blue earlier this year and a mistake was made on the dates (which may have been my fault) and the whole trip needed to be re-scheduled and they did it with no change fees, that I told them that they had a customer for life.

  447. Kymmz Avatar

    Great good heavenly day. I was reading this and thinking that some of it, like having the return flight canceled because I missed the connection on my flight over, sounded extremely familiar, and I looked up what carrier flew me to my high school reunion in May and screwed up so thoroughly, and it was United!
    I will say that I was fortunate enough to be flying home from a tiny airport where the employees did back flips to fix the problem. But let me tell you, when I missed my connection due to weather, it took me absolutely hours to get myself onto a connecting flight.
    How could this not be something that was planned for, that people coming into Chicago might be going on to someplace else, and if the flight was delayed for two or three hours, people might need to reschedule connections? It was as though such a thing was unfathomable. Now I know that it is part of United’s business model, “We Don’t Care, and Even If We Do, We Can’t Do Anything.”
    On the other hand, I had such spectacular customer service when I flew Jet Blue earlier this year and a mistake was made on the dates (which may have been my fault) and the whole trip needed to be re-scheduled and they did it with no change fees, that I told them that they had a customer for life.

  448. Kymmz Avatar

    Great good heavenly day. I was reading this and thinking that some of it, like having the return flight canceled because I missed the connection on my flight over, sounded extremely familiar, and I looked up what carrier flew me to my high school reunion in May and screwed up so thoroughly, and it was United!
    I will say that I was fortunate enough to be flying home from a tiny airport where the employees did back flips to fix the problem. But let me tell you, when I missed my connection due to weather, it took me absolutely hours to get myself onto a connecting flight.
    How could this not be something that was planned for, that people coming into Chicago might be going on to someplace else, and if the flight was delayed for two or three hours, people might need to reschedule connections? It was as though such a thing was unfathomable. Now I know that it is part of United’s business model, “We Don’t Care, and Even If We Do, We Can’t Do Anything.”
    On the other hand, I had such spectacular customer service when I flew Jet Blue earlier this year and a mistake was made on the dates (which may have been my fault) and the whole trip needed to be re-scheduled and they did it with no change fees, that I told them that they had a customer for life.

  449. J Avatar

    Reading this story I’m surprised United doesn’t have a lost child protocol. I’ve volunteered for the Burning Man festival for several years and they have an extremely well drilled protocol for handling lost children – page 26 of the manual http://rangers.burningman.com/wp-content/uploads/2012-ranger-manual.pdf.
    In the instance described, had that been my daughter, I think I’d have hung up on United way earlier (as soon as they admitted to not being able to locate her) and called Chicago PD and the TSA to report a missing child – in my experience law enforcement take lost kids very seriously.

  450. J Avatar

    Reading this story I’m surprised United doesn’t have a lost child protocol. I’ve volunteered for the Burning Man festival for several years and they have an extremely well drilled protocol for handling lost children – page 26 of the manual http://rangers.burningman.com/wp-content/uploads/2012-ranger-manual.pdf.
    In the instance described, had that been my daughter, I think I’d have hung up on United way earlier (as soon as they admitted to not being able to locate her) and called Chicago PD and the TSA to report a missing child – in my experience law enforcement take lost kids very seriously.

  451. J Avatar

    Reading this story I’m surprised United doesn’t have a lost child protocol. I’ve volunteered for the Burning Man festival for several years and they have an extremely well drilled protocol for handling lost children – page 26 of the manual http://rangers.burningman.com/wp-content/uploads/2012-ranger-manual.pdf.
    In the instance described, had that been my daughter, I think I’d have hung up on United way earlier (as soon as they admitted to not being able to locate her) and called Chicago PD and the TSA to report a missing child – in my experience law enforcement take lost kids very seriously.

  452. J Avatar

    Reading this story I’m surprised United doesn’t have a lost child protocol. I’ve volunteered for the Burning Man festival for several years and they have an extremely well drilled protocol for handling lost children – page 26 of the manual http://rangers.burningman.com/wp-content/uploads/2012-ranger-manual.pdf.
    In the instance described, had that been my daughter, I think I’d have hung up on United way earlier (as soon as they admitted to not being able to locate her) and called Chicago PD and the TSA to report a missing child – in my experience law enforcement take lost kids very seriously.

  453. J Avatar

    Reading this story I’m surprised United doesn’t have a lost child protocol. I’ve volunteered for the Burning Man festival for several years and they have an extremely well drilled protocol for handling lost children – page 26 of the manual http://rangers.burningman.com/wp-content/uploads/2012-ranger-manual.pdf.
    In the instance described, had that been my daughter, I think I’d have hung up on United way earlier (as soon as they admitted to not being able to locate her) and called Chicago PD and the TSA to report a missing child – in my experience law enforcement take lost kids very seriously.

  454. J Avatar

    Reading this story I’m surprised United doesn’t have a lost child protocol. I’ve volunteered for the Burning Man festival for several years and they have an extremely well drilled protocol for handling lost children – page 26 of the manual http://rangers.burningman.com/wp-content/uploads/2012-ranger-manual.pdf.
    In the instance described, had that been my daughter, I think I’d have hung up on United way earlier (as soon as they admitted to not being able to locate her) and called Chicago PD and the TSA to report a missing child – in my experience law enforcement take lost kids very seriously.

  455. J Avatar

    Reading this story I’m surprised United doesn’t have a lost child protocol. I’ve volunteered for the Burning Man festival for several years and they have an extremely well drilled protocol for handling lost children – page 26 of the manual http://rangers.burningman.com/wp-content/uploads/2012-ranger-manual.pdf.
    In the instance described, had that been my daughter, I think I’d have hung up on United way earlier (as soon as they admitted to not being able to locate her) and called Chicago PD and the TSA to report a missing child – in my experience law enforcement take lost kids very seriously.

  456. J Avatar

    Reading this story I’m surprised United doesn’t have a lost child protocol. I’ve volunteered for the Burning Man festival for several years and they have an extremely well drilled protocol for handling lost children – page 26 of the manual http://rangers.burningman.com/wp-content/uploads/2012-ranger-manual.pdf.
    In the instance described, had that been my daughter, I think I’d have hung up on United way earlier (as soon as they admitted to not being able to locate her) and called Chicago PD and the TSA to report a missing child – in my experience law enforcement take lost kids very seriously.

  457. thatlarkin Avatar

    Meeting my 13 year old after her unaccompanied trip from SOUTH AFRICA. Flight arrived early. Counter was understaffed. It took 45 minutes to get a gate pass. Agent sent me to the wrong gate. Agent at wrong gate, when asked which was the correct gate, ignored me (not an exaggeration). When I escalated, she chastised me for being late, and continued to refuse to answer my question. I ran to the next available gate agent (five gates down) to find out the correct gate. By the time I learned the correct gate, her plane had deplaned. Total service meltdown nightmare. Never again, United.

  458. thatlarkin Avatar

    Meeting my 13 year old after her unaccompanied trip from SOUTH AFRICA. Flight arrived early. Counter was understaffed. It took 45 minutes to get a gate pass. Agent sent me to the wrong gate. Agent at wrong gate, when asked which was the correct gate, ignored me (not an exaggeration). When I escalated, she chastised me for being late, and continued to refuse to answer my question. I ran to the next available gate agent (five gates down) to find out the correct gate. By the time I learned the correct gate, her plane had deplaned. Total service meltdown nightmare. Never again, United.

  459. thatlarkin Avatar

    Meeting my 13 year old after her unaccompanied trip from SOUTH AFRICA. Flight arrived early. Counter was understaffed. It took 45 minutes to get a gate pass. Agent sent me to the wrong gate. Agent at wrong gate, when asked which was the correct gate, ignored me (not an exaggeration). When I escalated, she chastised me for being late, and continued to refuse to answer my question. I ran to the next available gate agent (five gates down) to find out the correct gate. By the time I learned the correct gate, her plane had deplaned. Total service meltdown nightmare. Never again, United.

  460. thatlarkin Avatar

    Meeting my 13 year old after her unaccompanied trip from SOUTH AFRICA. Flight arrived early. Counter was understaffed. It took 45 minutes to get a gate pass. Agent sent me to the wrong gate. Agent at wrong gate, when asked which was the correct gate, ignored me (not an exaggeration). When I escalated, she chastised me for being late, and continued to refuse to answer my question. I ran to the next available gate agent (five gates down) to find out the correct gate. By the time I learned the correct gate, her plane had deplaned. Total service meltdown nightmare. Never again, United.

  461. thatlarkin Avatar

    Meeting my 13 year old after her unaccompanied trip from SOUTH AFRICA. Flight arrived early. Counter was understaffed. It took 45 minutes to get a gate pass. Agent sent me to the wrong gate. Agent at wrong gate, when asked which was the correct gate, ignored me (not an exaggeration). When I escalated, she chastised me for being late, and continued to refuse to answer my question. I ran to the next available gate agent (five gates down) to find out the correct gate. By the time I learned the correct gate, her plane had deplaned. Total service meltdown nightmare. Never again, United.

  462. thatlarkin Avatar

    Meeting my 13 year old after her unaccompanied trip from SOUTH AFRICA. Flight arrived early. Counter was understaffed. It took 45 minutes to get a gate pass. Agent sent me to the wrong gate. Agent at wrong gate, when asked which was the correct gate, ignored me (not an exaggeration). When I escalated, she chastised me for being late, and continued to refuse to answer my question. I ran to the next available gate agent (five gates down) to find out the correct gate. By the time I learned the correct gate, her plane had deplaned. Total service meltdown nightmare. Never again, United.

  463. thatlarkin Avatar

    Meeting my 13 year old after her unaccompanied trip from SOUTH AFRICA. Flight arrived early. Counter was understaffed. It took 45 minutes to get a gate pass. Agent sent me to the wrong gate. Agent at wrong gate, when asked which was the correct gate, ignored me (not an exaggeration). When I escalated, she chastised me for being late, and continued to refuse to answer my question. I ran to the next available gate agent (five gates down) to find out the correct gate. By the time I learned the correct gate, her plane had deplaned. Total service meltdown nightmare. Never again, United.

  464. thatlarkin Avatar

    Meeting my 13 year old after her unaccompanied trip from SOUTH AFRICA. Flight arrived early. Counter was understaffed. It took 45 minutes to get a gate pass. Agent sent me to the wrong gate. Agent at wrong gate, when asked which was the correct gate, ignored me (not an exaggeration). When I escalated, she chastised me for being late, and continued to refuse to answer my question. I ran to the next available gate agent (five gates down) to find out the correct gate. By the time I learned the correct gate, her plane had deplaned. Total service meltdown nightmare. Never again, United.

  465. jik Avatar

    @Bob Aho
    I think there is some truth to what you say, but there is also a huge flaw in your argument… There are a number of successful (i.e., profitable) airlines whose fares are as low as United’s, if not lower, and whose treatment of customers is far better.
    I think it’s much less about cheap fares leading inevitably to poor service, and much more about the mishmash of regulation and deregulation causing an unfair playing field which makes it hard for smaller, more consumer-friendly airlines to compete with the huge, uncaring airlines on many routes.

  466. jik Avatar

    @Bob Aho
    I think there is some truth to what you say, but there is also a huge flaw in your argument… There are a number of successful (i.e., profitable) airlines whose fares are as low as United’s, if not lower, and whose treatment of customers is far better.
    I think it’s much less about cheap fares leading inevitably to poor service, and much more about the mishmash of regulation and deregulation causing an unfair playing field which makes it hard for smaller, more consumer-friendly airlines to compete with the huge, uncaring airlines on many routes.

  467. jik Avatar

    @Bob Aho
    I think there is some truth to what you say, but there is also a huge flaw in your argument… There are a number of successful (i.e., profitable) airlines whose fares are as low as United’s, if not lower, and whose treatment of customers is far better.
    I think it’s much less about cheap fares leading inevitably to poor service, and much more about the mishmash of regulation and deregulation causing an unfair playing field which makes it hard for smaller, more consumer-friendly airlines to compete with the huge, uncaring airlines on many routes.

  468. jik Avatar

    @Bob Aho
    I think there is some truth to what you say, but there is also a huge flaw in your argument… There are a number of successful (i.e., profitable) airlines whose fares are as low as United’s, if not lower, and whose treatment of customers is far better.
    I think it’s much less about cheap fares leading inevitably to poor service, and much more about the mishmash of regulation and deregulation causing an unfair playing field which makes it hard for smaller, more consumer-friendly airlines to compete with the huge, uncaring airlines on many routes.

  469. jik Avatar

    @Bob Aho
    I think there is some truth to what you say, but there is also a huge flaw in your argument… There are a number of successful (i.e., profitable) airlines whose fares are as low as United’s, if not lower, and whose treatment of customers is far better.
    I think it’s much less about cheap fares leading inevitably to poor service, and much more about the mishmash of regulation and deregulation causing an unfair playing field which makes it hard for smaller, more consumer-friendly airlines to compete with the huge, uncaring airlines on many routes.

  470. jik Avatar

    @Bob Aho
    I think there is some truth to what you say, but there is also a huge flaw in your argument… There are a number of successful (i.e., profitable) airlines whose fares are as low as United’s, if not lower, and whose treatment of customers is far better.
    I think it’s much less about cheap fares leading inevitably to poor service, and much more about the mishmash of regulation and deregulation causing an unfair playing field which makes it hard for smaller, more consumer-friendly airlines to compete with the huge, uncaring airlines on many routes.

  471. jik Avatar

    @Bob Aho
    I think there is some truth to what you say, but there is also a huge flaw in your argument… There are a number of successful (i.e., profitable) airlines whose fares are as low as United’s, if not lower, and whose treatment of customers is far better.
    I think it’s much less about cheap fares leading inevitably to poor service, and much more about the mishmash of regulation and deregulation causing an unfair playing field which makes it hard for smaller, more consumer-friendly airlines to compete with the huge, uncaring airlines on many routes.

  472. jik Avatar

    @Bob Aho
    I think there is some truth to what you say, but there is also a huge flaw in your argument… There are a number of successful (i.e., profitable) airlines whose fares are as low as United’s, if not lower, and whose treatment of customers is far better.
    I think it’s much less about cheap fares leading inevitably to poor service, and much more about the mishmash of regulation and deregulation causing an unfair playing field which makes it hard for smaller, more consumer-friendly airlines to compete with the huge, uncaring airlines on many routes.

  473. Justin Boyan Avatar

    Well, if sharing United customer-service horror stories is the order of the day, here’s mine, from earlier this summer:
    https://plus.google.com/u/0/101141424784642471883/posts/EdVaRoV993J
    Don’t fly United.

  474. Justin Boyan Avatar

    Well, if sharing United customer-service horror stories is the order of the day, here’s mine, from earlier this summer:
    https://plus.google.com/u/0/101141424784642471883/posts/EdVaRoV993J
    Don’t fly United.

  475. Justin Boyan Avatar

    Well, if sharing United customer-service horror stories is the order of the day, here’s mine, from earlier this summer:
    https://plus.google.com/u/0/101141424784642471883/posts/EdVaRoV993J
    Don’t fly United.

  476. Justin Boyan Avatar

    Well, if sharing United customer-service horror stories is the order of the day, here’s mine, from earlier this summer:
    https://plus.google.com/u/0/101141424784642471883/posts/EdVaRoV993J
    Don’t fly United.

  477. Justin Boyan Avatar

    Well, if sharing United customer-service horror stories is the order of the day, here’s mine, from earlier this summer:
    https://plus.google.com/u/0/101141424784642471883/posts/EdVaRoV993J
    Don’t fly United.

  478. Justin Boyan Avatar

    Well, if sharing United customer-service horror stories is the order of the day, here’s mine, from earlier this summer:
    https://plus.google.com/u/0/101141424784642471883/posts/EdVaRoV993J
    Don’t fly United.

  479. Justin Boyan Avatar

    Well, if sharing United customer-service horror stories is the order of the day, here’s mine, from earlier this summer:
    https://plus.google.com/u/0/101141424784642471883/posts/EdVaRoV993J
    Don’t fly United.

  480. Justin Boyan Avatar

    Well, if sharing United customer-service horror stories is the order of the day, here’s mine, from earlier this summer:
    https://plus.google.com/u/0/101141424784642471883/posts/EdVaRoV993J
    Don’t fly United.

  481. pTom Avatar

    Check out “United Breaks Guitars” on YouTube – sad but hilarious.
    There is no reason for poor customer service yet it abounds. United is at the bottom of my list for airline choice. There are a few local businesses in my town that I will not go to anymore because of the complete lack of service and general piss poor attitude to their customers.

  482. pTom Avatar

    Check out “United Breaks Guitars” on YouTube – sad but hilarious.
    There is no reason for poor customer service yet it abounds. United is at the bottom of my list for airline choice. There are a few local businesses in my town that I will not go to anymore because of the complete lack of service and general piss poor attitude to their customers.

  483. pTom Avatar

    Check out “United Breaks Guitars” on YouTube – sad but hilarious.
    There is no reason for poor customer service yet it abounds. United is at the bottom of my list for airline choice. There are a few local businesses in my town that I will not go to anymore because of the complete lack of service and general piss poor attitude to their customers.

  484. pTom Avatar

    Check out “United Breaks Guitars” on YouTube – sad but hilarious.
    There is no reason for poor customer service yet it abounds. United is at the bottom of my list for airline choice. There are a few local businesses in my town that I will not go to anymore because of the complete lack of service and general piss poor attitude to their customers.

  485. pTom Avatar

    Check out “United Breaks Guitars” on YouTube – sad but hilarious.
    There is no reason for poor customer service yet it abounds. United is at the bottom of my list for airline choice. There are a few local businesses in my town that I will not go to anymore because of the complete lack of service and general piss poor attitude to their customers.

  486. pTom Avatar

    Check out “United Breaks Guitars” on YouTube – sad but hilarious.
    There is no reason for poor customer service yet it abounds. United is at the bottom of my list for airline choice. There are a few local businesses in my town that I will not go to anymore because of the complete lack of service and general piss poor attitude to their customers.

  487. pTom Avatar

    Check out “United Breaks Guitars” on YouTube – sad but hilarious.
    There is no reason for poor customer service yet it abounds. United is at the bottom of my list for airline choice. There are a few local businesses in my town that I will not go to anymore because of the complete lack of service and general piss poor attitude to their customers.

  488. pTom Avatar

    Check out “United Breaks Guitars” on YouTube – sad but hilarious.
    There is no reason for poor customer service yet it abounds. United is at the bottom of my list for airline choice. There are a few local businesses in my town that I will not go to anymore because of the complete lack of service and general piss poor attitude to their customers.

  489. Mrsachmo Avatar

    In the ever increasing demand for higher profits, corporations are required to squeeze every single dollar they can from wherever they can. Morality has no place in profits and efficiency. A corporation is a soulless entity created and nurtured to make money.
    How can anyone be shocked that it would take “bad PR” to spur them into action?
    If everything said in this story is true, I understand what a shock this must be, but to expect better treatment from any corporation is more shocking to me.

  490. Mrsachmo Avatar

    In the ever increasing demand for higher profits, corporations are required to squeeze every single dollar they can from wherever they can. Morality has no place in profits and efficiency. A corporation is a soulless entity created and nurtured to make money.
    How can anyone be shocked that it would take “bad PR” to spur them into action?
    If everything said in this story is true, I understand what a shock this must be, but to expect better treatment from any corporation is more shocking to me.

  491. Mrsachmo Avatar

    In the ever increasing demand for higher profits, corporations are required to squeeze every single dollar they can from wherever they can. Morality has no place in profits and efficiency. A corporation is a soulless entity created and nurtured to make money.
    How can anyone be shocked that it would take “bad PR” to spur them into action?
    If everything said in this story is true, I understand what a shock this must be, but to expect better treatment from any corporation is more shocking to me.

  492. Mrsachmo Avatar

    In the ever increasing demand for higher profits, corporations are required to squeeze every single dollar they can from wherever they can. Morality has no place in profits and efficiency. A corporation is a soulless entity created and nurtured to make money.
    How can anyone be shocked that it would take “bad PR” to spur them into action?
    If everything said in this story is true, I understand what a shock this must be, but to expect better treatment from any corporation is more shocking to me.

  493. Mrsachmo Avatar

    In the ever increasing demand for higher profits, corporations are required to squeeze every single dollar they can from wherever they can. Morality has no place in profits and efficiency. A corporation is a soulless entity created and nurtured to make money.
    How can anyone be shocked that it would take “bad PR” to spur them into action?
    If everything said in this story is true, I understand what a shock this must be, but to expect better treatment from any corporation is more shocking to me.

  494. Mrsachmo Avatar

    In the ever increasing demand for higher profits, corporations are required to squeeze every single dollar they can from wherever they can. Morality has no place in profits and efficiency. A corporation is a soulless entity created and nurtured to make money.
    How can anyone be shocked that it would take “bad PR” to spur them into action?
    If everything said in this story is true, I understand what a shock this must be, but to expect better treatment from any corporation is more shocking to me.

  495. Mrsachmo Avatar

    In the ever increasing demand for higher profits, corporations are required to squeeze every single dollar they can from wherever they can. Morality has no place in profits and efficiency. A corporation is a soulless entity created and nurtured to make money.
    How can anyone be shocked that it would take “bad PR” to spur them into action?
    If everything said in this story is true, I understand what a shock this must be, but to expect better treatment from any corporation is more shocking to me.

  496. Mrsachmo Avatar

    In the ever increasing demand for higher profits, corporations are required to squeeze every single dollar they can from wherever they can. Morality has no place in profits and efficiency. A corporation is a soulless entity created and nurtured to make money.
    How can anyone be shocked that it would take “bad PR” to spur them into action?
    If everything said in this story is true, I understand what a shock this must be, but to expect better treatment from any corporation is more shocking to me.

  497. Grubtrotters Avatar

    I wonder whether United employees can be prosecuted criminally for child endangerment. If I were the parents, I would have skipped the incompetent United customer service service and immediately called the police, filed a missing person report and asked for an Amber alert. Perhaps that would have gotten United’s attention. I do hope a lawsuit follows. I have been a loyal United customer but now believe families should boycott the airline. This is just so totally negligent, bordering on child abuse.

  498. Grubtrotters Avatar

    I wonder whether United employees can be prosecuted criminally for child endangerment. If I were the parents, I would have skipped the incompetent United customer service service and immediately called the police, filed a missing person report and asked for an Amber alert. Perhaps that would have gotten United’s attention. I do hope a lawsuit follows. I have been a loyal United customer but now believe families should boycott the airline. This is just so totally negligent, bordering on child abuse.

  499. Grubtrotters Avatar

    I wonder whether United employees can be prosecuted criminally for child endangerment. If I were the parents, I would have skipped the incompetent United customer service service and immediately called the police, filed a missing person report and asked for an Amber alert. Perhaps that would have gotten United’s attention. I do hope a lawsuit follows. I have been a loyal United customer but now believe families should boycott the airline. This is just so totally negligent, bordering on child abuse.

  500. Grubtrotters Avatar

    I wonder whether United employees can be prosecuted criminally for child endangerment. If I were the parents, I would have skipped the incompetent United customer service service and immediately called the police, filed a missing person report and asked for an Amber alert. Perhaps that would have gotten United’s attention. I do hope a lawsuit follows. I have been a loyal United customer but now believe families should boycott the airline. This is just so totally negligent, bordering on child abuse.

  501. Grubtrotters Avatar

    I wonder whether United employees can be prosecuted criminally for child endangerment. If I were the parents, I would have skipped the incompetent United customer service service and immediately called the police, filed a missing person report and asked for an Amber alert. Perhaps that would have gotten United’s attention. I do hope a lawsuit follows. I have been a loyal United customer but now believe families should boycott the airline. This is just so totally negligent, bordering on child abuse.

  502. Grubtrotters Avatar

    I wonder whether United employees can be prosecuted criminally for child endangerment. If I were the parents, I would have skipped the incompetent United customer service service and immediately called the police, filed a missing person report and asked for an Amber alert. Perhaps that would have gotten United’s attention. I do hope a lawsuit follows. I have been a loyal United customer but now believe families should boycott the airline. This is just so totally negligent, bordering on child abuse.

  503. Grubtrotters Avatar

    I wonder whether United employees can be prosecuted criminally for child endangerment. If I were the parents, I would have skipped the incompetent United customer service service and immediately called the police, filed a missing person report and asked for an Amber alert. Perhaps that would have gotten United’s attention. I do hope a lawsuit follows. I have been a loyal United customer but now believe families should boycott the airline. This is just so totally negligent, bordering on child abuse.

  504. Grubtrotters Avatar

    I wonder whether United employees can be prosecuted criminally for child endangerment. If I were the parents, I would have skipped the incompetent United customer service service and immediately called the police, filed a missing person report and asked for an Amber alert. Perhaps that would have gotten United’s attention. I do hope a lawsuit follows. I have been a loyal United customer but now believe families should boycott the airline. This is just so totally negligent, bordering on child abuse.

  505. Danaseilhan Avatar

    I’m glad Southwest works out for you, but I will never fly them. I’m overweight, and several times now they have been abusive of overweight passengers. They have also been abusive of Muslim passengers. It is a pervasive pattern and they can apologize all they want, but flying airlines is tough enough, I’m already afraid to do it because of the TSA’s shenanigans, and I don’t need humiliation from the airline itself on top of that.
    So, chalk it up to TWO airlines now that I refuse to fly. Or to send my daughter on til she’s about thirty, apparently. I say that tongue in cheek, but I hope you get what I mean.
    (I shouldn’t have to say this but yes, I’m losing the weight. But you can’t tell by looking at a fat person that they are losing weight because it’s not visible in real time. Which is part of the problem with judging us worthy of humiliation, if being over normal BMI really is worthy of punishment. Which I’m not saying you agree with or anything, I just thought I’d throw that out there.)

  506. Danaseilhan Avatar

    I’m glad Southwest works out for you, but I will never fly them. I’m overweight, and several times now they have been abusive of overweight passengers. They have also been abusive of Muslim passengers. It is a pervasive pattern and they can apologize all they want, but flying airlines is tough enough, I’m already afraid to do it because of the TSA’s shenanigans, and I don’t need humiliation from the airline itself on top of that.
    So, chalk it up to TWO airlines now that I refuse to fly. Or to send my daughter on til she’s about thirty, apparently. I say that tongue in cheek, but I hope you get what I mean.
    (I shouldn’t have to say this but yes, I’m losing the weight. But you can’t tell by looking at a fat person that they are losing weight because it’s not visible in real time. Which is part of the problem with judging us worthy of humiliation, if being over normal BMI really is worthy of punishment. Which I’m not saying you agree with or anything, I just thought I’d throw that out there.)

  507. Danaseilhan Avatar

    I’m glad Southwest works out for you, but I will never fly them. I’m overweight, and several times now they have been abusive of overweight passengers. They have also been abusive of Muslim passengers. It is a pervasive pattern and they can apologize all they want, but flying airlines is tough enough, I’m already afraid to do it because of the TSA’s shenanigans, and I don’t need humiliation from the airline itself on top of that.
    So, chalk it up to TWO airlines now that I refuse to fly. Or to send my daughter on til she’s about thirty, apparently. I say that tongue in cheek, but I hope you get what I mean.
    (I shouldn’t have to say this but yes, I’m losing the weight. But you can’t tell by looking at a fat person that they are losing weight because it’s not visible in real time. Which is part of the problem with judging us worthy of humiliation, if being over normal BMI really is worthy of punishment. Which I’m not saying you agree with or anything, I just thought I’d throw that out there.)

  508. Danaseilhan Avatar

    I’m glad Southwest works out for you, but I will never fly them. I’m overweight, and several times now they have been abusive of overweight passengers. They have also been abusive of Muslim passengers. It is a pervasive pattern and they can apologize all they want, but flying airlines is tough enough, I’m already afraid to do it because of the TSA’s shenanigans, and I don’t need humiliation from the airline itself on top of that.
    So, chalk it up to TWO airlines now that I refuse to fly. Or to send my daughter on til she’s about thirty, apparently. I say that tongue in cheek, but I hope you get what I mean.
    (I shouldn’t have to say this but yes, I’m losing the weight. But you can’t tell by looking at a fat person that they are losing weight because it’s not visible in real time. Which is part of the problem with judging us worthy of humiliation, if being over normal BMI really is worthy of punishment. Which I’m not saying you agree with or anything, I just thought I’d throw that out there.)

  509. Danaseilhan Avatar

    I’m glad Southwest works out for you, but I will never fly them. I’m overweight, and several times now they have been abusive of overweight passengers. They have also been abusive of Muslim passengers. It is a pervasive pattern and they can apologize all they want, but flying airlines is tough enough, I’m already afraid to do it because of the TSA’s shenanigans, and I don’t need humiliation from the airline itself on top of that.
    So, chalk it up to TWO airlines now that I refuse to fly. Or to send my daughter on til she’s about thirty, apparently. I say that tongue in cheek, but I hope you get what I mean.
    (I shouldn’t have to say this but yes, I’m losing the weight. But you can’t tell by looking at a fat person that they are losing weight because it’s not visible in real time. Which is part of the problem with judging us worthy of humiliation, if being over normal BMI really is worthy of punishment. Which I’m not saying you agree with or anything, I just thought I’d throw that out there.)

  510. Danaseilhan Avatar

    I’m glad Southwest works out for you, but I will never fly them. I’m overweight, and several times now they have been abusive of overweight passengers. They have also been abusive of Muslim passengers. It is a pervasive pattern and they can apologize all they want, but flying airlines is tough enough, I’m already afraid to do it because of the TSA’s shenanigans, and I don’t need humiliation from the airline itself on top of that.
    So, chalk it up to TWO airlines now that I refuse to fly. Or to send my daughter on til she’s about thirty, apparently. I say that tongue in cheek, but I hope you get what I mean.
    (I shouldn’t have to say this but yes, I’m losing the weight. But you can’t tell by looking at a fat person that they are losing weight because it’s not visible in real time. Which is part of the problem with judging us worthy of humiliation, if being over normal BMI really is worthy of punishment. Which I’m not saying you agree with or anything, I just thought I’d throw that out there.)

  511. Danaseilhan Avatar

    I’m glad Southwest works out for you, but I will never fly them. I’m overweight, and several times now they have been abusive of overweight passengers. They have also been abusive of Muslim passengers. It is a pervasive pattern and they can apologize all they want, but flying airlines is tough enough, I’m already afraid to do it because of the TSA’s shenanigans, and I don’t need humiliation from the airline itself on top of that.
    So, chalk it up to TWO airlines now that I refuse to fly. Or to send my daughter on til she’s about thirty, apparently. I say that tongue in cheek, but I hope you get what I mean.
    (I shouldn’t have to say this but yes, I’m losing the weight. But you can’t tell by looking at a fat person that they are losing weight because it’s not visible in real time. Which is part of the problem with judging us worthy of humiliation, if being over normal BMI really is worthy of punishment. Which I’m not saying you agree with or anything, I just thought I’d throw that out there.)

  512. Danaseilhan Avatar

    I’m glad Southwest works out for you, but I will never fly them. I’m overweight, and several times now they have been abusive of overweight passengers. They have also been abusive of Muslim passengers. It is a pervasive pattern and they can apologize all they want, but flying airlines is tough enough, I’m already afraid to do it because of the TSA’s shenanigans, and I don’t need humiliation from the airline itself on top of that.
    So, chalk it up to TWO airlines now that I refuse to fly. Or to send my daughter on til she’s about thirty, apparently. I say that tongue in cheek, but I hope you get what I mean.
    (I shouldn’t have to say this but yes, I’m losing the weight. But you can’t tell by looking at a fat person that they are losing weight because it’s not visible in real time. Which is part of the problem with judging us worthy of humiliation, if being over normal BMI really is worthy of punishment. Which I’m not saying you agree with or anything, I just thought I’d throw that out there.)

  513. Amandabutterworth Avatar

    United Airlines is by far the worst airlines company on the face of the planet. I have flown a lot and I cannot even describe to you the sheer frustration I experienced and observed in their employees the last time I flew with them. I will spare you the pathetic details of how my 8 month pregnant self and two year old daughter ended up abandoned in El Paso and had to provide ourselves with a hotel room for the night for the next flight. I will tell you my father nearly had an anneurism as he exploded at the despondant and condescending gate staff, who, refused to allow my daughter and I on a flight we were thirty seconds late for (they were told we were coming and to hold the flight beacuse it was THEIR fault at the front desk for our tardiness getting through security). Walking away from the gates that day we were in complete shock at how a company could be, for lack of better words, so F***** up. Really, from the heartless ticketing agents, the EVIL gate staff, to the incompetent phone operators and system, their computer system, EVERYTHING is an abysmal MESS. And everyone who has commented on here is right. So uncaring and practically sociopathic. Lacking in empathy to the tenth degree.
    A little down the hallway hanging our heads in dissapoinment, my father picked up a little and started to giggle. He then jingled a couple of keys in the air as his eyes sparkled. What are they, I asked. That idiot gatekeepers desk keys, he answered. WE both laughed. United belittled us to the state of stupid helpless abandoned children in the airport terminal that day and we did exactly what children in that situation would do.Exact revenge in the only manner we could when no other sources of help or comfort were offered. Those keys are tucked away and offer a little chuckle when I glance upon them, the only consolation UNited could offer me and a reminder to adamantly tell the entire world: NEVER FLY UNITED.

  514. Amandabutterworth Avatar

    United Airlines is by far the worst airlines company on the face of the planet. I have flown a lot and I cannot even describe to you the sheer frustration I experienced and observed in their employees the last time I flew with them. I will spare you the pathetic details of how my 8 month pregnant self and two year old daughter ended up abandoned in El Paso and had to provide ourselves with a hotel room for the night for the next flight. I will tell you my father nearly had an anneurism as he exploded at the despondant and condescending gate staff, who, refused to allow my daughter and I on a flight we were thirty seconds late for (they were told we were coming and to hold the flight beacuse it was THEIR fault at the front desk for our tardiness getting through security). Walking away from the gates that day we were in complete shock at how a company could be, for lack of better words, so F***** up. Really, from the heartless ticketing agents, the EVIL gate staff, to the incompetent phone operators and system, their computer system, EVERYTHING is an abysmal MESS. And everyone who has commented on here is right. So uncaring and practically sociopathic. Lacking in empathy to the tenth degree.
    A little down the hallway hanging our heads in dissapoinment, my father picked up a little and started to giggle. He then jingled a couple of keys in the air as his eyes sparkled. What are they, I asked. That idiot gatekeepers desk keys, he answered. WE both laughed. United belittled us to the state of stupid helpless abandoned children in the airport terminal that day and we did exactly what children in that situation would do.Exact revenge in the only manner we could when no other sources of help or comfort were offered. Those keys are tucked away and offer a little chuckle when I glance upon them, the only consolation UNited could offer me and a reminder to adamantly tell the entire world: NEVER FLY UNITED.

  515. Amandabutterworth Avatar

    United Airlines is by far the worst airlines company on the face of the planet. I have flown a lot and I cannot even describe to you the sheer frustration I experienced and observed in their employees the last time I flew with them. I will spare you the pathetic details of how my 8 month pregnant self and two year old daughter ended up abandoned in El Paso and had to provide ourselves with a hotel room for the night for the next flight. I will tell you my father nearly had an anneurism as he exploded at the despondant and condescending gate staff, who, refused to allow my daughter and I on a flight we were thirty seconds late for (they were told we were coming and to hold the flight beacuse it was THEIR fault at the front desk for our tardiness getting through security). Walking away from the gates that day we were in complete shock at how a company could be, for lack of better words, so F***** up. Really, from the heartless ticketing agents, the EVIL gate staff, to the incompetent phone operators and system, their computer system, EVERYTHING is an abysmal MESS. And everyone who has commented on here is right. So uncaring and practically sociopathic. Lacking in empathy to the tenth degree.
    A little down the hallway hanging our heads in dissapoinment, my father picked up a little and started to giggle. He then jingled a couple of keys in the air as his eyes sparkled. What are they, I asked. That idiot gatekeepers desk keys, he answered. WE both laughed. United belittled us to the state of stupid helpless abandoned children in the airport terminal that day and we did exactly what children in that situation would do.Exact revenge in the only manner we could when no other sources of help or comfort were offered. Those keys are tucked away and offer a little chuckle when I glance upon them, the only consolation UNited could offer me and a reminder to adamantly tell the entire world: NEVER FLY UNITED.

  516. Amandabutterworth Avatar

    United Airlines is by far the worst airlines company on the face of the planet. I have flown a lot and I cannot even describe to you the sheer frustration I experienced and observed in their employees the last time I flew with them. I will spare you the pathetic details of how my 8 month pregnant self and two year old daughter ended up abandoned in El Paso and had to provide ourselves with a hotel room for the night for the next flight. I will tell you my father nearly had an anneurism as he exploded at the despondant and condescending gate staff, who, refused to allow my daughter and I on a flight we were thirty seconds late for (they were told we were coming and to hold the flight beacuse it was THEIR fault at the front desk for our tardiness getting through security). Walking away from the gates that day we were in complete shock at how a company could be, for lack of better words, so F***** up. Really, from the heartless ticketing agents, the EVIL gate staff, to the incompetent phone operators and system, their computer system, EVERYTHING is an abysmal MESS. And everyone who has commented on here is right. So uncaring and practically sociopathic. Lacking in empathy to the tenth degree.
    A little down the hallway hanging our heads in dissapoinment, my father picked up a little and started to giggle. He then jingled a couple of keys in the air as his eyes sparkled. What are they, I asked. That idiot gatekeepers desk keys, he answered. WE both laughed. United belittled us to the state of stupid helpless abandoned children in the airport terminal that day and we did exactly what children in that situation would do.Exact revenge in the only manner we could when no other sources of help or comfort were offered. Those keys are tucked away and offer a little chuckle when I glance upon them, the only consolation UNited could offer me and a reminder to adamantly tell the entire world: NEVER FLY UNITED.

  517. Amandabutterworth Avatar

    United Airlines is by far the worst airlines company on the face of the planet. I have flown a lot and I cannot even describe to you the sheer frustration I experienced and observed in their employees the last time I flew with them. I will spare you the pathetic details of how my 8 month pregnant self and two year old daughter ended up abandoned in El Paso and had to provide ourselves with a hotel room for the night for the next flight. I will tell you my father nearly had an anneurism as he exploded at the despondant and condescending gate staff, who, refused to allow my daughter and I on a flight we were thirty seconds late for (they were told we were coming and to hold the flight beacuse it was THEIR fault at the front desk for our tardiness getting through security). Walking away from the gates that day we were in complete shock at how a company could be, for lack of better words, so F***** up. Really, from the heartless ticketing agents, the EVIL gate staff, to the incompetent phone operators and system, their computer system, EVERYTHING is an abysmal MESS. And everyone who has commented on here is right. So uncaring and practically sociopathic. Lacking in empathy to the tenth degree.
    A little down the hallway hanging our heads in dissapoinment, my father picked up a little and started to giggle. He then jingled a couple of keys in the air as his eyes sparkled. What are they, I asked. That idiot gatekeepers desk keys, he answered. WE both laughed. United belittled us to the state of stupid helpless abandoned children in the airport terminal that day and we did exactly what children in that situation would do.Exact revenge in the only manner we could when no other sources of help or comfort were offered. Those keys are tucked away and offer a little chuckle when I glance upon them, the only consolation UNited could offer me and a reminder to adamantly tell the entire world: NEVER FLY UNITED.

  518. Amandabutterworth Avatar

    United Airlines is by far the worst airlines company on the face of the planet. I have flown a lot and I cannot even describe to you the sheer frustration I experienced and observed in their employees the last time I flew with them. I will spare you the pathetic details of how my 8 month pregnant self and two year old daughter ended up abandoned in El Paso and had to provide ourselves with a hotel room for the night for the next flight. I will tell you my father nearly had an anneurism as he exploded at the despondant and condescending gate staff, who, refused to allow my daughter and I on a flight we were thirty seconds late for (they were told we were coming and to hold the flight beacuse it was THEIR fault at the front desk for our tardiness getting through security). Walking away from the gates that day we were in complete shock at how a company could be, for lack of better words, so F***** up. Really, from the heartless ticketing agents, the EVIL gate staff, to the incompetent phone operators and system, their computer system, EVERYTHING is an abysmal MESS. And everyone who has commented on here is right. So uncaring and practically sociopathic. Lacking in empathy to the tenth degree.
    A little down the hallway hanging our heads in dissapoinment, my father picked up a little and started to giggle. He then jingled a couple of keys in the air as his eyes sparkled. What are they, I asked. That idiot gatekeepers desk keys, he answered. WE both laughed. United belittled us to the state of stupid helpless abandoned children in the airport terminal that day and we did exactly what children in that situation would do.Exact revenge in the only manner we could when no other sources of help or comfort were offered. Those keys are tucked away and offer a little chuckle when I glance upon them, the only consolation UNited could offer me and a reminder to adamantly tell the entire world: NEVER FLY UNITED.

  519. Amandabutterworth Avatar

    United Airlines is by far the worst airlines company on the face of the planet. I have flown a lot and I cannot even describe to you the sheer frustration I experienced and observed in their employees the last time I flew with them. I will spare you the pathetic details of how my 8 month pregnant self and two year old daughter ended up abandoned in El Paso and had to provide ourselves with a hotel room for the night for the next flight. I will tell you my father nearly had an anneurism as he exploded at the despondant and condescending gate staff, who, refused to allow my daughter and I on a flight we were thirty seconds late for (they were told we were coming and to hold the flight beacuse it was THEIR fault at the front desk for our tardiness getting through security). Walking away from the gates that day we were in complete shock at how a company could be, for lack of better words, so F***** up. Really, from the heartless ticketing agents, the EVIL gate staff, to the incompetent phone operators and system, their computer system, EVERYTHING is an abysmal MESS. And everyone who has commented on here is right. So uncaring and practically sociopathic. Lacking in empathy to the tenth degree.
    A little down the hallway hanging our heads in dissapoinment, my father picked up a little and started to giggle. He then jingled a couple of keys in the air as his eyes sparkled. What are they, I asked. That idiot gatekeepers desk keys, he answered. WE both laughed. United belittled us to the state of stupid helpless abandoned children in the airport terminal that day and we did exactly what children in that situation would do.Exact revenge in the only manner we could when no other sources of help or comfort were offered. Those keys are tucked away and offer a little chuckle when I glance upon them, the only consolation UNited could offer me and a reminder to adamantly tell the entire world: NEVER FLY UNITED.

  520. Amandabutterworth Avatar

    United Airlines is by far the worst airlines company on the face of the planet. I have flown a lot and I cannot even describe to you the sheer frustration I experienced and observed in their employees the last time I flew with them. I will spare you the pathetic details of how my 8 month pregnant self and two year old daughter ended up abandoned in El Paso and had to provide ourselves with a hotel room for the night for the next flight. I will tell you my father nearly had an anneurism as he exploded at the despondant and condescending gate staff, who, refused to allow my daughter and I on a flight we were thirty seconds late for (they were told we were coming and to hold the flight beacuse it was THEIR fault at the front desk for our tardiness getting through security). Walking away from the gates that day we were in complete shock at how a company could be, for lack of better words, so F***** up. Really, from the heartless ticketing agents, the EVIL gate staff, to the incompetent phone operators and system, their computer system, EVERYTHING is an abysmal MESS. And everyone who has commented on here is right. So uncaring and practically sociopathic. Lacking in empathy to the tenth degree.
    A little down the hallway hanging our heads in dissapoinment, my father picked up a little and started to giggle. He then jingled a couple of keys in the air as his eyes sparkled. What are they, I asked. That idiot gatekeepers desk keys, he answered. WE both laughed. United belittled us to the state of stupid helpless abandoned children in the airport terminal that day and we did exactly what children in that situation would do.Exact revenge in the only manner we could when no other sources of help or comfort were offered. Those keys are tucked away and offer a little chuckle when I glance upon them, the only consolation UNited could offer me and a reminder to adamantly tell the entire world: NEVER FLY UNITED.

  521. Kchristieh Avatar

    Wow. I was just about to purchase three cross-country roundtrip tickets on United, but I think I’ll look for another airline.
    These stories are consistent with one I heard this weekend. A friend was flying from LAX to Maui, and his United flight was cancelled because United didn’t have a pilot to fly the plane. When he finally did board the plane, he was seated in coach behind a honeymooning couple who had purchased tickets in first class, but since they weren’t on their original flight there was no room in first class. My friend asked the flight attendent if he could purchase them champagne, since he knew she was serving it to the first class passengers, and she refused, saying it was just for first class. Didn’t matter that this sweet young couple had actually paid for first class. Same thing happened when he asked if he could pay for the nice first class meal for them.
    No more United.

  522. Kchristieh Avatar

    Wow. I was just about to purchase three cross-country roundtrip tickets on United, but I think I’ll look for another airline.
    These stories are consistent with one I heard this weekend. A friend was flying from LAX to Maui, and his United flight was cancelled because United didn’t have a pilot to fly the plane. When he finally did board the plane, he was seated in coach behind a honeymooning couple who had purchased tickets in first class, but since they weren’t on their original flight there was no room in first class. My friend asked the flight attendent if he could purchase them champagne, since he knew she was serving it to the first class passengers, and she refused, saying it was just for first class. Didn’t matter that this sweet young couple had actually paid for first class. Same thing happened when he asked if he could pay for the nice first class meal for them.
    No more United.

  523. Kchristieh Avatar

    Wow. I was just about to purchase three cross-country roundtrip tickets on United, but I think I’ll look for another airline.
    These stories are consistent with one I heard this weekend. A friend was flying from LAX to Maui, and his United flight was cancelled because United didn’t have a pilot to fly the plane. When he finally did board the plane, he was seated in coach behind a honeymooning couple who had purchased tickets in first class, but since they weren’t on their original flight there was no room in first class. My friend asked the flight attendent if he could purchase them champagne, since he knew she was serving it to the first class passengers, and she refused, saying it was just for first class. Didn’t matter that this sweet young couple had actually paid for first class. Same thing happened when he asked if he could pay for the nice first class meal for them.
    No more United.

  524. Kchristieh Avatar

    Wow. I was just about to purchase three cross-country roundtrip tickets on United, but I think I’ll look for another airline.
    These stories are consistent with one I heard this weekend. A friend was flying from LAX to Maui, and his United flight was cancelled because United didn’t have a pilot to fly the plane. When he finally did board the plane, he was seated in coach behind a honeymooning couple who had purchased tickets in first class, but since they weren’t on their original flight there was no room in first class. My friend asked the flight attendent if he could purchase them champagne, since he knew she was serving it to the first class passengers, and she refused, saying it was just for first class. Didn’t matter that this sweet young couple had actually paid for first class. Same thing happened when he asked if he could pay for the nice first class meal for them.
    No more United.

  525. Kchristieh Avatar

    Wow. I was just about to purchase three cross-country roundtrip tickets on United, but I think I’ll look for another airline.
    These stories are consistent with one I heard this weekend. A friend was flying from LAX to Maui, and his United flight was cancelled because United didn’t have a pilot to fly the plane. When he finally did board the plane, he was seated in coach behind a honeymooning couple who had purchased tickets in first class, but since they weren’t on their original flight there was no room in first class. My friend asked the flight attendent if he could purchase them champagne, since he knew she was serving it to the first class passengers, and she refused, saying it was just for first class. Didn’t matter that this sweet young couple had actually paid for first class. Same thing happened when he asked if he could pay for the nice first class meal for them.
    No more United.

  526. Kchristieh Avatar

    Wow. I was just about to purchase three cross-country roundtrip tickets on United, but I think I’ll look for another airline.
    These stories are consistent with one I heard this weekend. A friend was flying from LAX to Maui, and his United flight was cancelled because United didn’t have a pilot to fly the plane. When he finally did board the plane, he was seated in coach behind a honeymooning couple who had purchased tickets in first class, but since they weren’t on their original flight there was no room in first class. My friend asked the flight attendent if he could purchase them champagne, since he knew she was serving it to the first class passengers, and she refused, saying it was just for first class. Didn’t matter that this sweet young couple had actually paid for first class. Same thing happened when he asked if he could pay for the nice first class meal for them.
    No more United.

  527. Kchristieh Avatar

    Wow. I was just about to purchase three cross-country roundtrip tickets on United, but I think I’ll look for another airline.
    These stories are consistent with one I heard this weekend. A friend was flying from LAX to Maui, and his United flight was cancelled because United didn’t have a pilot to fly the plane. When he finally did board the plane, he was seated in coach behind a honeymooning couple who had purchased tickets in first class, but since they weren’t on their original flight there was no room in first class. My friend asked the flight attendent if he could purchase them champagne, since he knew she was serving it to the first class passengers, and she refused, saying it was just for first class. Didn’t matter that this sweet young couple had actually paid for first class. Same thing happened when he asked if he could pay for the nice first class meal for them.
    No more United.

  528. Kchristieh Avatar

    Wow. I was just about to purchase three cross-country roundtrip tickets on United, but I think I’ll look for another airline.
    These stories are consistent with one I heard this weekend. A friend was flying from LAX to Maui, and his United flight was cancelled because United didn’t have a pilot to fly the plane. When he finally did board the plane, he was seated in coach behind a honeymooning couple who had purchased tickets in first class, but since they weren’t on their original flight there was no room in first class. My friend asked the flight attendent if he could purchase them champagne, since he knew she was serving it to the first class passengers, and she refused, saying it was just for first class. Didn’t matter that this sweet young couple had actually paid for first class. Same thing happened when he asked if he could pay for the nice first class meal for them.
    No more United.

  529. Lucia Pena Avatar

    I agree with United being the “worst” of airlines and this article scares me to death as I sometimes bring my grandchildren unaccompanied from AZ to OR. I have had two different personal nightmares stories with my travels on United.
    I disagree with comments that it is our fault if we continue to fly with them.
    1. We have a small airport with United Express connecting to flights with United and prices are double just to fly to a hub. The nearest major airport is a 4hr drive away.
    2. Not everyone can afford to upgrade to 1st class. I have to to search for flights based on cheap costs.This year I couldn’t afford the outlandish costs to bring my grandchildren here. Flights prices have doubled and tripled plus the fees for unaccompanied children and baggage fees.

  530. Lucia Pena Avatar

    I agree with United being the “worst” of airlines and this article scares me to death as I sometimes bring my grandchildren unaccompanied from AZ to OR. I have had two different personal nightmares stories with my travels on United.
    I disagree with comments that it is our fault if we continue to fly with them.
    1. We have a small airport with United Express connecting to flights with United and prices are double just to fly to a hub. The nearest major airport is a 4hr drive away.
    2. Not everyone can afford to upgrade to 1st class. I have to to search for flights based on cheap costs.This year I couldn’t afford the outlandish costs to bring my grandchildren here. Flights prices have doubled and tripled plus the fees for unaccompanied children and baggage fees.

  531. Lucia Pena Avatar

    I agree with United being the “worst” of airlines and this article scares me to death as I sometimes bring my grandchildren unaccompanied from AZ to OR. I have had two different personal nightmares stories with my travels on United.
    I disagree with comments that it is our fault if we continue to fly with them.
    1. We have a small airport with United Express connecting to flights with United and prices are double just to fly to a hub. The nearest major airport is a 4hr drive away.
    2. Not everyone can afford to upgrade to 1st class. I have to to search for flights based on cheap costs.This year I couldn’t afford the outlandish costs to bring my grandchildren here. Flights prices have doubled and tripled plus the fees for unaccompanied children and baggage fees.

  532. Lucia Pena Avatar

    I agree with United being the “worst” of airlines and this article scares me to death as I sometimes bring my grandchildren unaccompanied from AZ to OR. I have had two different personal nightmares stories with my travels on United.
    I disagree with comments that it is our fault if we continue to fly with them.
    1. We have a small airport with United Express connecting to flights with United and prices are double just to fly to a hub. The nearest major airport is a 4hr drive away.
    2. Not everyone can afford to upgrade to 1st class. I have to to search for flights based on cheap costs.This year I couldn’t afford the outlandish costs to bring my grandchildren here. Flights prices have doubled and tripled plus the fees for unaccompanied children and baggage fees.

  533. Lucia Pena Avatar

    I agree with United being the “worst” of airlines and this article scares me to death as I sometimes bring my grandchildren unaccompanied from AZ to OR. I have had two different personal nightmares stories with my travels on United.
    I disagree with comments that it is our fault if we continue to fly with them.
    1. We have a small airport with United Express connecting to flights with United and prices are double just to fly to a hub. The nearest major airport is a 4hr drive away.
    2. Not everyone can afford to upgrade to 1st class. I have to to search for flights based on cheap costs.This year I couldn’t afford the outlandish costs to bring my grandchildren here. Flights prices have doubled and tripled plus the fees for unaccompanied children and baggage fees.

  534. Lucia Pena Avatar

    I agree with United being the “worst” of airlines and this article scares me to death as I sometimes bring my grandchildren unaccompanied from AZ to OR. I have had two different personal nightmares stories with my travels on United.
    I disagree with comments that it is our fault if we continue to fly with them.
    1. We have a small airport with United Express connecting to flights with United and prices are double just to fly to a hub. The nearest major airport is a 4hr drive away.
    2. Not everyone can afford to upgrade to 1st class. I have to to search for flights based on cheap costs.This year I couldn’t afford the outlandish costs to bring my grandchildren here. Flights prices have doubled and tripled plus the fees for unaccompanied children and baggage fees.

  535. Lucia Pena Avatar

    I agree with United being the “worst” of airlines and this article scares me to death as I sometimes bring my grandchildren unaccompanied from AZ to OR. I have had two different personal nightmares stories with my travels on United.
    I disagree with comments that it is our fault if we continue to fly with them.
    1. We have a small airport with United Express connecting to flights with United and prices are double just to fly to a hub. The nearest major airport is a 4hr drive away.
    2. Not everyone can afford to upgrade to 1st class. I have to to search for flights based on cheap costs.This year I couldn’t afford the outlandish costs to bring my grandchildren here. Flights prices have doubled and tripled plus the fees for unaccompanied children and baggage fees.

  536. Lucia Pena Avatar

    I agree with United being the “worst” of airlines and this article scares me to death as I sometimes bring my grandchildren unaccompanied from AZ to OR. I have had two different personal nightmares stories with my travels on United.
    I disagree with comments that it is our fault if we continue to fly with them.
    1. We have a small airport with United Express connecting to flights with United and prices are double just to fly to a hub. The nearest major airport is a 4hr drive away.
    2. Not everyone can afford to upgrade to 1st class. I have to to search for flights based on cheap costs.This year I couldn’t afford the outlandish costs to bring my grandchildren here. Flights prices have doubled and tripled plus the fees for unaccompanied children and baggage fees.

  537. Iluminameluna.wordpress.com Avatar

    I’ve not flown United for over 2 decades, which is around the time they became, as a company, so despondent. Somehow, they, as many other companies since, lost their way & ended up in the mire of apathy.
    They USED TO care. They had decent food & their employees were friendly. You had a good feeling sitting in one of their planes & knowing you would arrive fairly on time but in a good mood regardless. You could hear in the “buzz” of conversation if you listened (I’m a geek that does that kind of thing). In my life, paying attention to how customers are reacting to a business, whether a fast-food joint or a hospital, tells me what I can expect as a client. If the “buzz” seems negative, you can bet I’m not going to stick around. &, in the end, that’s what you want to promulgate as a business: the concept of customer satisfaction. You don’t get that if your management doesn’t care ’cause it’s their treatment of employees that eventually permeates their customer service.
    I didn’t understand that until I got to work at a youth hostel. Our staff was given room & board in exchange for cleaning & maintenance, so you, as a manager (or asst mgr when I began) had to make it a daily mantra to motivate all the young adults who “worked” w/ us.
    The mantra: we are a service industry. If we don’t have satisfied customers, they don’t come back & tell others to stay away. & if we don’t get positive feedback, that’s ok, because the NEGATIVE feedback of lousy cust svc is SO much WORSE! & No customers means NO job! & NO job means no hostel for you to stay in or to work for. & THAT ultimately was the clincher. I’d tell them: DON’T burn your bridges. Leave a place with the ppl in them missing you & knowing they will greet you with a smile when you return. ‘Cause you never know when you have to cross THAT bridge.
    United has forgotten. Maybe they thought that good customer service didn’t save them from bankruptcy, money did, but how many more times will they be “acquired”, & in increasingly worse compensatory situations, until they regain some semblance of good management? The resulting improved cust satisfaction as a result of good cust svc might just save them but it HAS to come from the top.
    In my case, whenever my boss made noises about the cost of hair conditioner & disposable shavers & ear swabs, I’d argue that they were the incentives that made the staff stay. My carrot, so to speak. The stick? I’d fire a staff member on the spot for bad behavior in front of customers or whoever argued w/ the cooks (really!). Those fired “kids” would start to realize, and complain, about the cost of providing their own meals, paying for their bed, having to buy their own toiletries & generally all the “extras” beyond the basic room & board. That kept the apathy to a minimum & despite having a fairly low occupancy rate, I didn’t have too many negative customer comments & most of my staff have remained friends.
    Someone needs to up the ante over at United.

  538. Iluminameluna.wordpress.com Avatar

    I’ve not flown United for over 2 decades, which is around the time they became, as a company, so despondent. Somehow, they, as many other companies since, lost their way & ended up in the mire of apathy.
    They USED TO care. They had decent food & their employees were friendly. You had a good feeling sitting in one of their planes & knowing you would arrive fairly on time but in a good mood regardless. You could hear in the “buzz” of conversation if you listened (I’m a geek that does that kind of thing). In my life, paying attention to how customers are reacting to a business, whether a fast-food joint or a hospital, tells me what I can expect as a client. If the “buzz” seems negative, you can bet I’m not going to stick around. &, in the end, that’s what you want to promulgate as a business: the concept of customer satisfaction. You don’t get that if your management doesn’t care ’cause it’s their treatment of employees that eventually permeates their customer service.
    I didn’t understand that until I got to work at a youth hostel. Our staff was given room & board in exchange for cleaning & maintenance, so you, as a manager (or asst mgr when I began) had to make it a daily mantra to motivate all the young adults who “worked” w/ us.
    The mantra: we are a service industry. If we don’t have satisfied customers, they don’t come back & tell others to stay away. & if we don’t get positive feedback, that’s ok, because the NEGATIVE feedback of lousy cust svc is SO much WORSE! & No customers means NO job! & NO job means no hostel for you to stay in or to work for. & THAT ultimately was the clincher. I’d tell them: DON’T burn your bridges. Leave a place with the ppl in them missing you & knowing they will greet you with a smile when you return. ‘Cause you never know when you have to cross THAT bridge.
    United has forgotten. Maybe they thought that good customer service didn’t save them from bankruptcy, money did, but how many more times will they be “acquired”, & in increasingly worse compensatory situations, until they regain some semblance of good management? The resulting improved cust satisfaction as a result of good cust svc might just save them but it HAS to come from the top.
    In my case, whenever my boss made noises about the cost of hair conditioner & disposable shavers & ear swabs, I’d argue that they were the incentives that made the staff stay. My carrot, so to speak. The stick? I’d fire a staff member on the spot for bad behavior in front of customers or whoever argued w/ the cooks (really!). Those fired “kids” would start to realize, and complain, about the cost of providing their own meals, paying for their bed, having to buy their own toiletries & generally all the “extras” beyond the basic room & board. That kept the apathy to a minimum & despite having a fairly low occupancy rate, I didn’t have too many negative customer comments & most of my staff have remained friends.
    Someone needs to up the ante over at United.

  539. Iluminameluna.wordpress.com Avatar

    I’ve not flown United for over 2 decades, which is around the time they became, as a company, so despondent. Somehow, they, as many other companies since, lost their way & ended up in the mire of apathy.
    They USED TO care. They had decent food & their employees were friendly. You had a good feeling sitting in one of their planes & knowing you would arrive fairly on time but in a good mood regardless. You could hear in the “buzz” of conversation if you listened (I’m a geek that does that kind of thing). In my life, paying attention to how customers are reacting to a business, whether a fast-food joint or a hospital, tells me what I can expect as a client. If the “buzz” seems negative, you can bet I’m not going to stick around. &, in the end, that’s what you want to promulgate as a business: the concept of customer satisfaction. You don’t get that if your management doesn’t care ’cause it’s their treatment of employees that eventually permeates their customer service.
    I didn’t understand that until I got to work at a youth hostel. Our staff was given room & board in exchange for cleaning & maintenance, so you, as a manager (or asst mgr when I began) had to make it a daily mantra to motivate all the young adults who “worked” w/ us.
    The mantra: we are a service industry. If we don’t have satisfied customers, they don’t come back & tell others to stay away. & if we don’t get positive feedback, that’s ok, because the NEGATIVE feedback of lousy cust svc is SO much WORSE! & No customers means NO job! & NO job means no hostel for you to stay in or to work for. & THAT ultimately was the clincher. I’d tell them: DON’T burn your bridges. Leave a place with the ppl in them missing you & knowing they will greet you with a smile when you return. ‘Cause you never know when you have to cross THAT bridge.
    United has forgotten. Maybe they thought that good customer service didn’t save them from bankruptcy, money did, but how many more times will they be “acquired”, & in increasingly worse compensatory situations, until they regain some semblance of good management? The resulting improved cust satisfaction as a result of good cust svc might just save them but it HAS to come from the top.
    In my case, whenever my boss made noises about the cost of hair conditioner & disposable shavers & ear swabs, I’d argue that they were the incentives that made the staff stay. My carrot, so to speak. The stick? I’d fire a staff member on the spot for bad behavior in front of customers or whoever argued w/ the cooks (really!). Those fired “kids” would start to realize, and complain, about the cost of providing their own meals, paying for their bed, having to buy their own toiletries & generally all the “extras” beyond the basic room & board. That kept the apathy to a minimum & despite having a fairly low occupancy rate, I didn’t have too many negative customer comments & most of my staff have remained friends.
    Someone needs to up the ante over at United.

  540. Iluminameluna.wordpress.com Avatar

    I’ve not flown United for over 2 decades, which is around the time they became, as a company, so despondent. Somehow, they, as many other companies since, lost their way & ended up in the mire of apathy.
    They USED TO care. They had decent food & their employees were friendly. You had a good feeling sitting in one of their planes & knowing you would arrive fairly on time but in a good mood regardless. You could hear in the “buzz” of conversation if you listened (I’m a geek that does that kind of thing). In my life, paying attention to how customers are reacting to a business, whether a fast-food joint or a hospital, tells me what I can expect as a client. If the “buzz” seems negative, you can bet I’m not going to stick around. &, in the end, that’s what you want to promulgate as a business: the concept of customer satisfaction. You don’t get that if your management doesn’t care ’cause it’s their treatment of employees that eventually permeates their customer service.
    I didn’t understand that until I got to work at a youth hostel. Our staff was given room & board in exchange for cleaning & maintenance, so you, as a manager (or asst mgr when I began) had to make it a daily mantra to motivate all the young adults who “worked” w/ us.
    The mantra: we are a service industry. If we don’t have satisfied customers, they don’t come back & tell others to stay away. & if we don’t get positive feedback, that’s ok, because the NEGATIVE feedback of lousy cust svc is SO much WORSE! & No customers means NO job! & NO job means no hostel for you to stay in or to work for. & THAT ultimately was the clincher. I’d tell them: DON’T burn your bridges. Leave a place with the ppl in them missing you & knowing they will greet you with a smile when you return. ‘Cause you never know when you have to cross THAT bridge.
    United has forgotten. Maybe they thought that good customer service didn’t save them from bankruptcy, money did, but how many more times will they be “acquired”, & in increasingly worse compensatory situations, until they regain some semblance of good management? The resulting improved cust satisfaction as a result of good cust svc might just save them but it HAS to come from the top.
    In my case, whenever my boss made noises about the cost of hair conditioner & disposable shavers & ear swabs, I’d argue that they were the incentives that made the staff stay. My carrot, so to speak. The stick? I’d fire a staff member on the spot for bad behavior in front of customers or whoever argued w/ the cooks (really!). Those fired “kids” would start to realize, and complain, about the cost of providing their own meals, paying for their bed, having to buy their own toiletries & generally all the “extras” beyond the basic room & board. That kept the apathy to a minimum & despite having a fairly low occupancy rate, I didn’t have too many negative customer comments & most of my staff have remained friends.
    Someone needs to up the ante over at United.

  541. Iluminameluna.wordpress.com Avatar

    I’ve not flown United for over 2 decades, which is around the time they became, as a company, so despondent. Somehow, they, as many other companies since, lost their way & ended up in the mire of apathy.
    They USED TO care. They had decent food & their employees were friendly. You had a good feeling sitting in one of their planes & knowing you would arrive fairly on time but in a good mood regardless. You could hear in the “buzz” of conversation if you listened (I’m a geek that does that kind of thing). In my life, paying attention to how customers are reacting to a business, whether a fast-food joint or a hospital, tells me what I can expect as a client. If the “buzz” seems negative, you can bet I’m not going to stick around. &, in the end, that’s what you want to promulgate as a business: the concept of customer satisfaction. You don’t get that if your management doesn’t care ’cause it’s their treatment of employees that eventually permeates their customer service.
    I didn’t understand that until I got to work at a youth hostel. Our staff was given room & board in exchange for cleaning & maintenance, so you, as a manager (or asst mgr when I began) had to make it a daily mantra to motivate all the young adults who “worked” w/ us.
    The mantra: we are a service industry. If we don’t have satisfied customers, they don’t come back & tell others to stay away. & if we don’t get positive feedback, that’s ok, because the NEGATIVE feedback of lousy cust svc is SO much WORSE! & No customers means NO job! & NO job means no hostel for you to stay in or to work for. & THAT ultimately was the clincher. I’d tell them: DON’T burn your bridges. Leave a place with the ppl in them missing you & knowing they will greet you with a smile when you return. ‘Cause you never know when you have to cross THAT bridge.
    United has forgotten. Maybe they thought that good customer service didn’t save them from bankruptcy, money did, but how many more times will they be “acquired”, & in increasingly worse compensatory situations, until they regain some semblance of good management? The resulting improved cust satisfaction as a result of good cust svc might just save them but it HAS to come from the top.
    In my case, whenever my boss made noises about the cost of hair conditioner & disposable shavers & ear swabs, I’d argue that they were the incentives that made the staff stay. My carrot, so to speak. The stick? I’d fire a staff member on the spot for bad behavior in front of customers or whoever argued w/ the cooks (really!). Those fired “kids” would start to realize, and complain, about the cost of providing their own meals, paying for their bed, having to buy their own toiletries & generally all the “extras” beyond the basic room & board. That kept the apathy to a minimum & despite having a fairly low occupancy rate, I didn’t have too many negative customer comments & most of my staff have remained friends.
    Someone needs to up the ante over at United.

  542. Iluminameluna.wordpress.com Avatar

    I’ve not flown United for over 2 decades, which is around the time they became, as a company, so despondent. Somehow, they, as many other companies since, lost their way & ended up in the mire of apathy.
    They USED TO care. They had decent food & their employees were friendly. You had a good feeling sitting in one of their planes & knowing you would arrive fairly on time but in a good mood regardless. You could hear in the “buzz” of conversation if you listened (I’m a geek that does that kind of thing). In my life, paying attention to how customers are reacting to a business, whether a fast-food joint or a hospital, tells me what I can expect as a client. If the “buzz” seems negative, you can bet I’m not going to stick around. &, in the end, that’s what you want to promulgate as a business: the concept of customer satisfaction. You don’t get that if your management doesn’t care ’cause it’s their treatment of employees that eventually permeates their customer service.
    I didn’t understand that until I got to work at a youth hostel. Our staff was given room & board in exchange for cleaning & maintenance, so you, as a manager (or asst mgr when I began) had to make it a daily mantra to motivate all the young adults who “worked” w/ us.
    The mantra: we are a service industry. If we don’t have satisfied customers, they don’t come back & tell others to stay away. & if we don’t get positive feedback, that’s ok, because the NEGATIVE feedback of lousy cust svc is SO much WORSE! & No customers means NO job! & NO job means no hostel for you to stay in or to work for. & THAT ultimately was the clincher. I’d tell them: DON’T burn your bridges. Leave a place with the ppl in them missing you & knowing they will greet you with a smile when you return. ‘Cause you never know when you have to cross THAT bridge.
    United has forgotten. Maybe they thought that good customer service didn’t save them from bankruptcy, money did, but how many more times will they be “acquired”, & in increasingly worse compensatory situations, until they regain some semblance of good management? The resulting improved cust satisfaction as a result of good cust svc might just save them but it HAS to come from the top.
    In my case, whenever my boss made noises about the cost of hair conditioner & disposable shavers & ear swabs, I’d argue that they were the incentives that made the staff stay. My carrot, so to speak. The stick? I’d fire a staff member on the spot for bad behavior in front of customers or whoever argued w/ the cooks (really!). Those fired “kids” would start to realize, and complain, about the cost of providing their own meals, paying for their bed, having to buy their own toiletries & generally all the “extras” beyond the basic room & board. That kept the apathy to a minimum & despite having a fairly low occupancy rate, I didn’t have too many negative customer comments & most of my staff have remained friends.
    Someone needs to up the ante over at United.

  543. Iluminameluna.wordpress.com Avatar

    I’ve not flown United for over 2 decades, which is around the time they became, as a company, so despondent. Somehow, they, as many other companies since, lost their way & ended up in the mire of apathy.
    They USED TO care. They had decent food & their employees were friendly. You had a good feeling sitting in one of their planes & knowing you would arrive fairly on time but in a good mood regardless. You could hear in the “buzz” of conversation if you listened (I’m a geek that does that kind of thing). In my life, paying attention to how customers are reacting to a business, whether a fast-food joint or a hospital, tells me what I can expect as a client. If the “buzz” seems negative, you can bet I’m not going to stick around. &, in the end, that’s what you want to promulgate as a business: the concept of customer satisfaction. You don’t get that if your management doesn’t care ’cause it’s their treatment of employees that eventually permeates their customer service.
    I didn’t understand that until I got to work at a youth hostel. Our staff was given room & board in exchange for cleaning & maintenance, so you, as a manager (or asst mgr when I began) had to make it a daily mantra to motivate all the young adults who “worked” w/ us.
    The mantra: we are a service industry. If we don’t have satisfied customers, they don’t come back & tell others to stay away. & if we don’t get positive feedback, that’s ok, because the NEGATIVE feedback of lousy cust svc is SO much WORSE! & No customers means NO job! & NO job means no hostel for you to stay in or to work for. & THAT ultimately was the clincher. I’d tell them: DON’T burn your bridges. Leave a place with the ppl in them missing you & knowing they will greet you with a smile when you return. ‘Cause you never know when you have to cross THAT bridge.
    United has forgotten. Maybe they thought that good customer service didn’t save them from bankruptcy, money did, but how many more times will they be “acquired”, & in increasingly worse compensatory situations, until they regain some semblance of good management? The resulting improved cust satisfaction as a result of good cust svc might just save them but it HAS to come from the top.
    In my case, whenever my boss made noises about the cost of hair conditioner & disposable shavers & ear swabs, I’d argue that they were the incentives that made the staff stay. My carrot, so to speak. The stick? I’d fire a staff member on the spot for bad behavior in front of customers or whoever argued w/ the cooks (really!). Those fired “kids” would start to realize, and complain, about the cost of providing their own meals, paying for their bed, having to buy their own toiletries & generally all the “extras” beyond the basic room & board. That kept the apathy to a minimum & despite having a fairly low occupancy rate, I didn’t have too many negative customer comments & most of my staff have remained friends.
    Someone needs to up the ante over at United.

  544. Iluminameluna.wordpress.com Avatar

    I’ve not flown United for over 2 decades, which is around the time they became, as a company, so despondent. Somehow, they, as many other companies since, lost their way & ended up in the mire of apathy.
    They USED TO care. They had decent food & their employees were friendly. You had a good feeling sitting in one of their planes & knowing you would arrive fairly on time but in a good mood regardless. You could hear in the “buzz” of conversation if you listened (I’m a geek that does that kind of thing). In my life, paying attention to how customers are reacting to a business, whether a fast-food joint or a hospital, tells me what I can expect as a client. If the “buzz” seems negative, you can bet I’m not going to stick around. &, in the end, that’s what you want to promulgate as a business: the concept of customer satisfaction. You don’t get that if your management doesn’t care ’cause it’s their treatment of employees that eventually permeates their customer service.
    I didn’t understand that until I got to work at a youth hostel. Our staff was given room & board in exchange for cleaning & maintenance, so you, as a manager (or asst mgr when I began) had to make it a daily mantra to motivate all the young adults who “worked” w/ us.
    The mantra: we are a service industry. If we don’t have satisfied customers, they don’t come back & tell others to stay away. & if we don’t get positive feedback, that’s ok, because the NEGATIVE feedback of lousy cust svc is SO much WORSE! & No customers means NO job! & NO job means no hostel for you to stay in or to work for. & THAT ultimately was the clincher. I’d tell them: DON’T burn your bridges. Leave a place with the ppl in them missing you & knowing they will greet you with a smile when you return. ‘Cause you never know when you have to cross THAT bridge.
    United has forgotten. Maybe they thought that good customer service didn’t save them from bankruptcy, money did, but how many more times will they be “acquired”, & in increasingly worse compensatory situations, until they regain some semblance of good management? The resulting improved cust satisfaction as a result of good cust svc might just save them but it HAS to come from the top.
    In my case, whenever my boss made noises about the cost of hair conditioner & disposable shavers & ear swabs, I’d argue that they were the incentives that made the staff stay. My carrot, so to speak. The stick? I’d fire a staff member on the spot for bad behavior in front of customers or whoever argued w/ the cooks (really!). Those fired “kids” would start to realize, and complain, about the cost of providing their own meals, paying for their bed, having to buy their own toiletries & generally all the “extras” beyond the basic room & board. That kept the apathy to a minimum & despite having a fairly low occupancy rate, I didn’t have too many negative customer comments & most of my staff have remained friends.
    Someone needs to up the ante over at United.

  545. jik Avatar

    In the ever increasing demand for higher profits, corporations are required to squeeze every single dollar they can from wherever they can. Morality has no place in profits and efficiency. A corporation is a soulless entity created and nurtured to make money.
    While I am certain there are many corporations which fit this mode, there are also many which do not.
    There’s no intrinsic reason why morality would be at odds with profits and efficiency. There are plenty of businesses, large and small, which are profitable, efficient, and moral and which treat their customers well.
    Indeed, one could argue that while treating one’s customers poorly might yield short-term profits, in the long term it is bad for business.
    For example, thinking back on the numerous software companies I’ve worked for, the majority of them considered delighting their customers to be their primary path to success, and some of them were even profitable. 🙂

  546. jik Avatar

    In the ever increasing demand for higher profits, corporations are required to squeeze every single dollar they can from wherever they can. Morality has no place in profits and efficiency. A corporation is a soulless entity created and nurtured to make money.
    While I am certain there are many corporations which fit this mode, there are also many which do not.
    There’s no intrinsic reason why morality would be at odds with profits and efficiency. There are plenty of businesses, large and small, which are profitable, efficient, and moral and which treat their customers well.
    Indeed, one could argue that while treating one’s customers poorly might yield short-term profits, in the long term it is bad for business.
    For example, thinking back on the numerous software companies I’ve worked for, the majority of them considered delighting their customers to be their primary path to success, and some of them were even profitable. 🙂

  547. jik Avatar

    In the ever increasing demand for higher profits, corporations are required to squeeze every single dollar they can from wherever they can. Morality has no place in profits and efficiency. A corporation is a soulless entity created and nurtured to make money.
    While I am certain there are many corporations which fit this mode, there are also many which do not.
    There’s no intrinsic reason why morality would be at odds with profits and efficiency. There are plenty of businesses, large and small, which are profitable, efficient, and moral and which treat their customers well.
    Indeed, one could argue that while treating one’s customers poorly might yield short-term profits, in the long term it is bad for business.
    For example, thinking back on the numerous software companies I’ve worked for, the majority of them considered delighting their customers to be their primary path to success, and some of them were even profitable. 🙂

  548. jik Avatar

    In the ever increasing demand for higher profits, corporations are required to squeeze every single dollar they can from wherever they can. Morality has no place in profits and efficiency. A corporation is a soulless entity created and nurtured to make money.
    While I am certain there are many corporations which fit this mode, there are also many which do not.
    There’s no intrinsic reason why morality would be at odds with profits and efficiency. There are plenty of businesses, large and small, which are profitable, efficient, and moral and which treat their customers well.
    Indeed, one could argue that while treating one’s customers poorly might yield short-term profits, in the long term it is bad for business.
    For example, thinking back on the numerous software companies I’ve worked for, the majority of them considered delighting their customers to be their primary path to success, and some of them were even profitable. 🙂

  549. jik Avatar

    In the ever increasing demand for higher profits, corporations are required to squeeze every single dollar they can from wherever they can. Morality has no place in profits and efficiency. A corporation is a soulless entity created and nurtured to make money.
    While I am certain there are many corporations which fit this mode, there are also many which do not.
    There’s no intrinsic reason why morality would be at odds with profits and efficiency. There are plenty of businesses, large and small, which are profitable, efficient, and moral and which treat their customers well.
    Indeed, one could argue that while treating one’s customers poorly might yield short-term profits, in the long term it is bad for business.
    For example, thinking back on the numerous software companies I’ve worked for, the majority of them considered delighting their customers to be their primary path to success, and some of them were even profitable. 🙂

  550. jik Avatar

    In the ever increasing demand for higher profits, corporations are required to squeeze every single dollar they can from wherever they can. Morality has no place in profits and efficiency. A corporation is a soulless entity created and nurtured to make money.
    While I am certain there are many corporations which fit this mode, there are also many which do not.
    There’s no intrinsic reason why morality would be at odds with profits and efficiency. There are plenty of businesses, large and small, which are profitable, efficient, and moral and which treat their customers well.
    Indeed, one could argue that while treating one’s customers poorly might yield short-term profits, in the long term it is bad for business.
    For example, thinking back on the numerous software companies I’ve worked for, the majority of them considered delighting their customers to be their primary path to success, and some of them were even profitable. 🙂

  551. jik Avatar

    In the ever increasing demand for higher profits, corporations are required to squeeze every single dollar they can from wherever they can. Morality has no place in profits and efficiency. A corporation is a soulless entity created and nurtured to make money.
    While I am certain there are many corporations which fit this mode, there are also many which do not.
    There’s no intrinsic reason why morality would be at odds with profits and efficiency. There are plenty of businesses, large and small, which are profitable, efficient, and moral and which treat their customers well.
    Indeed, one could argue that while treating one’s customers poorly might yield short-term profits, in the long term it is bad for business.
    For example, thinking back on the numerous software companies I’ve worked for, the majority of them considered delighting their customers to be their primary path to success, and some of them were even profitable. 🙂

  552. jik Avatar

    In the ever increasing demand for higher profits, corporations are required to squeeze every single dollar they can from wherever they can. Morality has no place in profits and efficiency. A corporation is a soulless entity created and nurtured to make money.
    While I am certain there are many corporations which fit this mode, there are also many which do not.
    There’s no intrinsic reason why morality would be at odds with profits and efficiency. There are plenty of businesses, large and small, which are profitable, efficient, and moral and which treat their customers well.
    Indeed, one could argue that while treating one’s customers poorly might yield short-term profits, in the long term it is bad for business.
    For example, thinking back on the numerous software companies I’ve worked for, the majority of them considered delighting their customers to be their primary path to success, and some of them were even profitable. 🙂

  553. Mliebow Avatar

    Bob, you seem selective about what comments to show on your blog. They all seem to support your contention that UA is bad and lost your friend’s child. I’m not a fan of UA, quite the contrary, avoid the airline. Which makes this situation even more peculiar given friend’s elite status. Suffice to say, UA never actually lost their daughter. They treated the child like they treat all passengers: crap. I could be flip and add — what do you expect for $99? Suffice to say, I’d never put my own child in the care of strangers on a cross-country flight. Heck, I don’t even trust my bag to the airline, why would I trust my child, aged parent, pet .. and yes, guitar — or any possession I dearly loved. Your friend’s should have known. Moreover, they should have given the child a cell phone. Moreover, they should have accompanied the child to Grand Rapids — nice to take your kid to camp. Experience to treasure.
    I suggest you accept a more balanced view in your blog. Given the coverage of this story — comments on major media seem to be running 50/50 for/against UA but mostly condeming the parents for their stupidity.
    Let’s see if you post this one.

  554. Mliebow Avatar

    Bob, you seem selective about what comments to show on your blog. They all seem to support your contention that UA is bad and lost your friend’s child. I’m not a fan of UA, quite the contrary, avoid the airline. Which makes this situation even more peculiar given friend’s elite status. Suffice to say, UA never actually lost their daughter. They treated the child like they treat all passengers: crap. I could be flip and add — what do you expect for $99? Suffice to say, I’d never put my own child in the care of strangers on a cross-country flight. Heck, I don’t even trust my bag to the airline, why would I trust my child, aged parent, pet .. and yes, guitar — or any possession I dearly loved. Your friend’s should have known. Moreover, they should have given the child a cell phone. Moreover, they should have accompanied the child to Grand Rapids — nice to take your kid to camp. Experience to treasure.
    I suggest you accept a more balanced view in your blog. Given the coverage of this story — comments on major media seem to be running 50/50 for/against UA but mostly condeming the parents for their stupidity.
    Let’s see if you post this one.

  555. Mliebow Avatar

    Bob, you seem selective about what comments to show on your blog. They all seem to support your contention that UA is bad and lost your friend’s child. I’m not a fan of UA, quite the contrary, avoid the airline. Which makes this situation even more peculiar given friend’s elite status. Suffice to say, UA never actually lost their daughter. They treated the child like they treat all passengers: crap. I could be flip and add — what do you expect for $99? Suffice to say, I’d never put my own child in the care of strangers on a cross-country flight. Heck, I don’t even trust my bag to the airline, why would I trust my child, aged parent, pet .. and yes, guitar — or any possession I dearly loved. Your friend’s should have known. Moreover, they should have given the child a cell phone. Moreover, they should have accompanied the child to Grand Rapids — nice to take your kid to camp. Experience to treasure.
    I suggest you accept a more balanced view in your blog. Given the coverage of this story — comments on major media seem to be running 50/50 for/against UA but mostly condeming the parents for their stupidity.
    Let’s see if you post this one.

  556. Mliebow Avatar

    Bob, you seem selective about what comments to show on your blog. They all seem to support your contention that UA is bad and lost your friend’s child. I’m not a fan of UA, quite the contrary, avoid the airline. Which makes this situation even more peculiar given friend’s elite status. Suffice to say, UA never actually lost their daughter. They treated the child like they treat all passengers: crap. I could be flip and add — what do you expect for $99? Suffice to say, I’d never put my own child in the care of strangers on a cross-country flight. Heck, I don’t even trust my bag to the airline, why would I trust my child, aged parent, pet .. and yes, guitar — or any possession I dearly loved. Your friend’s should have known. Moreover, they should have given the child a cell phone. Moreover, they should have accompanied the child to Grand Rapids — nice to take your kid to camp. Experience to treasure.
    I suggest you accept a more balanced view in your blog. Given the coverage of this story — comments on major media seem to be running 50/50 for/against UA but mostly condeming the parents for their stupidity.
    Let’s see if you post this one.

  557. Mliebow Avatar

    Bob, you seem selective about what comments to show on your blog. They all seem to support your contention that UA is bad and lost your friend’s child. I’m not a fan of UA, quite the contrary, avoid the airline. Which makes this situation even more peculiar given friend’s elite status. Suffice to say, UA never actually lost their daughter. They treated the child like they treat all passengers: crap. I could be flip and add — what do you expect for $99? Suffice to say, I’d never put my own child in the care of strangers on a cross-country flight. Heck, I don’t even trust my bag to the airline, why would I trust my child, aged parent, pet .. and yes, guitar — or any possession I dearly loved. Your friend’s should have known. Moreover, they should have given the child a cell phone. Moreover, they should have accompanied the child to Grand Rapids — nice to take your kid to camp. Experience to treasure.
    I suggest you accept a more balanced view in your blog. Given the coverage of this story — comments on major media seem to be running 50/50 for/against UA but mostly condeming the parents for their stupidity.
    Let’s see if you post this one.

  558. Mliebow Avatar

    Bob, you seem selective about what comments to show on your blog. They all seem to support your contention that UA is bad and lost your friend’s child. I’m not a fan of UA, quite the contrary, avoid the airline. Which makes this situation even more peculiar given friend’s elite status. Suffice to say, UA never actually lost their daughter. They treated the child like they treat all passengers: crap. I could be flip and add — what do you expect for $99? Suffice to say, I’d never put my own child in the care of strangers on a cross-country flight. Heck, I don’t even trust my bag to the airline, why would I trust my child, aged parent, pet .. and yes, guitar — or any possession I dearly loved. Your friend’s should have known. Moreover, they should have given the child a cell phone. Moreover, they should have accompanied the child to Grand Rapids — nice to take your kid to camp. Experience to treasure.
    I suggest you accept a more balanced view in your blog. Given the coverage of this story — comments on major media seem to be running 50/50 for/against UA but mostly condeming the parents for their stupidity.
    Let’s see if you post this one.

  559. Mliebow Avatar

    Bob, you seem selective about what comments to show on your blog. They all seem to support your contention that UA is bad and lost your friend’s child. I’m not a fan of UA, quite the contrary, avoid the airline. Which makes this situation even more peculiar given friend’s elite status. Suffice to say, UA never actually lost their daughter. They treated the child like they treat all passengers: crap. I could be flip and add — what do you expect for $99? Suffice to say, I’d never put my own child in the care of strangers on a cross-country flight. Heck, I don’t even trust my bag to the airline, why would I trust my child, aged parent, pet .. and yes, guitar — or any possession I dearly loved. Your friend’s should have known. Moreover, they should have given the child a cell phone. Moreover, they should have accompanied the child to Grand Rapids — nice to take your kid to camp. Experience to treasure.
    I suggest you accept a more balanced view in your blog. Given the coverage of this story — comments on major media seem to be running 50/50 for/against UA but mostly condeming the parents for their stupidity.
    Let’s see if you post this one.

  560. Mliebow Avatar

    Bob, you seem selective about what comments to show on your blog. They all seem to support your contention that UA is bad and lost your friend’s child. I’m not a fan of UA, quite the contrary, avoid the airline. Which makes this situation even more peculiar given friend’s elite status. Suffice to say, UA never actually lost their daughter. They treated the child like they treat all passengers: crap. I could be flip and add — what do you expect for $99? Suffice to say, I’d never put my own child in the care of strangers on a cross-country flight. Heck, I don’t even trust my bag to the airline, why would I trust my child, aged parent, pet .. and yes, guitar — or any possession I dearly loved. Your friend’s should have known. Moreover, they should have given the child a cell phone. Moreover, they should have accompanied the child to Grand Rapids — nice to take your kid to camp. Experience to treasure.
    I suggest you accept a more balanced view in your blog. Given the coverage of this story — comments on major media seem to be running 50/50 for/against UA but mostly condeming the parents for their stupidity.
    Let’s see if you post this one.

  561. Bheilbrunn54 Avatar

    Look United gate service employees make between $10-$13 dollars an hour. Of course they don’t care. You get what you pay for.

  562. Bheilbrunn54 Avatar

    Look United gate service employees make between $10-$13 dollars an hour. Of course they don’t care. You get what you pay for.

  563. Bheilbrunn54 Avatar

    Look United gate service employees make between $10-$13 dollars an hour. Of course they don’t care. You get what you pay for.

  564. Bheilbrunn54 Avatar

    Look United gate service employees make between $10-$13 dollars an hour. Of course they don’t care. You get what you pay for.

  565. Bheilbrunn54 Avatar

    Look United gate service employees make between $10-$13 dollars an hour. Of course they don’t care. You get what you pay for.

  566. Bheilbrunn54 Avatar

    Look United gate service employees make between $10-$13 dollars an hour. Of course they don’t care. You get what you pay for.

  567. Bheilbrunn54 Avatar

    Look United gate service employees make between $10-$13 dollars an hour. Of course they don’t care. You get what you pay for.

  568. Bheilbrunn54 Avatar

    Look United gate service employees make between $10-$13 dollars an hour. Of course they don’t care. You get what you pay for.

  569. JiminAla Avatar

    My story doesn’t compare with the seriousness of losing a child, but I too will no longer fly United. Traveling on a business trip from Huntsville to Dulles, they managed to lose my GATE CHECKED bag. On a direct flight. For 3 weeks. At Dulles, after waiting 30 min. in the gate area for my bag, I was to go to the baggage carousel for the flight. I waited there for over an hour, then was told by Baggage Service to go all the way back to my gate to “be sure it’s not there”. I did. When I returned, I was told to “wait another hour and see if it comes up” before they would file a ticket. Then, they decided I needed to go check *all* the other baggage areas in Dulles to be sure it wasn’t on another carousel. At the time I had a broken toe, which was very obvious as I was limping and wearing shoes with holes cut out for my toe. If you’ve ever been to Dulles, you know that it’s a huge place. I asked repeatedly for a cart to help take me all the places they wanted me to go, but they said sorry, those have to be reserved in advance of the flight. They were completely uncaring, and each time I spoke to Baggage folks I had to wait in line 15-20 minutes, while only one of the 3 people at the counter was actually serving customers (the other two were just talking and drinking coffee, ignoring all the customers, for a period of several hours while I came and went). I never found my bag, and United never lifted a finger or called anyone (even when I asked) to try to help me. Finally, 3 hours after landing, I filed a missing bag report. My bag never showed up during my trip, so I had to wear the same clothes for 3 days. They said they were “out of” the little packages of toothpaste, etc. they usually hand out in cases like that, so I had to buy my own. On my flight back, the plane was late, and the passengers were told NOT to leave the boarding area or they would risk losing their seat. There were no restrooms nearby, so even though I needed to “go”, I waited to get on the plane. Then, with NO advance warning, once we got on the plane… the only restroom was “Out of Service”. When I asked, they would not let me deplane to use the restroom; if I did they said I’d lose my seat and would not be eligible to be rebooked (the next day) without paying for the flight because I’d “abandoned” my flight after boarding. They didn’t care that I had to “go”, that wasn’t their problem. To say I was uncomfortable during the 90 minute flight would be a gross understatement. But back to my bag, here’s the best part: after calling United several times (including baggage service and the United counter at my local airport), everyone told me they had searched and searched everywhere for my bag but it was still missing, either it was stolen or all the tags on it must have come off. So I filed the “long form” missing bag report after the 14 day waiting period. Then, about a week later, a Delta representative called me from my local airport. They said they had seen my bag in the common baggage area, noticed it had been there a long time, and saw my name and local number clearly on the 2 tags on the bag… so they took the initiative to call me. I went and picked up my bag from Delta, and ALL the tags were still on it, including the gate check tag. United apparently at some point routed my bag back to my local airport… but never called me, and never entered that fact into their system. i never heard anything more from my “long form missing bag” report, and was never contacted or compensated by United in any way. I filed a complaint with Corporate but got no reply. Needless to say, no more United for me, and I now tell this story to everyone I know.

  570. JiminAla Avatar

    My story doesn’t compare with the seriousness of losing a child, but I too will no longer fly United. Traveling on a business trip from Huntsville to Dulles, they managed to lose my GATE CHECKED bag. On a direct flight. For 3 weeks. At Dulles, after waiting 30 min. in the gate area for my bag, I was to go to the baggage carousel for the flight. I waited there for over an hour, then was told by Baggage Service to go all the way back to my gate to “be sure it’s not there”. I did. When I returned, I was told to “wait another hour and see if it comes up” before they would file a ticket. Then, they decided I needed to go check *all* the other baggage areas in Dulles to be sure it wasn’t on another carousel. At the time I had a broken toe, which was very obvious as I was limping and wearing shoes with holes cut out for my toe. If you’ve ever been to Dulles, you know that it’s a huge place. I asked repeatedly for a cart to help take me all the places they wanted me to go, but they said sorry, those have to be reserved in advance of the flight. They were completely uncaring, and each time I spoke to Baggage folks I had to wait in line 15-20 minutes, while only one of the 3 people at the counter was actually serving customers (the other two were just talking and drinking coffee, ignoring all the customers, for a period of several hours while I came and went). I never found my bag, and United never lifted a finger or called anyone (even when I asked) to try to help me. Finally, 3 hours after landing, I filed a missing bag report. My bag never showed up during my trip, so I had to wear the same clothes for 3 days. They said they were “out of” the little packages of toothpaste, etc. they usually hand out in cases like that, so I had to buy my own. On my flight back, the plane was late, and the passengers were told NOT to leave the boarding area or they would risk losing their seat. There were no restrooms nearby, so even though I needed to “go”, I waited to get on the plane. Then, with NO advance warning, once we got on the plane… the only restroom was “Out of Service”. When I asked, they would not let me deplane to use the restroom; if I did they said I’d lose my seat and would not be eligible to be rebooked (the next day) without paying for the flight because I’d “abandoned” my flight after boarding. They didn’t care that I had to “go”, that wasn’t their problem. To say I was uncomfortable during the 90 minute flight would be a gross understatement. But back to my bag, here’s the best part: after calling United several times (including baggage service and the United counter at my local airport), everyone told me they had searched and searched everywhere for my bag but it was still missing, either it was stolen or all the tags on it must have come off. So I filed the “long form” missing bag report after the 14 day waiting period. Then, about a week later, a Delta representative called me from my local airport. They said they had seen my bag in the common baggage area, noticed it had been there a long time, and saw my name and local number clearly on the 2 tags on the bag… so they took the initiative to call me. I went and picked up my bag from Delta, and ALL the tags were still on it, including the gate check tag. United apparently at some point routed my bag back to my local airport… but never called me, and never entered that fact into their system. i never heard anything more from my “long form missing bag” report, and was never contacted or compensated by United in any way. I filed a complaint with Corporate but got no reply. Needless to say, no more United for me, and I now tell this story to everyone I know.

  571. JiminAla Avatar

    My story doesn’t compare with the seriousness of losing a child, but I too will no longer fly United. Traveling on a business trip from Huntsville to Dulles, they managed to lose my GATE CHECKED bag. On a direct flight. For 3 weeks. At Dulles, after waiting 30 min. in the gate area for my bag, I was to go to the baggage carousel for the flight. I waited there for over an hour, then was told by Baggage Service to go all the way back to my gate to “be sure it’s not there”. I did. When I returned, I was told to “wait another hour and see if it comes up” before they would file a ticket. Then, they decided I needed to go check *all* the other baggage areas in Dulles to be sure it wasn’t on another carousel. At the time I had a broken toe, which was very obvious as I was limping and wearing shoes with holes cut out for my toe. If you’ve ever been to Dulles, you know that it’s a huge place. I asked repeatedly for a cart to help take me all the places they wanted me to go, but they said sorry, those have to be reserved in advance of the flight. They were completely uncaring, and each time I spoke to Baggage folks I had to wait in line 15-20 minutes, while only one of the 3 people at the counter was actually serving customers (the other two were just talking and drinking coffee, ignoring all the customers, for a period of several hours while I came and went). I never found my bag, and United never lifted a finger or called anyone (even when I asked) to try to help me. Finally, 3 hours after landing, I filed a missing bag report. My bag never showed up during my trip, so I had to wear the same clothes for 3 days. They said they were “out of” the little packages of toothpaste, etc. they usually hand out in cases like that, so I had to buy my own. On my flight back, the plane was late, and the passengers were told NOT to leave the boarding area or they would risk losing their seat. There were no restrooms nearby, so even though I needed to “go”, I waited to get on the plane. Then, with NO advance warning, once we got on the plane… the only restroom was “Out of Service”. When I asked, they would not let me deplane to use the restroom; if I did they said I’d lose my seat and would not be eligible to be rebooked (the next day) without paying for the flight because I’d “abandoned” my flight after boarding. They didn’t care that I had to “go”, that wasn’t their problem. To say I was uncomfortable during the 90 minute flight would be a gross understatement. But back to my bag, here’s the best part: after calling United several times (including baggage service and the United counter at my local airport), everyone told me they had searched and searched everywhere for my bag but it was still missing, either it was stolen or all the tags on it must have come off. So I filed the “long form” missing bag report after the 14 day waiting period. Then, about a week later, a Delta representative called me from my local airport. They said they had seen my bag in the common baggage area, noticed it had been there a long time, and saw my name and local number clearly on the 2 tags on the bag… so they took the initiative to call me. I went and picked up my bag from Delta, and ALL the tags were still on it, including the gate check tag. United apparently at some point routed my bag back to my local airport… but never called me, and never entered that fact into their system. i never heard anything more from my “long form missing bag” report, and was never contacted or compensated by United in any way. I filed a complaint with Corporate but got no reply. Needless to say, no more United for me, and I now tell this story to everyone I know.

  572. JiminAla Avatar

    My story doesn’t compare with the seriousness of losing a child, but I too will no longer fly United. Traveling on a business trip from Huntsville to Dulles, they managed to lose my GATE CHECKED bag. On a direct flight. For 3 weeks. At Dulles, after waiting 30 min. in the gate area for my bag, I was to go to the baggage carousel for the flight. I waited there for over an hour, then was told by Baggage Service to go all the way back to my gate to “be sure it’s not there”. I did. When I returned, I was told to “wait another hour and see if it comes up” before they would file a ticket. Then, they decided I needed to go check *all* the other baggage areas in Dulles to be sure it wasn’t on another carousel. At the time I had a broken toe, which was very obvious as I was limping and wearing shoes with holes cut out for my toe. If you’ve ever been to Dulles, you know that it’s a huge place. I asked repeatedly for a cart to help take me all the places they wanted me to go, but they said sorry, those have to be reserved in advance of the flight. They were completely uncaring, and each time I spoke to Baggage folks I had to wait in line 15-20 minutes, while only one of the 3 people at the counter was actually serving customers (the other two were just talking and drinking coffee, ignoring all the customers, for a period of several hours while I came and went). I never found my bag, and United never lifted a finger or called anyone (even when I asked) to try to help me. Finally, 3 hours after landing, I filed a missing bag report. My bag never showed up during my trip, so I had to wear the same clothes for 3 days. They said they were “out of” the little packages of toothpaste, etc. they usually hand out in cases like that, so I had to buy my own. On my flight back, the plane was late, and the passengers were told NOT to leave the boarding area or they would risk losing their seat. There were no restrooms nearby, so even though I needed to “go”, I waited to get on the plane. Then, with NO advance warning, once we got on the plane… the only restroom was “Out of Service”. When I asked, they would not let me deplane to use the restroom; if I did they said I’d lose my seat and would not be eligible to be rebooked (the next day) without paying for the flight because I’d “abandoned” my flight after boarding. They didn’t care that I had to “go”, that wasn’t their problem. To say I was uncomfortable during the 90 minute flight would be a gross understatement. But back to my bag, here’s the best part: after calling United several times (including baggage service and the United counter at my local airport), everyone told me they had searched and searched everywhere for my bag but it was still missing, either it was stolen or all the tags on it must have come off. So I filed the “long form” missing bag report after the 14 day waiting period. Then, about a week later, a Delta representative called me from my local airport. They said they had seen my bag in the common baggage area, noticed it had been there a long time, and saw my name and local number clearly on the 2 tags on the bag… so they took the initiative to call me. I went and picked up my bag from Delta, and ALL the tags were still on it, including the gate check tag. United apparently at some point routed my bag back to my local airport… but never called me, and never entered that fact into their system. i never heard anything more from my “long form missing bag” report, and was never contacted or compensated by United in any way. I filed a complaint with Corporate but got no reply. Needless to say, no more United for me, and I now tell this story to everyone I know.

  573. JiminAla Avatar

    My story doesn’t compare with the seriousness of losing a child, but I too will no longer fly United. Traveling on a business trip from Huntsville to Dulles, they managed to lose my GATE CHECKED bag. On a direct flight. For 3 weeks. At Dulles, after waiting 30 min. in the gate area for my bag, I was to go to the baggage carousel for the flight. I waited there for over an hour, then was told by Baggage Service to go all the way back to my gate to “be sure it’s not there”. I did. When I returned, I was told to “wait another hour and see if it comes up” before they would file a ticket. Then, they decided I needed to go check *all* the other baggage areas in Dulles to be sure it wasn’t on another carousel. At the time I had a broken toe, which was very obvious as I was limping and wearing shoes with holes cut out for my toe. If you’ve ever been to Dulles, you know that it’s a huge place. I asked repeatedly for a cart to help take me all the places they wanted me to go, but they said sorry, those have to be reserved in advance of the flight. They were completely uncaring, and each time I spoke to Baggage folks I had to wait in line 15-20 minutes, while only one of the 3 people at the counter was actually serving customers (the other two were just talking and drinking coffee, ignoring all the customers, for a period of several hours while I came and went). I never found my bag, and United never lifted a finger or called anyone (even when I asked) to try to help me. Finally, 3 hours after landing, I filed a missing bag report. My bag never showed up during my trip, so I had to wear the same clothes for 3 days. They said they were “out of” the little packages of toothpaste, etc. they usually hand out in cases like that, so I had to buy my own. On my flight back, the plane was late, and the passengers were told NOT to leave the boarding area or they would risk losing their seat. There were no restrooms nearby, so even though I needed to “go”, I waited to get on the plane. Then, with NO advance warning, once we got on the plane… the only restroom was “Out of Service”. When I asked, they would not let me deplane to use the restroom; if I did they said I’d lose my seat and would not be eligible to be rebooked (the next day) without paying for the flight because I’d “abandoned” my flight after boarding. They didn’t care that I had to “go”, that wasn’t their problem. To say I was uncomfortable during the 90 minute flight would be a gross understatement. But back to my bag, here’s the best part: after calling United several times (including baggage service and the United counter at my local airport), everyone told me they had searched and searched everywhere for my bag but it was still missing, either it was stolen or all the tags on it must have come off. So I filed the “long form” missing bag report after the 14 day waiting period. Then, about a week later, a Delta representative called me from my local airport. They said they had seen my bag in the common baggage area, noticed it had been there a long time, and saw my name and local number clearly on the 2 tags on the bag… so they took the initiative to call me. I went and picked up my bag from Delta, and ALL the tags were still on it, including the gate check tag. United apparently at some point routed my bag back to my local airport… but never called me, and never entered that fact into their system. i never heard anything more from my “long form missing bag” report, and was never contacted or compensated by United in any way. I filed a complaint with Corporate but got no reply. Needless to say, no more United for me, and I now tell this story to everyone I know.

  574. JiminAla Avatar

    My story doesn’t compare with the seriousness of losing a child, but I too will no longer fly United. Traveling on a business trip from Huntsville to Dulles, they managed to lose my GATE CHECKED bag. On a direct flight. For 3 weeks. At Dulles, after waiting 30 min. in the gate area for my bag, I was to go to the baggage carousel for the flight. I waited there for over an hour, then was told by Baggage Service to go all the way back to my gate to “be sure it’s not there”. I did. When I returned, I was told to “wait another hour and see if it comes up” before they would file a ticket. Then, they decided I needed to go check *all* the other baggage areas in Dulles to be sure it wasn’t on another carousel. At the time I had a broken toe, which was very obvious as I was limping and wearing shoes with holes cut out for my toe. If you’ve ever been to Dulles, you know that it’s a huge place. I asked repeatedly for a cart to help take me all the places they wanted me to go, but they said sorry, those have to be reserved in advance of the flight. They were completely uncaring, and each time I spoke to Baggage folks I had to wait in line 15-20 minutes, while only one of the 3 people at the counter was actually serving customers (the other two were just talking and drinking coffee, ignoring all the customers, for a period of several hours while I came and went). I never found my bag, and United never lifted a finger or called anyone (even when I asked) to try to help me. Finally, 3 hours after landing, I filed a missing bag report. My bag never showed up during my trip, so I had to wear the same clothes for 3 days. They said they were “out of” the little packages of toothpaste, etc. they usually hand out in cases like that, so I had to buy my own. On my flight back, the plane was late, and the passengers were told NOT to leave the boarding area or they would risk losing their seat. There were no restrooms nearby, so even though I needed to “go”, I waited to get on the plane. Then, with NO advance warning, once we got on the plane… the only restroom was “Out of Service”. When I asked, they would not let me deplane to use the restroom; if I did they said I’d lose my seat and would not be eligible to be rebooked (the next day) without paying for the flight because I’d “abandoned” my flight after boarding. They didn’t care that I had to “go”, that wasn’t their problem. To say I was uncomfortable during the 90 minute flight would be a gross understatement. But back to my bag, here’s the best part: after calling United several times (including baggage service and the United counter at my local airport), everyone told me they had searched and searched everywhere for my bag but it was still missing, either it was stolen or all the tags on it must have come off. So I filed the “long form” missing bag report after the 14 day waiting period. Then, about a week later, a Delta representative called me from my local airport. They said they had seen my bag in the common baggage area, noticed it had been there a long time, and saw my name and local number clearly on the 2 tags on the bag… so they took the initiative to call me. I went and picked up my bag from Delta, and ALL the tags were still on it, including the gate check tag. United apparently at some point routed my bag back to my local airport… but never called me, and never entered that fact into their system. i never heard anything more from my “long form missing bag” report, and was never contacted or compensated by United in any way. I filed a complaint with Corporate but got no reply. Needless to say, no more United for me, and I now tell this story to everyone I know.

  575. JiminAla Avatar

    My story doesn’t compare with the seriousness of losing a child, but I too will no longer fly United. Traveling on a business trip from Huntsville to Dulles, they managed to lose my GATE CHECKED bag. On a direct flight. For 3 weeks. At Dulles, after waiting 30 min. in the gate area for my bag, I was to go to the baggage carousel for the flight. I waited there for over an hour, then was told by Baggage Service to go all the way back to my gate to “be sure it’s not there”. I did. When I returned, I was told to “wait another hour and see if it comes up” before they would file a ticket. Then, they decided I needed to go check *all* the other baggage areas in Dulles to be sure it wasn’t on another carousel. At the time I had a broken toe, which was very obvious as I was limping and wearing shoes with holes cut out for my toe. If you’ve ever been to Dulles, you know that it’s a huge place. I asked repeatedly for a cart to help take me all the places they wanted me to go, but they said sorry, those have to be reserved in advance of the flight. They were completely uncaring, and each time I spoke to Baggage folks I had to wait in line 15-20 minutes, while only one of the 3 people at the counter was actually serving customers (the other two were just talking and drinking coffee, ignoring all the customers, for a period of several hours while I came and went). I never found my bag, and United never lifted a finger or called anyone (even when I asked) to try to help me. Finally, 3 hours after landing, I filed a missing bag report. My bag never showed up during my trip, so I had to wear the same clothes for 3 days. They said they were “out of” the little packages of toothpaste, etc. they usually hand out in cases like that, so I had to buy my own. On my flight back, the plane was late, and the passengers were told NOT to leave the boarding area or they would risk losing their seat. There were no restrooms nearby, so even though I needed to “go”, I waited to get on the plane. Then, with NO advance warning, once we got on the plane… the only restroom was “Out of Service”. When I asked, they would not let me deplane to use the restroom; if I did they said I’d lose my seat and would not be eligible to be rebooked (the next day) without paying for the flight because I’d “abandoned” my flight after boarding. They didn’t care that I had to “go”, that wasn’t their problem. To say I was uncomfortable during the 90 minute flight would be a gross understatement. But back to my bag, here’s the best part: after calling United several times (including baggage service and the United counter at my local airport), everyone told me they had searched and searched everywhere for my bag but it was still missing, either it was stolen or all the tags on it must have come off. So I filed the “long form” missing bag report after the 14 day waiting period. Then, about a week later, a Delta representative called me from my local airport. They said they had seen my bag in the common baggage area, noticed it had been there a long time, and saw my name and local number clearly on the 2 tags on the bag… so they took the initiative to call me. I went and picked up my bag from Delta, and ALL the tags were still on it, including the gate check tag. United apparently at some point routed my bag back to my local airport… but never called me, and never entered that fact into their system. i never heard anything more from my “long form missing bag” report, and was never contacted or compensated by United in any way. I filed a complaint with Corporate but got no reply. Needless to say, no more United for me, and I now tell this story to everyone I know.

  576. JiminAla Avatar

    My story doesn’t compare with the seriousness of losing a child, but I too will no longer fly United. Traveling on a business trip from Huntsville to Dulles, they managed to lose my GATE CHECKED bag. On a direct flight. For 3 weeks. At Dulles, after waiting 30 min. in the gate area for my bag, I was to go to the baggage carousel for the flight. I waited there for over an hour, then was told by Baggage Service to go all the way back to my gate to “be sure it’s not there”. I did. When I returned, I was told to “wait another hour and see if it comes up” before they would file a ticket. Then, they decided I needed to go check *all* the other baggage areas in Dulles to be sure it wasn’t on another carousel. At the time I had a broken toe, which was very obvious as I was limping and wearing shoes with holes cut out for my toe. If you’ve ever been to Dulles, you know that it’s a huge place. I asked repeatedly for a cart to help take me all the places they wanted me to go, but they said sorry, those have to be reserved in advance of the flight. They were completely uncaring, and each time I spoke to Baggage folks I had to wait in line 15-20 minutes, while only one of the 3 people at the counter was actually serving customers (the other two were just talking and drinking coffee, ignoring all the customers, for a period of several hours while I came and went). I never found my bag, and United never lifted a finger or called anyone (even when I asked) to try to help me. Finally, 3 hours after landing, I filed a missing bag report. My bag never showed up during my trip, so I had to wear the same clothes for 3 days. They said they were “out of” the little packages of toothpaste, etc. they usually hand out in cases like that, so I had to buy my own. On my flight back, the plane was late, and the passengers were told NOT to leave the boarding area or they would risk losing their seat. There were no restrooms nearby, so even though I needed to “go”, I waited to get on the plane. Then, with NO advance warning, once we got on the plane… the only restroom was “Out of Service”. When I asked, they would not let me deplane to use the restroom; if I did they said I’d lose my seat and would not be eligible to be rebooked (the next day) without paying for the flight because I’d “abandoned” my flight after boarding. They didn’t care that I had to “go”, that wasn’t their problem. To say I was uncomfortable during the 90 minute flight would be a gross understatement. But back to my bag, here’s the best part: after calling United several times (including baggage service and the United counter at my local airport), everyone told me they had searched and searched everywhere for my bag but it was still missing, either it was stolen or all the tags on it must have come off. So I filed the “long form” missing bag report after the 14 day waiting period. Then, about a week later, a Delta representative called me from my local airport. They said they had seen my bag in the common baggage area, noticed it had been there a long time, and saw my name and local number clearly on the 2 tags on the bag… so they took the initiative to call me. I went and picked up my bag from Delta, and ALL the tags were still on it, including the gate check tag. United apparently at some point routed my bag back to my local airport… but never called me, and never entered that fact into their system. i never heard anything more from my “long form missing bag” report, and was never contacted or compensated by United in any way. I filed a complaint with Corporate but got no reply. Needless to say, no more United for me, and I now tell this story to everyone I know.

  577. MW Avatar

    All these horror stories about United …
    I’ve know for quite a few years about United employees’ attitude problem – and the fact that it got worse after the employees got, and later gave up, ownership of the airline.
    So I was very worried when Continental decided to merge with United, and even more worried when they decided to operate under the United name. (Sure, United had greater name recognition than Continental, but United’s reputation was far worse.)
    I was a very loyal Continental customer for a long time, and back in the ’90s, Gordon Bethune and Greg Brenneman (chairman and president) did a terrific job of turning the airline around and making it a place where employees liked to work. That showed in every interaction I had with Continental employees.
    Not surprisingly, both execs are gone now; I can’t help speculating that they would have turned down a merger with United because the brand was so toxic.
    Even so, I can’t help wondering if the Klebahns’ experience would have been different if young Phoebe had been transferring in Newark or Houston (old Continental hubs, presumably staffed largely with former Continental employees) rather than O’Hare (a longtime United hub).
    Myself, I’ve been lucky not to have had any terrible experiences with United, before or after the merger. I still have my Continental/United frequent flyer membership, but lately (because of the particulars of where I live and where I tend to travel these days) I usually take Delta – or, more often, Delta’s regional airline affiliates.

  578. MW Avatar

    All these horror stories about United …
    I’ve know for quite a few years about United employees’ attitude problem – and the fact that it got worse after the employees got, and later gave up, ownership of the airline.
    So I was very worried when Continental decided to merge with United, and even more worried when they decided to operate under the United name. (Sure, United had greater name recognition than Continental, but United’s reputation was far worse.)
    I was a very loyal Continental customer for a long time, and back in the ’90s, Gordon Bethune and Greg Brenneman (chairman and president) did a terrific job of turning the airline around and making it a place where employees liked to work. That showed in every interaction I had with Continental employees.
    Not surprisingly, both execs are gone now; I can’t help speculating that they would have turned down a merger with United because the brand was so toxic.
    Even so, I can’t help wondering if the Klebahns’ experience would have been different if young Phoebe had been transferring in Newark or Houston (old Continental hubs, presumably staffed largely with former Continental employees) rather than O’Hare (a longtime United hub).
    Myself, I’ve been lucky not to have had any terrible experiences with United, before or after the merger. I still have my Continental/United frequent flyer membership, but lately (because of the particulars of where I live and where I tend to travel these days) I usually take Delta – or, more often, Delta’s regional airline affiliates.

  579. MW Avatar

    All these horror stories about United …
    I’ve know for quite a few years about United employees’ attitude problem – and the fact that it got worse after the employees got, and later gave up, ownership of the airline.
    So I was very worried when Continental decided to merge with United, and even more worried when they decided to operate under the United name. (Sure, United had greater name recognition than Continental, but United’s reputation was far worse.)
    I was a very loyal Continental customer for a long time, and back in the ’90s, Gordon Bethune and Greg Brenneman (chairman and president) did a terrific job of turning the airline around and making it a place where employees liked to work. That showed in every interaction I had with Continental employees.
    Not surprisingly, both execs are gone now; I can’t help speculating that they would have turned down a merger with United because the brand was so toxic.
    Even so, I can’t help wondering if the Klebahns’ experience would have been different if young Phoebe had been transferring in Newark or Houston (old Continental hubs, presumably staffed largely with former Continental employees) rather than O’Hare (a longtime United hub).
    Myself, I’ve been lucky not to have had any terrible experiences with United, before or after the merger. I still have my Continental/United frequent flyer membership, but lately (because of the particulars of where I live and where I tend to travel these days) I usually take Delta – or, more often, Delta’s regional airline affiliates.

  580. MW Avatar

    All these horror stories about United …
    I’ve know for quite a few years about United employees’ attitude problem – and the fact that it got worse after the employees got, and later gave up, ownership of the airline.
    So I was very worried when Continental decided to merge with United, and even more worried when they decided to operate under the United name. (Sure, United had greater name recognition than Continental, but United’s reputation was far worse.)
    I was a very loyal Continental customer for a long time, and back in the ’90s, Gordon Bethune and Greg Brenneman (chairman and president) did a terrific job of turning the airline around and making it a place where employees liked to work. That showed in every interaction I had with Continental employees.
    Not surprisingly, both execs are gone now; I can’t help speculating that they would have turned down a merger with United because the brand was so toxic.
    Even so, I can’t help wondering if the Klebahns’ experience would have been different if young Phoebe had been transferring in Newark or Houston (old Continental hubs, presumably staffed largely with former Continental employees) rather than O’Hare (a longtime United hub).
    Myself, I’ve been lucky not to have had any terrible experiences with United, before or after the merger. I still have my Continental/United frequent flyer membership, but lately (because of the particulars of where I live and where I tend to travel these days) I usually take Delta – or, more often, Delta’s regional airline affiliates.

  581. MW Avatar

    All these horror stories about United …
    I’ve know for quite a few years about United employees’ attitude problem – and the fact that it got worse after the employees got, and later gave up, ownership of the airline.
    So I was very worried when Continental decided to merge with United, and even more worried when they decided to operate under the United name. (Sure, United had greater name recognition than Continental, but United’s reputation was far worse.)
    I was a very loyal Continental customer for a long time, and back in the ’90s, Gordon Bethune and Greg Brenneman (chairman and president) did a terrific job of turning the airline around and making it a place where employees liked to work. That showed in every interaction I had with Continental employees.
    Not surprisingly, both execs are gone now; I can’t help speculating that they would have turned down a merger with United because the brand was so toxic.
    Even so, I can’t help wondering if the Klebahns’ experience would have been different if young Phoebe had been transferring in Newark or Houston (old Continental hubs, presumably staffed largely with former Continental employees) rather than O’Hare (a longtime United hub).
    Myself, I’ve been lucky not to have had any terrible experiences with United, before or after the merger. I still have my Continental/United frequent flyer membership, but lately (because of the particulars of where I live and where I tend to travel these days) I usually take Delta – or, more often, Delta’s regional airline affiliates.

  582. MW Avatar

    All these horror stories about United …
    I’ve know for quite a few years about United employees’ attitude problem – and the fact that it got worse after the employees got, and later gave up, ownership of the airline.
    So I was very worried when Continental decided to merge with United, and even more worried when they decided to operate under the United name. (Sure, United had greater name recognition than Continental, but United’s reputation was far worse.)
    I was a very loyal Continental customer for a long time, and back in the ’90s, Gordon Bethune and Greg Brenneman (chairman and president) did a terrific job of turning the airline around and making it a place where employees liked to work. That showed in every interaction I had with Continental employees.
    Not surprisingly, both execs are gone now; I can’t help speculating that they would have turned down a merger with United because the brand was so toxic.
    Even so, I can’t help wondering if the Klebahns’ experience would have been different if young Phoebe had been transferring in Newark or Houston (old Continental hubs, presumably staffed largely with former Continental employees) rather than O’Hare (a longtime United hub).
    Myself, I’ve been lucky not to have had any terrible experiences with United, before or after the merger. I still have my Continental/United frequent flyer membership, but lately (because of the particulars of where I live and where I tend to travel these days) I usually take Delta – or, more often, Delta’s regional airline affiliates.

  583. MW Avatar

    All these horror stories about United …
    I’ve know for quite a few years about United employees’ attitude problem – and the fact that it got worse after the employees got, and later gave up, ownership of the airline.
    So I was very worried when Continental decided to merge with United, and even more worried when they decided to operate under the United name. (Sure, United had greater name recognition than Continental, but United’s reputation was far worse.)
    I was a very loyal Continental customer for a long time, and back in the ’90s, Gordon Bethune and Greg Brenneman (chairman and president) did a terrific job of turning the airline around and making it a place where employees liked to work. That showed in every interaction I had with Continental employees.
    Not surprisingly, both execs are gone now; I can’t help speculating that they would have turned down a merger with United because the brand was so toxic.
    Even so, I can’t help wondering if the Klebahns’ experience would have been different if young Phoebe had been transferring in Newark or Houston (old Continental hubs, presumably staffed largely with former Continental employees) rather than O’Hare (a longtime United hub).
    Myself, I’ve been lucky not to have had any terrible experiences with United, before or after the merger. I still have my Continental/United frequent flyer membership, but lately (because of the particulars of where I live and where I tend to travel these days) I usually take Delta – or, more often, Delta’s regional airline affiliates.

  584. MW Avatar

    All these horror stories about United …
    I’ve know for quite a few years about United employees’ attitude problem – and the fact that it got worse after the employees got, and later gave up, ownership of the airline.
    So I was very worried when Continental decided to merge with United, and even more worried when they decided to operate under the United name. (Sure, United had greater name recognition than Continental, but United’s reputation was far worse.)
    I was a very loyal Continental customer for a long time, and back in the ’90s, Gordon Bethune and Greg Brenneman (chairman and president) did a terrific job of turning the airline around and making it a place where employees liked to work. That showed in every interaction I had with Continental employees.
    Not surprisingly, both execs are gone now; I can’t help speculating that they would have turned down a merger with United because the brand was so toxic.
    Even so, I can’t help wondering if the Klebahns’ experience would have been different if young Phoebe had been transferring in Newark or Houston (old Continental hubs, presumably staffed largely with former Continental employees) rather than O’Hare (a longtime United hub).
    Myself, I’ve been lucky not to have had any terrible experiences with United, before or after the merger. I still have my Continental/United frequent flyer membership, but lately (because of the particulars of where I live and where I tend to travel these days) I usually take Delta – or, more often, Delta’s regional airline affiliates.

  585. jik Avatar

    @Mliebow
    1) You have zero evidence that Professor Sutton is censoring comments on his blog to favor a particular point of view. I believe him to be a man of integrity, and I find the baseless accusation offensive.
    2) Here is what my wife wrote when this happened to us three years ago and people said it was our fault for allowing our daughter to fly unaccompanied: http://blog.kamens.us/2009/06/16/for-those-who-say-we-should-have-flown-with-our-daughter/ .

  586. jik Avatar

    @Mliebow
    1) You have zero evidence that Professor Sutton is censoring comments on his blog to favor a particular point of view. I believe him to be a man of integrity, and I find the baseless accusation offensive.
    2) Here is what my wife wrote when this happened to us three years ago and people said it was our fault for allowing our daughter to fly unaccompanied: http://blog.kamens.us/2009/06/16/for-those-who-say-we-should-have-flown-with-our-daughter/ .

  587. jik Avatar

    @Mliebow
    1) You have zero evidence that Professor Sutton is censoring comments on his blog to favor a particular point of view. I believe him to be a man of integrity, and I find the baseless accusation offensive.
    2) Here is what my wife wrote when this happened to us three years ago and people said it was our fault for allowing our daughter to fly unaccompanied: http://blog.kamens.us/2009/06/16/for-those-who-say-we-should-have-flown-with-our-daughter/ .

  588. jik Avatar

    @Mliebow
    1) You have zero evidence that Professor Sutton is censoring comments on his blog to favor a particular point of view. I believe him to be a man of integrity, and I find the baseless accusation offensive.
    2) Here is what my wife wrote when this happened to us three years ago and people said it was our fault for allowing our daughter to fly unaccompanied: http://blog.kamens.us/2009/06/16/for-those-who-say-we-should-have-flown-with-our-daughter/ .

  589. jik Avatar

    @Mliebow
    1) You have zero evidence that Professor Sutton is censoring comments on his blog to favor a particular point of view. I believe him to be a man of integrity, and I find the baseless accusation offensive.
    2) Here is what my wife wrote when this happened to us three years ago and people said it was our fault for allowing our daughter to fly unaccompanied: http://blog.kamens.us/2009/06/16/for-those-who-say-we-should-have-flown-with-our-daughter/ .

  590. jik Avatar

    @Mliebow
    1) You have zero evidence that Professor Sutton is censoring comments on his blog to favor a particular point of view. I believe him to be a man of integrity, and I find the baseless accusation offensive.
    2) Here is what my wife wrote when this happened to us three years ago and people said it was our fault for allowing our daughter to fly unaccompanied: http://blog.kamens.us/2009/06/16/for-those-who-say-we-should-have-flown-with-our-daughter/ .

  591. jik Avatar

    @Mliebow
    1) You have zero evidence that Professor Sutton is censoring comments on his blog to favor a particular point of view. I believe him to be a man of integrity, and I find the baseless accusation offensive.
    2) Here is what my wife wrote when this happened to us three years ago and people said it was our fault for allowing our daughter to fly unaccompanied: http://blog.kamens.us/2009/06/16/for-those-who-say-we-should-have-flown-with-our-daughter/ .

  592. jik Avatar

    @Mliebow
    1) You have zero evidence that Professor Sutton is censoring comments on his blog to favor a particular point of view. I believe him to be a man of integrity, and I find the baseless accusation offensive.
    2) Here is what my wife wrote when this happened to us three years ago and people said it was our fault for allowing our daughter to fly unaccompanied: http://blog.kamens.us/2009/06/16/for-those-who-say-we-should-have-flown-with-our-daughter/ .

  593. jik Avatar

    @MW
    I doubt Phoebe Klebahn’s experience would have been any different if she had flown through Newark. It certainly wasn’t different for my daughter three years ago, when the Continental gate agent in Boston put her on the wrong plane, the crew of the plane she was put onto didn’t notice she was on the wrong plane, the crew of the plane she was supposed to be on didn’t notice she wasn’t there, the gate crew in Newark didn’t notice that she was supposed to be in Cleveland, and the staff in the unaccompanied minor room didn’t notice either.
    Note that most of those people signed the bottom of my daughter’s unaccompanied minor paperwork, which spelled out clearly that she was supposed to be going to Cleveland. Furthermore, the last person in the chain, the staff person in the unaccompanied room, looked at my daughter’s paperwork to get my in-laws’ phone number from it to call and chastise them for not being there (in the wrong state!) to pick up their granddaugher, and still didn’t notice that the paperwork said Cleveland, not Newark.
    http://blog.kamens.us/tag/cleveland-or-newark/?order=asc for the full story.

  594. jik Avatar

    @MW
    I doubt Phoebe Klebahn’s experience would have been any different if she had flown through Newark. It certainly wasn’t different for my daughter three years ago, when the Continental gate agent in Boston put her on the wrong plane, the crew of the plane she was put onto didn’t notice she was on the wrong plane, the crew of the plane she was supposed to be on didn’t notice she wasn’t there, the gate crew in Newark didn’t notice that she was supposed to be in Cleveland, and the staff in the unaccompanied minor room didn’t notice either.
    Note that most of those people signed the bottom of my daughter’s unaccompanied minor paperwork, which spelled out clearly that she was supposed to be going to Cleveland. Furthermore, the last person in the chain, the staff person in the unaccompanied room, looked at my daughter’s paperwork to get my in-laws’ phone number from it to call and chastise them for not being there (in the wrong state!) to pick up their granddaugher, and still didn’t notice that the paperwork said Cleveland, not Newark.
    http://blog.kamens.us/tag/cleveland-or-newark/?order=asc for the full story.

  595. jik Avatar

    @MW
    I doubt Phoebe Klebahn’s experience would have been any different if she had flown through Newark. It certainly wasn’t different for my daughter three years ago, when the Continental gate agent in Boston put her on the wrong plane, the crew of the plane she was put onto didn’t notice she was on the wrong plane, the crew of the plane she was supposed to be on didn’t notice she wasn’t there, the gate crew in Newark didn’t notice that she was supposed to be in Cleveland, and the staff in the unaccompanied minor room didn’t notice either.
    Note that most of those people signed the bottom of my daughter’s unaccompanied minor paperwork, which spelled out clearly that she was supposed to be going to Cleveland. Furthermore, the last person in the chain, the staff person in the unaccompanied room, looked at my daughter’s paperwork to get my in-laws’ phone number from it to call and chastise them for not being there (in the wrong state!) to pick up their granddaugher, and still didn’t notice that the paperwork said Cleveland, not Newark.
    http://blog.kamens.us/tag/cleveland-or-newark/?order=asc for the full story.

  596. jik Avatar

    @MW
    I doubt Phoebe Klebahn’s experience would have been any different if she had flown through Newark. It certainly wasn’t different for my daughter three years ago, when the Continental gate agent in Boston put her on the wrong plane, the crew of the plane she was put onto didn’t notice she was on the wrong plane, the crew of the plane she was supposed to be on didn’t notice she wasn’t there, the gate crew in Newark didn’t notice that she was supposed to be in Cleveland, and the staff in the unaccompanied minor room didn’t notice either.
    Note that most of those people signed the bottom of my daughter’s unaccompanied minor paperwork, which spelled out clearly that she was supposed to be going to Cleveland. Furthermore, the last person in the chain, the staff person in the unaccompanied room, looked at my daughter’s paperwork to get my in-laws’ phone number from it to call and chastise them for not being there (in the wrong state!) to pick up their granddaugher, and still didn’t notice that the paperwork said Cleveland, not Newark.
    http://blog.kamens.us/tag/cleveland-or-newark/?order=asc for the full story.

  597. jik Avatar

    @MW
    I doubt Phoebe Klebahn’s experience would have been any different if she had flown through Newark. It certainly wasn’t different for my daughter three years ago, when the Continental gate agent in Boston put her on the wrong plane, the crew of the plane she was put onto didn’t notice she was on the wrong plane, the crew of the plane she was supposed to be on didn’t notice she wasn’t there, the gate crew in Newark didn’t notice that she was supposed to be in Cleveland, and the staff in the unaccompanied minor room didn’t notice either.
    Note that most of those people signed the bottom of my daughter’s unaccompanied minor paperwork, which spelled out clearly that she was supposed to be going to Cleveland. Furthermore, the last person in the chain, the staff person in the unaccompanied room, looked at my daughter’s paperwork to get my in-laws’ phone number from it to call and chastise them for not being there (in the wrong state!) to pick up their granddaugher, and still didn’t notice that the paperwork said Cleveland, not Newark.
    http://blog.kamens.us/tag/cleveland-or-newark/?order=asc for the full story.

  598. jik Avatar

    @MW
    I doubt Phoebe Klebahn’s experience would have been any different if she had flown through Newark. It certainly wasn’t different for my daughter three years ago, when the Continental gate agent in Boston put her on the wrong plane, the crew of the plane she was put onto didn’t notice she was on the wrong plane, the crew of the plane she was supposed to be on didn’t notice she wasn’t there, the gate crew in Newark didn’t notice that she was supposed to be in Cleveland, and the staff in the unaccompanied minor room didn’t notice either.
    Note that most of those people signed the bottom of my daughter’s unaccompanied minor paperwork, which spelled out clearly that she was supposed to be going to Cleveland. Furthermore, the last person in the chain, the staff person in the unaccompanied room, looked at my daughter’s paperwork to get my in-laws’ phone number from it to call and chastise them for not being there (in the wrong state!) to pick up their granddaugher, and still didn’t notice that the paperwork said Cleveland, not Newark.
    http://blog.kamens.us/tag/cleveland-or-newark/?order=asc for the full story.

  599. jik Avatar

    @MW
    I doubt Phoebe Klebahn’s experience would have been any different if she had flown through Newark. It certainly wasn’t different for my daughter three years ago, when the Continental gate agent in Boston put her on the wrong plane, the crew of the plane she was put onto didn’t notice she was on the wrong plane, the crew of the plane she was supposed to be on didn’t notice she wasn’t there, the gate crew in Newark didn’t notice that she was supposed to be in Cleveland, and the staff in the unaccompanied minor room didn’t notice either.
    Note that most of those people signed the bottom of my daughter’s unaccompanied minor paperwork, which spelled out clearly that she was supposed to be going to Cleveland. Furthermore, the last person in the chain, the staff person in the unaccompanied room, looked at my daughter’s paperwork to get my in-laws’ phone number from it to call and chastise them for not being there (in the wrong state!) to pick up their granddaugher, and still didn’t notice that the paperwork said Cleveland, not Newark.
    http://blog.kamens.us/tag/cleveland-or-newark/?order=asc for the full story.

  600. jik Avatar

    @MW
    I doubt Phoebe Klebahn’s experience would have been any different if she had flown through Newark. It certainly wasn’t different for my daughter three years ago, when the Continental gate agent in Boston put her on the wrong plane, the crew of the plane she was put onto didn’t notice she was on the wrong plane, the crew of the plane she was supposed to be on didn’t notice she wasn’t there, the gate crew in Newark didn’t notice that she was supposed to be in Cleveland, and the staff in the unaccompanied minor room didn’t notice either.
    Note that most of those people signed the bottom of my daughter’s unaccompanied minor paperwork, which spelled out clearly that she was supposed to be going to Cleveland. Furthermore, the last person in the chain, the staff person in the unaccompanied room, looked at my daughter’s paperwork to get my in-laws’ phone number from it to call and chastise them for not being there (in the wrong state!) to pick up their granddaugher, and still didn’t notice that the paperwork said Cleveland, not Newark.
    http://blog.kamens.us/tag/cleveland-or-newark/?order=asc for the full story.

  601. Bobsutton Avatar

    To be clear I do delete comments I find to be overly hostile. I have deleted perhaps ten that were too nasty toward the family and at least two hostile toward United. One of them blamed United for 9/11. I try to be fair but do try to omit the ones that get too personal. I also suspect that other places get more attacks on the family because I make clear they are friends of mine. I am doing the best I can. I never had so many comments and have also dealt with at least 25 inquiries from the sometimes hostile media. I am doing the best I can but admit I feel protective of the family.

  602. Bobsutton Avatar

    To be clear I do delete comments I find to be overly hostile. I have deleted perhaps ten that were too nasty toward the family and at least two hostile toward United. One of them blamed United for 9/11. I try to be fair but do try to omit the ones that get too personal. I also suspect that other places get more attacks on the family because I make clear they are friends of mine. I am doing the best I can. I never had so many comments and have also dealt with at least 25 inquiries from the sometimes hostile media. I am doing the best I can but admit I feel protective of the family.

  603. Bobsutton Avatar

    To be clear I do delete comments I find to be overly hostile. I have deleted perhaps ten that were too nasty toward the family and at least two hostile toward United. One of them blamed United for 9/11. I try to be fair but do try to omit the ones that get too personal. I also suspect that other places get more attacks on the family because I make clear they are friends of mine. I am doing the best I can. I never had so many comments and have also dealt with at least 25 inquiries from the sometimes hostile media. I am doing the best I can but admit I feel protective of the family.

  604. Bobsutton Avatar

    To be clear I do delete comments I find to be overly hostile. I have deleted perhaps ten that were too nasty toward the family and at least two hostile toward United. One of them blamed United for 9/11. I try to be fair but do try to omit the ones that get too personal. I also suspect that other places get more attacks on the family because I make clear they are friends of mine. I am doing the best I can. I never had so many comments and have also dealt with at least 25 inquiries from the sometimes hostile media. I am doing the best I can but admit I feel protective of the family.

  605. Bobsutton Avatar

    To be clear I do delete comments I find to be overly hostile. I have deleted perhaps ten that were too nasty toward the family and at least two hostile toward United. One of them blamed United for 9/11. I try to be fair but do try to omit the ones that get too personal. I also suspect that other places get more attacks on the family because I make clear they are friends of mine. I am doing the best I can. I never had so many comments and have also dealt with at least 25 inquiries from the sometimes hostile media. I am doing the best I can but admit I feel protective of the family.

  606. Bobsutton Avatar

    To be clear I do delete comments I find to be overly hostile. I have deleted perhaps ten that were too nasty toward the family and at least two hostile toward United. One of them blamed United for 9/11. I try to be fair but do try to omit the ones that get too personal. I also suspect that other places get more attacks on the family because I make clear they are friends of mine. I am doing the best I can. I never had so many comments and have also dealt with at least 25 inquiries from the sometimes hostile media. I am doing the best I can but admit I feel protective of the family.

  607. Bobsutton Avatar

    To be clear I do delete comments I find to be overly hostile. I have deleted perhaps ten that were too nasty toward the family and at least two hostile toward United. One of them blamed United for 9/11. I try to be fair but do try to omit the ones that get too personal. I also suspect that other places get more attacks on the family because I make clear they are friends of mine. I am doing the best I can. I never had so many comments and have also dealt with at least 25 inquiries from the sometimes hostile media. I am doing the best I can but admit I feel protective of the family.

  608. Bobsutton Avatar

    To be clear I do delete comments I find to be overly hostile. I have deleted perhaps ten that were too nasty toward the family and at least two hostile toward United. One of them blamed United for 9/11. I try to be fair but do try to omit the ones that get too personal. I also suspect that other places get more attacks on the family because I make clear they are friends of mine. I am doing the best I can. I never had so many comments and have also dealt with at least 25 inquiries from the sometimes hostile media. I am doing the best I can but admit I feel protective of the family.

  609. Radarsprint Avatar

    When 14 on a return trip from Hawaii at a transfer in LAX my daughter and step daughter were left in a “Preschool room”. We had paid $150 each for unaccompanied minor. The stay had been stretched due to a late plane from Hawaii. They left the room , left the airport and took the bus to an LA clothiers they wanted to visit. The bought clothes more than their pocket money so we got a credit card call and knew where they were. They got the bus back to the airport & were on the plane before we got the call “We can’t find your daughters”. Note, we knew they were already checked in on the plane.
    Negotiate for free trips. We got round trips free and 2 more round trips with a 10 year limit to be used.

  610. Radarsprint Avatar

    When 14 on a return trip from Hawaii at a transfer in LAX my daughter and step daughter were left in a “Preschool room”. We had paid $150 each for unaccompanied minor. The stay had been stretched due to a late plane from Hawaii. They left the room , left the airport and took the bus to an LA clothiers they wanted to visit. The bought clothes more than their pocket money so we got a credit card call and knew where they were. They got the bus back to the airport & were on the plane before we got the call “We can’t find your daughters”. Note, we knew they were already checked in on the plane.
    Negotiate for free trips. We got round trips free and 2 more round trips with a 10 year limit to be used.

  611. Radarsprint Avatar

    When 14 on a return trip from Hawaii at a transfer in LAX my daughter and step daughter were left in a “Preschool room”. We had paid $150 each for unaccompanied minor. The stay had been stretched due to a late plane from Hawaii. They left the room , left the airport and took the bus to an LA clothiers they wanted to visit. The bought clothes more than their pocket money so we got a credit card call and knew where they were. They got the bus back to the airport & were on the plane before we got the call “We can’t find your daughters”. Note, we knew they were already checked in on the plane.
    Negotiate for free trips. We got round trips free and 2 more round trips with a 10 year limit to be used.

  612. Radarsprint Avatar

    When 14 on a return trip from Hawaii at a transfer in LAX my daughter and step daughter were left in a “Preschool room”. We had paid $150 each for unaccompanied minor. The stay had been stretched due to a late plane from Hawaii. They left the room , left the airport and took the bus to an LA clothiers they wanted to visit. The bought clothes more than their pocket money so we got a credit card call and knew where they were. They got the bus back to the airport & were on the plane before we got the call “We can’t find your daughters”. Note, we knew they were already checked in on the plane.
    Negotiate for free trips. We got round trips free and 2 more round trips with a 10 year limit to be used.

  613. Radarsprint Avatar

    When 14 on a return trip from Hawaii at a transfer in LAX my daughter and step daughter were left in a “Preschool room”. We had paid $150 each for unaccompanied minor. The stay had been stretched due to a late plane from Hawaii. They left the room , left the airport and took the bus to an LA clothiers they wanted to visit. The bought clothes more than their pocket money so we got a credit card call and knew where they were. They got the bus back to the airport & were on the plane before we got the call “We can’t find your daughters”. Note, we knew they were already checked in on the plane.
    Negotiate for free trips. We got round trips free and 2 more round trips with a 10 year limit to be used.

  614. Radarsprint Avatar

    When 14 on a return trip from Hawaii at a transfer in LAX my daughter and step daughter were left in a “Preschool room”. We had paid $150 each for unaccompanied minor. The stay had been stretched due to a late plane from Hawaii. They left the room , left the airport and took the bus to an LA clothiers they wanted to visit. The bought clothes more than their pocket money so we got a credit card call and knew where they were. They got the bus back to the airport & were on the plane before we got the call “We can’t find your daughters”. Note, we knew they were already checked in on the plane.
    Negotiate for free trips. We got round trips free and 2 more round trips with a 10 year limit to be used.

  615. Radarsprint Avatar

    When 14 on a return trip from Hawaii at a transfer in LAX my daughter and step daughter were left in a “Preschool room”. We had paid $150 each for unaccompanied minor. The stay had been stretched due to a late plane from Hawaii. They left the room , left the airport and took the bus to an LA clothiers they wanted to visit. The bought clothes more than their pocket money so we got a credit card call and knew where they were. They got the bus back to the airport & were on the plane before we got the call “We can’t find your daughters”. Note, we knew they were already checked in on the plane.
    Negotiate for free trips. We got round trips free and 2 more round trips with a 10 year limit to be used.

  616. Radarsprint Avatar

    When 14 on a return trip from Hawaii at a transfer in LAX my daughter and step daughter were left in a “Preschool room”. We had paid $150 each for unaccompanied minor. The stay had been stretched due to a late plane from Hawaii. They left the room , left the airport and took the bus to an LA clothiers they wanted to visit. The bought clothes more than their pocket money so we got a credit card call and knew where they were. They got the bus back to the airport & were on the plane before we got the call “We can’t find your daughters”. Note, we knew they were already checked in on the plane.
    Negotiate for free trips. We got round trips free and 2 more round trips with a 10 year limit to be used.

  617. Alexaranoff Avatar

    Wow. Well written. I felt like I was living through this awful experience. I haven’t been a fan of United for years but they really have crossed the line. I wrote about it and linked backed to your blog here: http://mommybeta.squarespace.com/blogs/2012/8/17/united-has-gone-from-losing-baggage-to-losing-kids.html

  618. Alexaranoff Avatar

    Wow. Well written. I felt like I was living through this awful experience. I haven’t been a fan of United for years but they really have crossed the line. I wrote about it and linked backed to your blog here: http://mommybeta.squarespace.com/blogs/2012/8/17/united-has-gone-from-losing-baggage-to-losing-kids.html

  619. Alexaranoff Avatar

    Wow. Well written. I felt like I was living through this awful experience. I haven’t been a fan of United for years but they really have crossed the line. I wrote about it and linked backed to your blog here: http://mommybeta.squarespace.com/blogs/2012/8/17/united-has-gone-from-losing-baggage-to-losing-kids.html

  620. Alexaranoff Avatar

    Wow. Well written. I felt like I was living through this awful experience. I haven’t been a fan of United for years but they really have crossed the line. I wrote about it and linked backed to your blog here: http://mommybeta.squarespace.com/blogs/2012/8/17/united-has-gone-from-losing-baggage-to-losing-kids.html

  621. Alexaranoff Avatar

    Wow. Well written. I felt like I was living through this awful experience. I haven’t been a fan of United for years but they really have crossed the line. I wrote about it and linked backed to your blog here: http://mommybeta.squarespace.com/blogs/2012/8/17/united-has-gone-from-losing-baggage-to-losing-kids.html

  622. Alexaranoff Avatar

    Wow. Well written. I felt like I was living through this awful experience. I haven’t been a fan of United for years but they really have crossed the line. I wrote about it and linked backed to your blog here: http://mommybeta.squarespace.com/blogs/2012/8/17/united-has-gone-from-losing-baggage-to-losing-kids.html

  623. Alexaranoff Avatar

    Wow. Well written. I felt like I was living through this awful experience. I haven’t been a fan of United for years but they really have crossed the line. I wrote about it and linked backed to your blog here: http://mommybeta.squarespace.com/blogs/2012/8/17/united-has-gone-from-losing-baggage-to-losing-kids.html

  624. Alexaranoff Avatar

    Wow. Well written. I felt like I was living through this awful experience. I haven’t been a fan of United for years but they really have crossed the line. I wrote about it and linked backed to your blog here: http://mommybeta.squarespace.com/blogs/2012/8/17/united-has-gone-from-losing-baggage-to-losing-kids.html

  625. Chris Weston Avatar

    Just incredible, and somehow horribly familiar. I read the letter to United, the obscene fact is that they will not care, now or ever about this incident.
    My thoughts on this and links to related discussions – http://chrisweston.tumblr.com/post/29616299975/ownership

  626. Chris Weston Avatar

    Just incredible, and somehow horribly familiar. I read the letter to United, the obscene fact is that they will not care, now or ever about this incident.
    My thoughts on this and links to related discussions – http://chrisweston.tumblr.com/post/29616299975/ownership

  627. Chris Weston Avatar

    Just incredible, and somehow horribly familiar. I read the letter to United, the obscene fact is that they will not care, now or ever about this incident.
    My thoughts on this and links to related discussions – http://chrisweston.tumblr.com/post/29616299975/ownership

  628. Chris Weston Avatar

    Just incredible, and somehow horribly familiar. I read the letter to United, the obscene fact is that they will not care, now or ever about this incident.
    My thoughts on this and links to related discussions – http://chrisweston.tumblr.com/post/29616299975/ownership

  629. Chris Weston Avatar

    Just incredible, and somehow horribly familiar. I read the letter to United, the obscene fact is that they will not care, now or ever about this incident.
    My thoughts on this and links to related discussions – http://chrisweston.tumblr.com/post/29616299975/ownership

  630. Chris Weston Avatar

    Just incredible, and somehow horribly familiar. I read the letter to United, the obscene fact is that they will not care, now or ever about this incident.
    My thoughts on this and links to related discussions – http://chrisweston.tumblr.com/post/29616299975/ownership

  631. Chris Weston Avatar

    Just incredible, and somehow horribly familiar. I read the letter to United, the obscene fact is that they will not care, now or ever about this incident.
    My thoughts on this and links to related discussions – http://chrisweston.tumblr.com/post/29616299975/ownership

  632. Chris Weston Avatar

    Just incredible, and somehow horribly familiar. I read the letter to United, the obscene fact is that they will not care, now or ever about this incident.
    My thoughts on this and links to related discussions – http://chrisweston.tumblr.com/post/29616299975/ownership

  633. Crshetye Avatar

    I congratulate Phoebe for withstanding such harsh treatment so beautifully and courageously.
    Secondly, I can feel the helplessness of the parents, which was so overwhelming that it has rubbed on to the writer. I know exactly how it makes one mad when you know that you are correct but are being short-changed.
    The question we must ask is why were the employees of United so reckless? And I can just imagine what could be a scenario, among others. The employees are stretched to the brink. If they pay attention to Phoebe, they might miss on their schedule and they will get flak for it. They must be also aware that if they went out of their way, they will not be appreciated enough. They know someone else is assigned to the job and hopefully (?) will do it right.
    All these are signs of tough management standards set by a person, set far away from the ground realities. These stringent standards were set to reduce the cost, so that it becomes a viable option and thus increase the profits.
    The pointer to this conclusion emanates from the reaction to the possibility of bad PR on TV. So, the way we customers can hit back is by giving the bad publicity it deserves and inflicting pain where it hurts maximum. So, congratulations goes to the author for taking the first step.

  634. Crshetye Avatar

    I congratulate Phoebe for withstanding such harsh treatment so beautifully and courageously.
    Secondly, I can feel the helplessness of the parents, which was so overwhelming that it has rubbed on to the writer. I know exactly how it makes one mad when you know that you are correct but are being short-changed.
    The question we must ask is why were the employees of United so reckless? And I can just imagine what could be a scenario, among others. The employees are stretched to the brink. If they pay attention to Phoebe, they might miss on their schedule and they will get flak for it. They must be also aware that if they went out of their way, they will not be appreciated enough. They know someone else is assigned to the job and hopefully (?) will do it right.
    All these are signs of tough management standards set by a person, set far away from the ground realities. These stringent standards were set to reduce the cost, so that it becomes a viable option and thus increase the profits.
    The pointer to this conclusion emanates from the reaction to the possibility of bad PR on TV. So, the way we customers can hit back is by giving the bad publicity it deserves and inflicting pain where it hurts maximum. So, congratulations goes to the author for taking the first step.

  635. Crshetye Avatar

    I congratulate Phoebe for withstanding such harsh treatment so beautifully and courageously.
    Secondly, I can feel the helplessness of the parents, which was so overwhelming that it has rubbed on to the writer. I know exactly how it makes one mad when you know that you are correct but are being short-changed.
    The question we must ask is why were the employees of United so reckless? And I can just imagine what could be a scenario, among others. The employees are stretched to the brink. If they pay attention to Phoebe, they might miss on their schedule and they will get flak for it. They must be also aware that if they went out of their way, they will not be appreciated enough. They know someone else is assigned to the job and hopefully (?) will do it right.
    All these are signs of tough management standards set by a person, set far away from the ground realities. These stringent standards were set to reduce the cost, so that it becomes a viable option and thus increase the profits.
    The pointer to this conclusion emanates from the reaction to the possibility of bad PR on TV. So, the way we customers can hit back is by giving the bad publicity it deserves and inflicting pain where it hurts maximum. So, congratulations goes to the author for taking the first step.

  636. Crshetye Avatar

    I congratulate Phoebe for withstanding such harsh treatment so beautifully and courageously.
    Secondly, I can feel the helplessness of the parents, which was so overwhelming that it has rubbed on to the writer. I know exactly how it makes one mad when you know that you are correct but are being short-changed.
    The question we must ask is why were the employees of United so reckless? And I can just imagine what could be a scenario, among others. The employees are stretched to the brink. If they pay attention to Phoebe, they might miss on their schedule and they will get flak for it. They must be also aware that if they went out of their way, they will not be appreciated enough. They know someone else is assigned to the job and hopefully (?) will do it right.
    All these are signs of tough management standards set by a person, set far away from the ground realities. These stringent standards were set to reduce the cost, so that it becomes a viable option and thus increase the profits.
    The pointer to this conclusion emanates from the reaction to the possibility of bad PR on TV. So, the way we customers can hit back is by giving the bad publicity it deserves and inflicting pain where it hurts maximum. So, congratulations goes to the author for taking the first step.

  637. Crshetye Avatar

    I congratulate Phoebe for withstanding such harsh treatment so beautifully and courageously.
    Secondly, I can feel the helplessness of the parents, which was so overwhelming that it has rubbed on to the writer. I know exactly how it makes one mad when you know that you are correct but are being short-changed.
    The question we must ask is why were the employees of United so reckless? And I can just imagine what could be a scenario, among others. The employees are stretched to the brink. If they pay attention to Phoebe, they might miss on their schedule and they will get flak for it. They must be also aware that if they went out of their way, they will not be appreciated enough. They know someone else is assigned to the job and hopefully (?) will do it right.
    All these are signs of tough management standards set by a person, set far away from the ground realities. These stringent standards were set to reduce the cost, so that it becomes a viable option and thus increase the profits.
    The pointer to this conclusion emanates from the reaction to the possibility of bad PR on TV. So, the way we customers can hit back is by giving the bad publicity it deserves and inflicting pain where it hurts maximum. So, congratulations goes to the author for taking the first step.

  638. Crshetye Avatar

    I congratulate Phoebe for withstanding such harsh treatment so beautifully and courageously.
    Secondly, I can feel the helplessness of the parents, which was so overwhelming that it has rubbed on to the writer. I know exactly how it makes one mad when you know that you are correct but are being short-changed.
    The question we must ask is why were the employees of United so reckless? And I can just imagine what could be a scenario, among others. The employees are stretched to the brink. If they pay attention to Phoebe, they might miss on their schedule and they will get flak for it. They must be also aware that if they went out of their way, they will not be appreciated enough. They know someone else is assigned to the job and hopefully (?) will do it right.
    All these are signs of tough management standards set by a person, set far away from the ground realities. These stringent standards were set to reduce the cost, so that it becomes a viable option and thus increase the profits.
    The pointer to this conclusion emanates from the reaction to the possibility of bad PR on TV. So, the way we customers can hit back is by giving the bad publicity it deserves and inflicting pain where it hurts maximum. So, congratulations goes to the author for taking the first step.

  639. Crshetye Avatar

    I congratulate Phoebe for withstanding such harsh treatment so beautifully and courageously.
    Secondly, I can feel the helplessness of the parents, which was so overwhelming that it has rubbed on to the writer. I know exactly how it makes one mad when you know that you are correct but are being short-changed.
    The question we must ask is why were the employees of United so reckless? And I can just imagine what could be a scenario, among others. The employees are stretched to the brink. If they pay attention to Phoebe, they might miss on their schedule and they will get flak for it. They must be also aware that if they went out of their way, they will not be appreciated enough. They know someone else is assigned to the job and hopefully (?) will do it right.
    All these are signs of tough management standards set by a person, set far away from the ground realities. These stringent standards were set to reduce the cost, so that it becomes a viable option and thus increase the profits.
    The pointer to this conclusion emanates from the reaction to the possibility of bad PR on TV. So, the way we customers can hit back is by giving the bad publicity it deserves and inflicting pain where it hurts maximum. So, congratulations goes to the author for taking the first step.

  640. Crshetye Avatar

    I congratulate Phoebe for withstanding such harsh treatment so beautifully and courageously.
    Secondly, I can feel the helplessness of the parents, which was so overwhelming that it has rubbed on to the writer. I know exactly how it makes one mad when you know that you are correct but are being short-changed.
    The question we must ask is why were the employees of United so reckless? And I can just imagine what could be a scenario, among others. The employees are stretched to the brink. If they pay attention to Phoebe, they might miss on their schedule and they will get flak for it. They must be also aware that if they went out of their way, they will not be appreciated enough. They know someone else is assigned to the job and hopefully (?) will do it right.
    All these are signs of tough management standards set by a person, set far away from the ground realities. These stringent standards were set to reduce the cost, so that it becomes a viable option and thus increase the profits.
    The pointer to this conclusion emanates from the reaction to the possibility of bad PR on TV. So, the way we customers can hit back is by giving the bad publicity it deserves and inflicting pain where it hurts maximum. So, congratulations goes to the author for taking the first step.

  641. TM Avatar

    I don’t think it’s appropriate to call the parents stupid for taking advantage of a service that UA offers and the parents paid for. That’s like ordering wine at a restaurant and getting a bad bottle then the sommelier saying, “Well you were stupid for ordering the wine.” It’s not asking too much to expect good customer service especially if you’ve been a good customer. Unfortunately, these incidences and UA’s attitude combine to make the setting ripe for lawsuits that ultimately drive up the cost of flying. I commend the parents for trying to work things out with the airline. Someone else might have had lawyers on the phone a lot sooner. Corporate culture is tricky and if you don’t build a good one and set good examples from the top down, you will get exactly this.

  642. TM Avatar

    I don’t think it’s appropriate to call the parents stupid for taking advantage of a service that UA offers and the parents paid for. That’s like ordering wine at a restaurant and getting a bad bottle then the sommelier saying, “Well you were stupid for ordering the wine.” It’s not asking too much to expect good customer service especially if you’ve been a good customer. Unfortunately, these incidences and UA’s attitude combine to make the setting ripe for lawsuits that ultimately drive up the cost of flying. I commend the parents for trying to work things out with the airline. Someone else might have had lawyers on the phone a lot sooner. Corporate culture is tricky and if you don’t build a good one and set good examples from the top down, you will get exactly this.

  643. TM Avatar

    I don’t think it’s appropriate to call the parents stupid for taking advantage of a service that UA offers and the parents paid for. That’s like ordering wine at a restaurant and getting a bad bottle then the sommelier saying, “Well you were stupid for ordering the wine.” It’s not asking too much to expect good customer service especially if you’ve been a good customer. Unfortunately, these incidences and UA’s attitude combine to make the setting ripe for lawsuits that ultimately drive up the cost of flying. I commend the parents for trying to work things out with the airline. Someone else might have had lawyers on the phone a lot sooner. Corporate culture is tricky and if you don’t build a good one and set good examples from the top down, you will get exactly this.

  644. TM Avatar

    I don’t think it’s appropriate to call the parents stupid for taking advantage of a service that UA offers and the parents paid for. That’s like ordering wine at a restaurant and getting a bad bottle then the sommelier saying, “Well you were stupid for ordering the wine.” It’s not asking too much to expect good customer service especially if you’ve been a good customer. Unfortunately, these incidences and UA’s attitude combine to make the setting ripe for lawsuits that ultimately drive up the cost of flying. I commend the parents for trying to work things out with the airline. Someone else might have had lawyers on the phone a lot sooner. Corporate culture is tricky and if you don’t build a good one and set good examples from the top down, you will get exactly this.

  645. TM Avatar

    I don’t think it’s appropriate to call the parents stupid for taking advantage of a service that UA offers and the parents paid for. That’s like ordering wine at a restaurant and getting a bad bottle then the sommelier saying, “Well you were stupid for ordering the wine.” It’s not asking too much to expect good customer service especially if you’ve been a good customer. Unfortunately, these incidences and UA’s attitude combine to make the setting ripe for lawsuits that ultimately drive up the cost of flying. I commend the parents for trying to work things out with the airline. Someone else might have had lawyers on the phone a lot sooner. Corporate culture is tricky and if you don’t build a good one and set good examples from the top down, you will get exactly this.

  646. TM Avatar

    I don’t think it’s appropriate to call the parents stupid for taking advantage of a service that UA offers and the parents paid for. That’s like ordering wine at a restaurant and getting a bad bottle then the sommelier saying, “Well you were stupid for ordering the wine.” It’s not asking too much to expect good customer service especially if you’ve been a good customer. Unfortunately, these incidences and UA’s attitude combine to make the setting ripe for lawsuits that ultimately drive up the cost of flying. I commend the parents for trying to work things out with the airline. Someone else might have had lawyers on the phone a lot sooner. Corporate culture is tricky and if you don’t build a good one and set good examples from the top down, you will get exactly this.

  647. TM Avatar

    I don’t think it’s appropriate to call the parents stupid for taking advantage of a service that UA offers and the parents paid for. That’s like ordering wine at a restaurant and getting a bad bottle then the sommelier saying, “Well you were stupid for ordering the wine.” It’s not asking too much to expect good customer service especially if you’ve been a good customer. Unfortunately, these incidences and UA’s attitude combine to make the setting ripe for lawsuits that ultimately drive up the cost of flying. I commend the parents for trying to work things out with the airline. Someone else might have had lawyers on the phone a lot sooner. Corporate culture is tricky and if you don’t build a good one and set good examples from the top down, you will get exactly this.

  648. TM Avatar

    I don’t think it’s appropriate to call the parents stupid for taking advantage of a service that UA offers and the parents paid for. That’s like ordering wine at a restaurant and getting a bad bottle then the sommelier saying, “Well you were stupid for ordering the wine.” It’s not asking too much to expect good customer service especially if you’ve been a good customer. Unfortunately, these incidences and UA’s attitude combine to make the setting ripe for lawsuits that ultimately drive up the cost of flying. I commend the parents for trying to work things out with the airline. Someone else might have had lawyers on the phone a lot sooner. Corporate culture is tricky and if you don’t build a good one and set good examples from the top down, you will get exactly this.

  649. KayBob Avatar

    Last year I had to take a United flight from Texas to Chicago. (I was a bit apprehensive because my boss had a steadfast rule that I was never to book a flight for him on United.) About an hour into the flight, the flight attendants started gathering close to my seat. They started complaining bitterly about a man seated close to the front of the plane. They were whispering, so I couldn’t hear most of the conversation, but it was obvious they were very upset. This continued for quite some time. Needless to say, it was disconcerting, and all of the people sitting in my area became alarmed. I felt the attendants handled the situation poorly. If they felt the need to complain about a passenger, it should have been done in a kitchen area with a bit of privacy, instead of in the middle of the plane, out in the open. The attendants were asked by several passengers what was happening, only to be snapped at and dismissed. I felt so uncomfortable about how unprofessional the flight attendants acted, I decided then and there not to fly United again. This does NOT in any way compare to the little girl being treated like an annoyance and essentially abandoned in O’Hare, but I thought this was yet another indication on the lack of customer service. It was akin to shouting “FIRE” in a crowded theatre.

  650. KayBob Avatar

    Last year I had to take a United flight from Texas to Chicago. (I was a bit apprehensive because my boss had a steadfast rule that I was never to book a flight for him on United.) About an hour into the flight, the flight attendants started gathering close to my seat. They started complaining bitterly about a man seated close to the front of the plane. They were whispering, so I couldn’t hear most of the conversation, but it was obvious they were very upset. This continued for quite some time. Needless to say, it was disconcerting, and all of the people sitting in my area became alarmed. I felt the attendants handled the situation poorly. If they felt the need to complain about a passenger, it should have been done in a kitchen area with a bit of privacy, instead of in the middle of the plane, out in the open. The attendants were asked by several passengers what was happening, only to be snapped at and dismissed. I felt so uncomfortable about how unprofessional the flight attendants acted, I decided then and there not to fly United again. This does NOT in any way compare to the little girl being treated like an annoyance and essentially abandoned in O’Hare, but I thought this was yet another indication on the lack of customer service. It was akin to shouting “FIRE” in a crowded theatre.

  651. KayBob Avatar

    Last year I had to take a United flight from Texas to Chicago. (I was a bit apprehensive because my boss had a steadfast rule that I was never to book a flight for him on United.) About an hour into the flight, the flight attendants started gathering close to my seat. They started complaining bitterly about a man seated close to the front of the plane. They were whispering, so I couldn’t hear most of the conversation, but it was obvious they were very upset. This continued for quite some time. Needless to say, it was disconcerting, and all of the people sitting in my area became alarmed. I felt the attendants handled the situation poorly. If they felt the need to complain about a passenger, it should have been done in a kitchen area with a bit of privacy, instead of in the middle of the plane, out in the open. The attendants were asked by several passengers what was happening, only to be snapped at and dismissed. I felt so uncomfortable about how unprofessional the flight attendants acted, I decided then and there not to fly United again. This does NOT in any way compare to the little girl being treated like an annoyance and essentially abandoned in O’Hare, but I thought this was yet another indication on the lack of customer service. It was akin to shouting “FIRE” in a crowded theatre.

  652. KayBob Avatar

    Last year I had to take a United flight from Texas to Chicago. (I was a bit apprehensive because my boss had a steadfast rule that I was never to book a flight for him on United.) About an hour into the flight, the flight attendants started gathering close to my seat. They started complaining bitterly about a man seated close to the front of the plane. They were whispering, so I couldn’t hear most of the conversation, but it was obvious they were very upset. This continued for quite some time. Needless to say, it was disconcerting, and all of the people sitting in my area became alarmed. I felt the attendants handled the situation poorly. If they felt the need to complain about a passenger, it should have been done in a kitchen area with a bit of privacy, instead of in the middle of the plane, out in the open. The attendants were asked by several passengers what was happening, only to be snapped at and dismissed. I felt so uncomfortable about how unprofessional the flight attendants acted, I decided then and there not to fly United again. This does NOT in any way compare to the little girl being treated like an annoyance and essentially abandoned in O’Hare, but I thought this was yet another indication on the lack of customer service. It was akin to shouting “FIRE” in a crowded theatre.

  653. KayBob Avatar

    Last year I had to take a United flight from Texas to Chicago. (I was a bit apprehensive because my boss had a steadfast rule that I was never to book a flight for him on United.) About an hour into the flight, the flight attendants started gathering close to my seat. They started complaining bitterly about a man seated close to the front of the plane. They were whispering, so I couldn’t hear most of the conversation, but it was obvious they were very upset. This continued for quite some time. Needless to say, it was disconcerting, and all of the people sitting in my area became alarmed. I felt the attendants handled the situation poorly. If they felt the need to complain about a passenger, it should have been done in a kitchen area with a bit of privacy, instead of in the middle of the plane, out in the open. The attendants were asked by several passengers what was happening, only to be snapped at and dismissed. I felt so uncomfortable about how unprofessional the flight attendants acted, I decided then and there not to fly United again. This does NOT in any way compare to the little girl being treated like an annoyance and essentially abandoned in O’Hare, but I thought this was yet another indication on the lack of customer service. It was akin to shouting “FIRE” in a crowded theatre.

  654. KayBob Avatar

    Last year I had to take a United flight from Texas to Chicago. (I was a bit apprehensive because my boss had a steadfast rule that I was never to book a flight for him on United.) About an hour into the flight, the flight attendants started gathering close to my seat. They started complaining bitterly about a man seated close to the front of the plane. They were whispering, so I couldn’t hear most of the conversation, but it was obvious they were very upset. This continued for quite some time. Needless to say, it was disconcerting, and all of the people sitting in my area became alarmed. I felt the attendants handled the situation poorly. If they felt the need to complain about a passenger, it should have been done in a kitchen area with a bit of privacy, instead of in the middle of the plane, out in the open. The attendants were asked by several passengers what was happening, only to be snapped at and dismissed. I felt so uncomfortable about how unprofessional the flight attendants acted, I decided then and there not to fly United again. This does NOT in any way compare to the little girl being treated like an annoyance and essentially abandoned in O’Hare, but I thought this was yet another indication on the lack of customer service. It was akin to shouting “FIRE” in a crowded theatre.

  655. KayBob Avatar

    Last year I had to take a United flight from Texas to Chicago. (I was a bit apprehensive because my boss had a steadfast rule that I was never to book a flight for him on United.) About an hour into the flight, the flight attendants started gathering close to my seat. They started complaining bitterly about a man seated close to the front of the plane. They were whispering, so I couldn’t hear most of the conversation, but it was obvious they were very upset. This continued for quite some time. Needless to say, it was disconcerting, and all of the people sitting in my area became alarmed. I felt the attendants handled the situation poorly. If they felt the need to complain about a passenger, it should have been done in a kitchen area with a bit of privacy, instead of in the middle of the plane, out in the open. The attendants were asked by several passengers what was happening, only to be snapped at and dismissed. I felt so uncomfortable about how unprofessional the flight attendants acted, I decided then and there not to fly United again. This does NOT in any way compare to the little girl being treated like an annoyance and essentially abandoned in O’Hare, but I thought this was yet another indication on the lack of customer service. It was akin to shouting “FIRE” in a crowded theatre.

  656. KayBob Avatar

    Last year I had to take a United flight from Texas to Chicago. (I was a bit apprehensive because my boss had a steadfast rule that I was never to book a flight for him on United.) About an hour into the flight, the flight attendants started gathering close to my seat. They started complaining bitterly about a man seated close to the front of the plane. They were whispering, so I couldn’t hear most of the conversation, but it was obvious they were very upset. This continued for quite some time. Needless to say, it was disconcerting, and all of the people sitting in my area became alarmed. I felt the attendants handled the situation poorly. If they felt the need to complain about a passenger, it should have been done in a kitchen area with a bit of privacy, instead of in the middle of the plane, out in the open. The attendants were asked by several passengers what was happening, only to be snapped at and dismissed. I felt so uncomfortable about how unprofessional the flight attendants acted, I decided then and there not to fly United again. This does NOT in any way compare to the little girl being treated like an annoyance and essentially abandoned in O’Hare, but I thought this was yet another indication on the lack of customer service. It was akin to shouting “FIRE” in a crowded theatre.

  657. Divalicias Avatar

    I’m a licensed child care provider.If I lost a 10-year-old in my care, I would lose my license, my business and my livelihood. Child safety must be the top priority at all times. Is there not some FAA policy or authority governing these transactions involving transport of unaccompanied minors? Who are the people who come in contact with the children? Have they had background checks? Have they had any sort of training in child safety, child development and behavior? What sort of environments are children waiting in during lay-overs? Who is in charge? What sort of responsibility is to be expected of flight crews when unaccompanied children are aboard?

  658. Divalicias Avatar

    I’m a licensed child care provider.If I lost a 10-year-old in my care, I would lose my license, my business and my livelihood. Child safety must be the top priority at all times. Is there not some FAA policy or authority governing these transactions involving transport of unaccompanied minors? Who are the people who come in contact with the children? Have they had background checks? Have they had any sort of training in child safety, child development and behavior? What sort of environments are children waiting in during lay-overs? Who is in charge? What sort of responsibility is to be expected of flight crews when unaccompanied children are aboard?

  659. Divalicias Avatar

    I’m a licensed child care provider.If I lost a 10-year-old in my care, I would lose my license, my business and my livelihood. Child safety must be the top priority at all times. Is there not some FAA policy or authority governing these transactions involving transport of unaccompanied minors? Who are the people who come in contact with the children? Have they had background checks? Have they had any sort of training in child safety, child development and behavior? What sort of environments are children waiting in during lay-overs? Who is in charge? What sort of responsibility is to be expected of flight crews when unaccompanied children are aboard?

  660. Divalicias Avatar

    I’m a licensed child care provider.If I lost a 10-year-old in my care, I would lose my license, my business and my livelihood. Child safety must be the top priority at all times. Is there not some FAA policy or authority governing these transactions involving transport of unaccompanied minors? Who are the people who come in contact with the children? Have they had background checks? Have they had any sort of training in child safety, child development and behavior? What sort of environments are children waiting in during lay-overs? Who is in charge? What sort of responsibility is to be expected of flight crews when unaccompanied children are aboard?

  661. Divalicias Avatar

    I’m a licensed child care provider.If I lost a 10-year-old in my care, I would lose my license, my business and my livelihood. Child safety must be the top priority at all times. Is there not some FAA policy or authority governing these transactions involving transport of unaccompanied minors? Who are the people who come in contact with the children? Have they had background checks? Have they had any sort of training in child safety, child development and behavior? What sort of environments are children waiting in during lay-overs? Who is in charge? What sort of responsibility is to be expected of flight crews when unaccompanied children are aboard?

  662. Divalicias Avatar

    I’m a licensed child care provider.If I lost a 10-year-old in my care, I would lose my license, my business and my livelihood. Child safety must be the top priority at all times. Is there not some FAA policy or authority governing these transactions involving transport of unaccompanied minors? Who are the people who come in contact with the children? Have they had background checks? Have they had any sort of training in child safety, child development and behavior? What sort of environments are children waiting in during lay-overs? Who is in charge? What sort of responsibility is to be expected of flight crews when unaccompanied children are aboard?

  663. Divalicias Avatar

    I’m a licensed child care provider.If I lost a 10-year-old in my care, I would lose my license, my business and my livelihood. Child safety must be the top priority at all times. Is there not some FAA policy or authority governing these transactions involving transport of unaccompanied minors? Who are the people who come in contact with the children? Have they had background checks? Have they had any sort of training in child safety, child development and behavior? What sort of environments are children waiting in during lay-overs? Who is in charge? What sort of responsibility is to be expected of flight crews when unaccompanied children are aboard?

  664. Divalicias Avatar

    I’m a licensed child care provider.If I lost a 10-year-old in my care, I would lose my license, my business and my livelihood. Child safety must be the top priority at all times. Is there not some FAA policy or authority governing these transactions involving transport of unaccompanied minors? Who are the people who come in contact with the children? Have they had background checks? Have they had any sort of training in child safety, child development and behavior? What sort of environments are children waiting in during lay-overs? Who is in charge? What sort of responsibility is to be expected of flight crews when unaccompanied children are aboard?

  665. Markj Ambrose Avatar

    I believe there is an error in your 3rd paragraph. I think you meant that she was flying from San Francisco to Grand Rapids with a transfer in Chicago. That is the only thing that makes sense with the following paragraph and with United’s route system.

  666. Markj Ambrose Avatar

    I believe there is an error in your 3rd paragraph. I think you meant that she was flying from San Francisco to Grand Rapids with a transfer in Chicago. That is the only thing that makes sense with the following paragraph and with United’s route system.

  667. Markj Ambrose Avatar

    I believe there is an error in your 3rd paragraph. I think you meant that she was flying from San Francisco to Grand Rapids with a transfer in Chicago. That is the only thing that makes sense with the following paragraph and with United’s route system.

  668. Markj Ambrose Avatar

    I believe there is an error in your 3rd paragraph. I think you meant that she was flying from San Francisco to Grand Rapids with a transfer in Chicago. That is the only thing that makes sense with the following paragraph and with United’s route system.

  669. Markj Ambrose Avatar

    I believe there is an error in your 3rd paragraph. I think you meant that she was flying from San Francisco to Grand Rapids with a transfer in Chicago. That is the only thing that makes sense with the following paragraph and with United’s route system.

  670. Markj Ambrose Avatar

    I believe there is an error in your 3rd paragraph. I think you meant that she was flying from San Francisco to Grand Rapids with a transfer in Chicago. That is the only thing that makes sense with the following paragraph and with United’s route system.

  671. Markj Ambrose Avatar

    I believe there is an error in your 3rd paragraph. I think you meant that she was flying from San Francisco to Grand Rapids with a transfer in Chicago. That is the only thing that makes sense with the following paragraph and with United’s route system.

  672. Markj Ambrose Avatar

    I believe there is an error in your 3rd paragraph. I think you meant that she was flying from San Francisco to Grand Rapids with a transfer in Chicago. That is the only thing that makes sense with the following paragraph and with United’s route system.

  673. jik Avatar

    @Divalicias When I made inquiries about this several years ago after this happened to my daughter, I was told that there were no laws or regulations whatsoever governing how airlines handle unaccompanied minors. Each airline apparently is entirely free to make whatever rules it wants about how to handle them.

  674. jik Avatar

    @Divalicias When I made inquiries about this several years ago after this happened to my daughter, I was told that there were no laws or regulations whatsoever governing how airlines handle unaccompanied minors. Each airline apparently is entirely free to make whatever rules it wants about how to handle them.

  675. jik Avatar

    @Divalicias When I made inquiries about this several years ago after this happened to my daughter, I was told that there were no laws or regulations whatsoever governing how airlines handle unaccompanied minors. Each airline apparently is entirely free to make whatever rules it wants about how to handle them.

  676. jik Avatar

    @Divalicias When I made inquiries about this several years ago after this happened to my daughter, I was told that there were no laws or regulations whatsoever governing how airlines handle unaccompanied minors. Each airline apparently is entirely free to make whatever rules it wants about how to handle them.

  677. jik Avatar

    @Divalicias When I made inquiries about this several years ago after this happened to my daughter, I was told that there were no laws or regulations whatsoever governing how airlines handle unaccompanied minors. Each airline apparently is entirely free to make whatever rules it wants about how to handle them.

  678. jik Avatar

    @Divalicias When I made inquiries about this several years ago after this happened to my daughter, I was told that there were no laws or regulations whatsoever governing how airlines handle unaccompanied minors. Each airline apparently is entirely free to make whatever rules it wants about how to handle them.

  679. jik Avatar

    @Divalicias When I made inquiries about this several years ago after this happened to my daughter, I was told that there were no laws or regulations whatsoever governing how airlines handle unaccompanied minors. Each airline apparently is entirely free to make whatever rules it wants about how to handle them.

  680. jik Avatar

    @Divalicias When I made inquiries about this several years ago after this happened to my daughter, I was told that there were no laws or regulations whatsoever governing how airlines handle unaccompanied minors. Each airline apparently is entirely free to make whatever rules it wants about how to handle them.

  681. Mliebow Avatar

    Bob, you are a good friend and I meant only to point out the bias. I feel for your friend’s horror but can’t for a moment understand how they thought this was a good idea.
    Case in point, I took my family, all 5 of us, on another airline in June and what should have been a one-stop and 6hrs turned into a two-stop and 13hrs. At every juncture, the airline failed to deliver what one might consider a base “human experience”.
    Given your “day job”, I imagine you are interested in root cause and paths to improvement but after millions of my own miles flown, I really do wonder if we’re not just on a downward spiral.
    Suffice to say, as absurd as the UM practice remains, I hope someone in a position of power (private, not public) is able to take this well documented experience and find a path to improvement. While attitude and culture of personnel is problematic, there are clearly opportunities for technology like a mandatory phone, foursquare-like check-ins, map-like tracking, radio tags, etc.
    You should be protective but pointing blame at UA doesn’t abdicate a parent’s responsibility, no matter how incompetent a company or personnel.

  682. Mliebow Avatar

    Bob, you are a good friend and I meant only to point out the bias. I feel for your friend’s horror but can’t for a moment understand how they thought this was a good idea.
    Case in point, I took my family, all 5 of us, on another airline in June and what should have been a one-stop and 6hrs turned into a two-stop and 13hrs. At every juncture, the airline failed to deliver what one might consider a base “human experience”.
    Given your “day job”, I imagine you are interested in root cause and paths to improvement but after millions of my own miles flown, I really do wonder if we’re not just on a downward spiral.
    Suffice to say, as absurd as the UM practice remains, I hope someone in a position of power (private, not public) is able to take this well documented experience and find a path to improvement. While attitude and culture of personnel is problematic, there are clearly opportunities for technology like a mandatory phone, foursquare-like check-ins, map-like tracking, radio tags, etc.
    You should be protective but pointing blame at UA doesn’t abdicate a parent’s responsibility, no matter how incompetent a company or personnel.

  683. Mliebow Avatar

    Bob, you are a good friend and I meant only to point out the bias. I feel for your friend’s horror but can’t for a moment understand how they thought this was a good idea.
    Case in point, I took my family, all 5 of us, on another airline in June and what should have been a one-stop and 6hrs turned into a two-stop and 13hrs. At every juncture, the airline failed to deliver what one might consider a base “human experience”.
    Given your “day job”, I imagine you are interested in root cause and paths to improvement but after millions of my own miles flown, I really do wonder if we’re not just on a downward spiral.
    Suffice to say, as absurd as the UM practice remains, I hope someone in a position of power (private, not public) is able to take this well documented experience and find a path to improvement. While attitude and culture of personnel is problematic, there are clearly opportunities for technology like a mandatory phone, foursquare-like check-ins, map-like tracking, radio tags, etc.
    You should be protective but pointing blame at UA doesn’t abdicate a parent’s responsibility, no matter how incompetent a company or personnel.

  684. Mliebow Avatar

    Bob, you are a good friend and I meant only to point out the bias. I feel for your friend’s horror but can’t for a moment understand how they thought this was a good idea.
    Case in point, I took my family, all 5 of us, on another airline in June and what should have been a one-stop and 6hrs turned into a two-stop and 13hrs. At every juncture, the airline failed to deliver what one might consider a base “human experience”.
    Given your “day job”, I imagine you are interested in root cause and paths to improvement but after millions of my own miles flown, I really do wonder if we’re not just on a downward spiral.
    Suffice to say, as absurd as the UM practice remains, I hope someone in a position of power (private, not public) is able to take this well documented experience and find a path to improvement. While attitude and culture of personnel is problematic, there are clearly opportunities for technology like a mandatory phone, foursquare-like check-ins, map-like tracking, radio tags, etc.
    You should be protective but pointing blame at UA doesn’t abdicate a parent’s responsibility, no matter how incompetent a company or personnel.

  685. Mliebow Avatar

    Bob, you are a good friend and I meant only to point out the bias. I feel for your friend’s horror but can’t for a moment understand how they thought this was a good idea.
    Case in point, I took my family, all 5 of us, on another airline in June and what should have been a one-stop and 6hrs turned into a two-stop and 13hrs. At every juncture, the airline failed to deliver what one might consider a base “human experience”.
    Given your “day job”, I imagine you are interested in root cause and paths to improvement but after millions of my own miles flown, I really do wonder if we’re not just on a downward spiral.
    Suffice to say, as absurd as the UM practice remains, I hope someone in a position of power (private, not public) is able to take this well documented experience and find a path to improvement. While attitude and culture of personnel is problematic, there are clearly opportunities for technology like a mandatory phone, foursquare-like check-ins, map-like tracking, radio tags, etc.
    You should be protective but pointing blame at UA doesn’t abdicate a parent’s responsibility, no matter how incompetent a company or personnel.

  686. Mliebow Avatar

    Bob, you are a good friend and I meant only to point out the bias. I feel for your friend’s horror but can’t for a moment understand how they thought this was a good idea.
    Case in point, I took my family, all 5 of us, on another airline in June and what should have been a one-stop and 6hrs turned into a two-stop and 13hrs. At every juncture, the airline failed to deliver what one might consider a base “human experience”.
    Given your “day job”, I imagine you are interested in root cause and paths to improvement but after millions of my own miles flown, I really do wonder if we’re not just on a downward spiral.
    Suffice to say, as absurd as the UM practice remains, I hope someone in a position of power (private, not public) is able to take this well documented experience and find a path to improvement. While attitude and culture of personnel is problematic, there are clearly opportunities for technology like a mandatory phone, foursquare-like check-ins, map-like tracking, radio tags, etc.
    You should be protective but pointing blame at UA doesn’t abdicate a parent’s responsibility, no matter how incompetent a company or personnel.

  687. Mliebow Avatar

    Bob, you are a good friend and I meant only to point out the bias. I feel for your friend’s horror but can’t for a moment understand how they thought this was a good idea.
    Case in point, I took my family, all 5 of us, on another airline in June and what should have been a one-stop and 6hrs turned into a two-stop and 13hrs. At every juncture, the airline failed to deliver what one might consider a base “human experience”.
    Given your “day job”, I imagine you are interested in root cause and paths to improvement but after millions of my own miles flown, I really do wonder if we’re not just on a downward spiral.
    Suffice to say, as absurd as the UM practice remains, I hope someone in a position of power (private, not public) is able to take this well documented experience and find a path to improvement. While attitude and culture of personnel is problematic, there are clearly opportunities for technology like a mandatory phone, foursquare-like check-ins, map-like tracking, radio tags, etc.
    You should be protective but pointing blame at UA doesn’t abdicate a parent’s responsibility, no matter how incompetent a company or personnel.

  688. Mliebow Avatar

    Bob, you are a good friend and I meant only to point out the bias. I feel for your friend’s horror but can’t for a moment understand how they thought this was a good idea.
    Case in point, I took my family, all 5 of us, on another airline in June and what should have been a one-stop and 6hrs turned into a two-stop and 13hrs. At every juncture, the airline failed to deliver what one might consider a base “human experience”.
    Given your “day job”, I imagine you are interested in root cause and paths to improvement but after millions of my own miles flown, I really do wonder if we’re not just on a downward spiral.
    Suffice to say, as absurd as the UM practice remains, I hope someone in a position of power (private, not public) is able to take this well documented experience and find a path to improvement. While attitude and culture of personnel is problematic, there are clearly opportunities for technology like a mandatory phone, foursquare-like check-ins, map-like tracking, radio tags, etc.
    You should be protective but pointing blame at UA doesn’t abdicate a parent’s responsibility, no matter how incompetent a company or personnel.

  689. Mlapointe Avatar

    When my son was 12, we sent him from LA to Washington, DC on United to visit his grandparents. When I tried to buy unaccompanied minor service for him, I was told (erroneously) that at 12 he was too old. On the trip back, his flight was cancelled, and he was put onto two different flights, with a plane change in Chicago.
    At LAX, I asked United to check to see if he had made the connection, and they refused. Why? You guessed it — because I had failed to purchase unaccompanied minor service.
    Over the years, I’ve flown United only when there was no other option, and there’s always a problem: there was a pilot, during a beef with management, who stood outside the jetway of an already-delayed flight, looking at his watch, until he announced “Uh, oh, I’m over my limit”, delaying the flight for another two hours. When passengers complained, he said, “Good. I’m glad you’re unhappy. Tell management. It’s their fault.”
    In Texas, when all flights were grounded due to thunderstorms at 9 pm, passengers from our flight were shuttled from gate to gate for hours, never given accurate information, until we were finally herded into a deserted auxiliary area, devoid of water and chairs, with just two agents for hundreds of people. Passengers stacked suitcases for seating, and scrounged water and snacks, for a couple of elderly passengers who were suffering terribly, and begged the United ticket agents for help, or to at least take the seniors first. The agents refused on both counts. Most of us were there until almost dawn.
    And these are just the most egregious experiences I’ve had personally, not the petty indignities endured on every United flight I’ve been on over the past 10 years.
    As someone who remembers how United used to be — believe it or not, more than two decades ago, I wrote advertising for the airline — the change is disheartening, but after all these years, I think it’s permanent.
    In my observation, there are two common threads to the United experience. The first is an almost pathological rudeness on the part of almost every United employee you encounter. There is something so toxic about the work atmosphere that even people who may be perfectly nice outside of the job seem to relish the opportunity to be mean once they put on the uniform.
    The second is a system-wide, and deliberate, failure of communication. On United, it’s almost impossible to get timely, accurate information, if you get any at all. On my last United trip, I saw a man ask a polite question about a gate change, and heard the United gate agent snap, “Do I look like an information kiosk?” Gate agents and flight crews refuse to give information on flight delays even when it would be the quickest way to make passengers happy and prevent conflicts.
    And it’s everywhere: you can’t get consistent answers at any level of the company, from reservations to customer service to ticketing agents. There’s even contradictory information on different pages of United’s website.
    My guess is that working at United makes employee feel so powerless that they use rudeness and withholding of information to exert power on the only people who can’t do anything about it: passengers.
    They’ll continue to get away from this for a long time, because financially, none of it counts. Think about it: customer service experiences can’t be quantified by Wall Street. Therefore nobody measures them, they have no impact on stock prices, and you never, ever hear them mentioned by financial news pundits.
    If they keep this up, of course, the company will implode someday, no longer able to summon enough passengers with the need or the stomach to fly United. Executives, Wall Street, and the pundits will blame fuel prices, or union woes, or economic conditions, but no one will ever, ever say, “We failed because we were mean to our passengers and that made us suck at our jobs.”

  690. Mlapointe Avatar

    When my son was 12, we sent him from LA to Washington, DC on United to visit his grandparents. When I tried to buy unaccompanied minor service for him, I was told (erroneously) that at 12 he was too old. On the trip back, his flight was cancelled, and he was put onto two different flights, with a plane change in Chicago.
    At LAX, I asked United to check to see if he had made the connection, and they refused. Why? You guessed it — because I had failed to purchase unaccompanied minor service.
    Over the years, I’ve flown United only when there was no other option, and there’s always a problem: there was a pilot, during a beef with management, who stood outside the jetway of an already-delayed flight, looking at his watch, until he announced “Uh, oh, I’m over my limit”, delaying the flight for another two hours. When passengers complained, he said, “Good. I’m glad you’re unhappy. Tell management. It’s their fault.”
    In Texas, when all flights were grounded due to thunderstorms at 9 pm, passengers from our flight were shuttled from gate to gate for hours, never given accurate information, until we were finally herded into a deserted auxiliary area, devoid of water and chairs, with just two agents for hundreds of people. Passengers stacked suitcases for seating, and scrounged water and snacks, for a couple of elderly passengers who were suffering terribly, and begged the United ticket agents for help, or to at least take the seniors first. The agents refused on both counts. Most of us were there until almost dawn.
    And these are just the most egregious experiences I’ve had personally, not the petty indignities endured on every United flight I’ve been on over the past 10 years.
    As someone who remembers how United used to be — believe it or not, more than two decades ago, I wrote advertising for the airline — the change is disheartening, but after all these years, I think it’s permanent.
    In my observation, there are two common threads to the United experience. The first is an almost pathological rudeness on the part of almost every United employee you encounter. There is something so toxic about the work atmosphere that even people who may be perfectly nice outside of the job seem to relish the opportunity to be mean once they put on the uniform.
    The second is a system-wide, and deliberate, failure of communication. On United, it’s almost impossible to get timely, accurate information, if you get any at all. On my last United trip, I saw a man ask a polite question about a gate change, and heard the United gate agent snap, “Do I look like an information kiosk?” Gate agents and flight crews refuse to give information on flight delays even when it would be the quickest way to make passengers happy and prevent conflicts.
    And it’s everywhere: you can’t get consistent answers at any level of the company, from reservations to customer service to ticketing agents. There’s even contradictory information on different pages of United’s website.
    My guess is that working at United makes employee feel so powerless that they use rudeness and withholding of information to exert power on the only people who can’t do anything about it: passengers.
    They’ll continue to get away from this for a long time, because financially, none of it counts. Think about it: customer service experiences can’t be quantified by Wall Street. Therefore nobody measures them, they have no impact on stock prices, and you never, ever hear them mentioned by financial news pundits.
    If they keep this up, of course, the company will implode someday, no longer able to summon enough passengers with the need or the stomach to fly United. Executives, Wall Street, and the pundits will blame fuel prices, or union woes, or economic conditions, but no one will ever, ever say, “We failed because we were mean to our passengers and that made us suck at our jobs.”

  691. Mlapointe Avatar

    When my son was 12, we sent him from LA to Washington, DC on United to visit his grandparents. When I tried to buy unaccompanied minor service for him, I was told (erroneously) that at 12 he was too old. On the trip back, his flight was cancelled, and he was put onto two different flights, with a plane change in Chicago.
    At LAX, I asked United to check to see if he had made the connection, and they refused. Why? You guessed it — because I had failed to purchase unaccompanied minor service.
    Over the years, I’ve flown United only when there was no other option, and there’s always a problem: there was a pilot, during a beef with management, who stood outside the jetway of an already-delayed flight, looking at his watch, until he announced “Uh, oh, I’m over my limit”, delaying the flight for another two hours. When passengers complained, he said, “Good. I’m glad you’re unhappy. Tell management. It’s their fault.”
    In Texas, when all flights were grounded due to thunderstorms at 9 pm, passengers from our flight were shuttled from gate to gate for hours, never given accurate information, until we were finally herded into a deserted auxiliary area, devoid of water and chairs, with just two agents for hundreds of people. Passengers stacked suitcases for seating, and scrounged water and snacks, for a couple of elderly passengers who were suffering terribly, and begged the United ticket agents for help, or to at least take the seniors first. The agents refused on both counts. Most of us were there until almost dawn.
    And these are just the most egregious experiences I’ve had personally, not the petty indignities endured on every United flight I’ve been on over the past 10 years.
    As someone who remembers how United used to be — believe it or not, more than two decades ago, I wrote advertising for the airline — the change is disheartening, but after all these years, I think it’s permanent.
    In my observation, there are two common threads to the United experience. The first is an almost pathological rudeness on the part of almost every United employee you encounter. There is something so toxic about the work atmosphere that even people who may be perfectly nice outside of the job seem to relish the opportunity to be mean once they put on the uniform.
    The second is a system-wide, and deliberate, failure of communication. On United, it’s almost impossible to get timely, accurate information, if you get any at all. On my last United trip, I saw a man ask a polite question about a gate change, and heard the United gate agent snap, “Do I look like an information kiosk?” Gate agents and flight crews refuse to give information on flight delays even when it would be the quickest way to make passengers happy and prevent conflicts.
    And it’s everywhere: you can’t get consistent answers at any level of the company, from reservations to customer service to ticketing agents. There’s even contradictory information on different pages of United’s website.
    My guess is that working at United makes employee feel so powerless that they use rudeness and withholding of information to exert power on the only people who can’t do anything about it: passengers.
    They’ll continue to get away from this for a long time, because financially, none of it counts. Think about it: customer service experiences can’t be quantified by Wall Street. Therefore nobody measures them, they have no impact on stock prices, and you never, ever hear them mentioned by financial news pundits.
    If they keep this up, of course, the company will implode someday, no longer able to summon enough passengers with the need or the stomach to fly United. Executives, Wall Street, and the pundits will blame fuel prices, or union woes, or economic conditions, but no one will ever, ever say, “We failed because we were mean to our passengers and that made us suck at our jobs.”

  692. Mlapointe Avatar

    When my son was 12, we sent him from LA to Washington, DC on United to visit his grandparents. When I tried to buy unaccompanied minor service for him, I was told (erroneously) that at 12 he was too old. On the trip back, his flight was cancelled, and he was put onto two different flights, with a plane change in Chicago.
    At LAX, I asked United to check to see if he had made the connection, and they refused. Why? You guessed it — because I had failed to purchase unaccompanied minor service.
    Over the years, I’ve flown United only when there was no other option, and there’s always a problem: there was a pilot, during a beef with management, who stood outside the jetway of an already-delayed flight, looking at his watch, until he announced “Uh, oh, I’m over my limit”, delaying the flight for another two hours. When passengers complained, he said, “Good. I’m glad you’re unhappy. Tell management. It’s their fault.”
    In Texas, when all flights were grounded due to thunderstorms at 9 pm, passengers from our flight were shuttled from gate to gate for hours, never given accurate information, until we were finally herded into a deserted auxiliary area, devoid of water and chairs, with just two agents for hundreds of people. Passengers stacked suitcases for seating, and scrounged water and snacks, for a couple of elderly passengers who were suffering terribly, and begged the United ticket agents for help, or to at least take the seniors first. The agents refused on both counts. Most of us were there until almost dawn.
    And these are just the most egregious experiences I’ve had personally, not the petty indignities endured on every United flight I’ve been on over the past 10 years.
    As someone who remembers how United used to be — believe it or not, more than two decades ago, I wrote advertising for the airline — the change is disheartening, but after all these years, I think it’s permanent.
    In my observation, there are two common threads to the United experience. The first is an almost pathological rudeness on the part of almost every United employee you encounter. There is something so toxic about the work atmosphere that even people who may be perfectly nice outside of the job seem to relish the opportunity to be mean once they put on the uniform.
    The second is a system-wide, and deliberate, failure of communication. On United, it’s almost impossible to get timely, accurate information, if you get any at all. On my last United trip, I saw a man ask a polite question about a gate change, and heard the United gate agent snap, “Do I look like an information kiosk?” Gate agents and flight crews refuse to give information on flight delays even when it would be the quickest way to make passengers happy and prevent conflicts.
    And it’s everywhere: you can’t get consistent answers at any level of the company, from reservations to customer service to ticketing agents. There’s even contradictory information on different pages of United’s website.
    My guess is that working at United makes employee feel so powerless that they use rudeness and withholding of information to exert power on the only people who can’t do anything about it: passengers.
    They’ll continue to get away from this for a long time, because financially, none of it counts. Think about it: customer service experiences can’t be quantified by Wall Street. Therefore nobody measures them, they have no impact on stock prices, and you never, ever hear them mentioned by financial news pundits.
    If they keep this up, of course, the company will implode someday, no longer able to summon enough passengers with the need or the stomach to fly United. Executives, Wall Street, and the pundits will blame fuel prices, or union woes, or economic conditions, but no one will ever, ever say, “We failed because we were mean to our passengers and that made us suck at our jobs.”

  693. Mlapointe Avatar

    When my son was 12, we sent him from LA to Washington, DC on United to visit his grandparents. When I tried to buy unaccompanied minor service for him, I was told (erroneously) that at 12 he was too old. On the trip back, his flight was cancelled, and he was put onto two different flights, with a plane change in Chicago.
    At LAX, I asked United to check to see if he had made the connection, and they refused. Why? You guessed it — because I had failed to purchase unaccompanied minor service.
    Over the years, I’ve flown United only when there was no other option, and there’s always a problem: there was a pilot, during a beef with management, who stood outside the jetway of an already-delayed flight, looking at his watch, until he announced “Uh, oh, I’m over my limit”, delaying the flight for another two hours. When passengers complained, he said, “Good. I’m glad you’re unhappy. Tell management. It’s their fault.”
    In Texas, when all flights were grounded due to thunderstorms at 9 pm, passengers from our flight were shuttled from gate to gate for hours, never given accurate information, until we were finally herded into a deserted auxiliary area, devoid of water and chairs, with just two agents for hundreds of people. Passengers stacked suitcases for seating, and scrounged water and snacks, for a couple of elderly passengers who were suffering terribly, and begged the United ticket agents for help, or to at least take the seniors first. The agents refused on both counts. Most of us were there until almost dawn.
    And these are just the most egregious experiences I’ve had personally, not the petty indignities endured on every United flight I’ve been on over the past 10 years.
    As someone who remembers how United used to be — believe it or not, more than two decades ago, I wrote advertising for the airline — the change is disheartening, but after all these years, I think it’s permanent.
    In my observation, there are two common threads to the United experience. The first is an almost pathological rudeness on the part of almost every United employee you encounter. There is something so toxic about the work atmosphere that even people who may be perfectly nice outside of the job seem to relish the opportunity to be mean once they put on the uniform.
    The second is a system-wide, and deliberate, failure of communication. On United, it’s almost impossible to get timely, accurate information, if you get any at all. On my last United trip, I saw a man ask a polite question about a gate change, and heard the United gate agent snap, “Do I look like an information kiosk?” Gate agents and flight crews refuse to give information on flight delays even when it would be the quickest way to make passengers happy and prevent conflicts.
    And it’s everywhere: you can’t get consistent answers at any level of the company, from reservations to customer service to ticketing agents. There’s even contradictory information on different pages of United’s website.
    My guess is that working at United makes employee feel so powerless that they use rudeness and withholding of information to exert power on the only people who can’t do anything about it: passengers.
    They’ll continue to get away from this for a long time, because financially, none of it counts. Think about it: customer service experiences can’t be quantified by Wall Street. Therefore nobody measures them, they have no impact on stock prices, and you never, ever hear them mentioned by financial news pundits.
    If they keep this up, of course, the company will implode someday, no longer able to summon enough passengers with the need or the stomach to fly United. Executives, Wall Street, and the pundits will blame fuel prices, or union woes, or economic conditions, but no one will ever, ever say, “We failed because we were mean to our passengers and that made us suck at our jobs.”

  694. Mlapointe Avatar

    When my son was 12, we sent him from LA to Washington, DC on United to visit his grandparents. When I tried to buy unaccompanied minor service for him, I was told (erroneously) that at 12 he was too old. On the trip back, his flight was cancelled, and he was put onto two different flights, with a plane change in Chicago.
    At LAX, I asked United to check to see if he had made the connection, and they refused. Why? You guessed it — because I had failed to purchase unaccompanied minor service.
    Over the years, I’ve flown United only when there was no other option, and there’s always a problem: there was a pilot, during a beef with management, who stood outside the jetway of an already-delayed flight, looking at his watch, until he announced “Uh, oh, I’m over my limit”, delaying the flight for another two hours. When passengers complained, he said, “Good. I’m glad you’re unhappy. Tell management. It’s their fault.”
    In Texas, when all flights were grounded due to thunderstorms at 9 pm, passengers from our flight were shuttled from gate to gate for hours, never given accurate information, until we were finally herded into a deserted auxiliary area, devoid of water and chairs, with just two agents for hundreds of people. Passengers stacked suitcases for seating, and scrounged water and snacks, for a couple of elderly passengers who were suffering terribly, and begged the United ticket agents for help, or to at least take the seniors first. The agents refused on both counts. Most of us were there until almost dawn.
    And these are just the most egregious experiences I’ve had personally, not the petty indignities endured on every United flight I’ve been on over the past 10 years.
    As someone who remembers how United used to be — believe it or not, more than two decades ago, I wrote advertising for the airline — the change is disheartening, but after all these years, I think it’s permanent.
    In my observation, there are two common threads to the United experience. The first is an almost pathological rudeness on the part of almost every United employee you encounter. There is something so toxic about the work atmosphere that even people who may be perfectly nice outside of the job seem to relish the opportunity to be mean once they put on the uniform.
    The second is a system-wide, and deliberate, failure of communication. On United, it’s almost impossible to get timely, accurate information, if you get any at all. On my last United trip, I saw a man ask a polite question about a gate change, and heard the United gate agent snap, “Do I look like an information kiosk?” Gate agents and flight crews refuse to give information on flight delays even when it would be the quickest way to make passengers happy and prevent conflicts.
    And it’s everywhere: you can’t get consistent answers at any level of the company, from reservations to customer service to ticketing agents. There’s even contradictory information on different pages of United’s website.
    My guess is that working at United makes employee feel so powerless that they use rudeness and withholding of information to exert power on the only people who can’t do anything about it: passengers.
    They’ll continue to get away from this for a long time, because financially, none of it counts. Think about it: customer service experiences can’t be quantified by Wall Street. Therefore nobody measures them, they have no impact on stock prices, and you never, ever hear them mentioned by financial news pundits.
    If they keep this up, of course, the company will implode someday, no longer able to summon enough passengers with the need or the stomach to fly United. Executives, Wall Street, and the pundits will blame fuel prices, or union woes, or economic conditions, but no one will ever, ever say, “We failed because we were mean to our passengers and that made us suck at our jobs.”

  695. Mlapointe Avatar

    When my son was 12, we sent him from LA to Washington, DC on United to visit his grandparents. When I tried to buy unaccompanied minor service for him, I was told (erroneously) that at 12 he was too old. On the trip back, his flight was cancelled, and he was put onto two different flights, with a plane change in Chicago.
    At LAX, I asked United to check to see if he had made the connection, and they refused. Why? You guessed it — because I had failed to purchase unaccompanied minor service.
    Over the years, I’ve flown United only when there was no other option, and there’s always a problem: there was a pilot, during a beef with management, who stood outside the jetway of an already-delayed flight, looking at his watch, until he announced “Uh, oh, I’m over my limit”, delaying the flight for another two hours. When passengers complained, he said, “Good. I’m glad you’re unhappy. Tell management. It’s their fault.”
    In Texas, when all flights were grounded due to thunderstorms at 9 pm, passengers from our flight were shuttled from gate to gate for hours, never given accurate information, until we were finally herded into a deserted auxiliary area, devoid of water and chairs, with just two agents for hundreds of people. Passengers stacked suitcases for seating, and scrounged water and snacks, for a couple of elderly passengers who were suffering terribly, and begged the United ticket agents for help, or to at least take the seniors first. The agents refused on both counts. Most of us were there until almost dawn.
    And these are just the most egregious experiences I’ve had personally, not the petty indignities endured on every United flight I’ve been on over the past 10 years.
    As someone who remembers how United used to be — believe it or not, more than two decades ago, I wrote advertising for the airline — the change is disheartening, but after all these years, I think it’s permanent.
    In my observation, there are two common threads to the United experience. The first is an almost pathological rudeness on the part of almost every United employee you encounter. There is something so toxic about the work atmosphere that even people who may be perfectly nice outside of the job seem to relish the opportunity to be mean once they put on the uniform.
    The second is a system-wide, and deliberate, failure of communication. On United, it’s almost impossible to get timely, accurate information, if you get any at all. On my last United trip, I saw a man ask a polite question about a gate change, and heard the United gate agent snap, “Do I look like an information kiosk?” Gate agents and flight crews refuse to give information on flight delays even when it would be the quickest way to make passengers happy and prevent conflicts.
    And it’s everywhere: you can’t get consistent answers at any level of the company, from reservations to customer service to ticketing agents. There’s even contradictory information on different pages of United’s website.
    My guess is that working at United makes employee feel so powerless that they use rudeness and withholding of information to exert power on the only people who can’t do anything about it: passengers.
    They’ll continue to get away from this for a long time, because financially, none of it counts. Think about it: customer service experiences can’t be quantified by Wall Street. Therefore nobody measures them, they have no impact on stock prices, and you never, ever hear them mentioned by financial news pundits.
    If they keep this up, of course, the company will implode someday, no longer able to summon enough passengers with the need or the stomach to fly United. Executives, Wall Street, and the pundits will blame fuel prices, or union woes, or economic conditions, but no one will ever, ever say, “We failed because we were mean to our passengers and that made us suck at our jobs.”

  696. Mlapointe Avatar

    When my son was 12, we sent him from LA to Washington, DC on United to visit his grandparents. When I tried to buy unaccompanied minor service for him, I was told (erroneously) that at 12 he was too old. On the trip back, his flight was cancelled, and he was put onto two different flights, with a plane change in Chicago.
    At LAX, I asked United to check to see if he had made the connection, and they refused. Why? You guessed it — because I had failed to purchase unaccompanied minor service.
    Over the years, I’ve flown United only when there was no other option, and there’s always a problem: there was a pilot, during a beef with management, who stood outside the jetway of an already-delayed flight, looking at his watch, until he announced “Uh, oh, I’m over my limit”, delaying the flight for another two hours. When passengers complained, he said, “Good. I’m glad you’re unhappy. Tell management. It’s their fault.”
    In Texas, when all flights were grounded due to thunderstorms at 9 pm, passengers from our flight were shuttled from gate to gate for hours, never given accurate information, until we were finally herded into a deserted auxiliary area, devoid of water and chairs, with just two agents for hundreds of people. Passengers stacked suitcases for seating, and scrounged water and snacks, for a couple of elderly passengers who were suffering terribly, and begged the United ticket agents for help, or to at least take the seniors first. The agents refused on both counts. Most of us were there until almost dawn.
    And these are just the most egregious experiences I’ve had personally, not the petty indignities endured on every United flight I’ve been on over the past 10 years.
    As someone who remembers how United used to be — believe it or not, more than two decades ago, I wrote advertising for the airline — the change is disheartening, but after all these years, I think it’s permanent.
    In my observation, there are two common threads to the United experience. The first is an almost pathological rudeness on the part of almost every United employee you encounter. There is something so toxic about the work atmosphere that even people who may be perfectly nice outside of the job seem to relish the opportunity to be mean once they put on the uniform.
    The second is a system-wide, and deliberate, failure of communication. On United, it’s almost impossible to get timely, accurate information, if you get any at all. On my last United trip, I saw a man ask a polite question about a gate change, and heard the United gate agent snap, “Do I look like an information kiosk?” Gate agents and flight crews refuse to give information on flight delays even when it would be the quickest way to make passengers happy and prevent conflicts.
    And it’s everywhere: you can’t get consistent answers at any level of the company, from reservations to customer service to ticketing agents. There’s even contradictory information on different pages of United’s website.
    My guess is that working at United makes employee feel so powerless that they use rudeness and withholding of information to exert power on the only people who can’t do anything about it: passengers.
    They’ll continue to get away from this for a long time, because financially, none of it counts. Think about it: customer service experiences can’t be quantified by Wall Street. Therefore nobody measures them, they have no impact on stock prices, and you never, ever hear them mentioned by financial news pundits.
    If they keep this up, of course, the company will implode someday, no longer able to summon enough passengers with the need or the stomach to fly United. Executives, Wall Street, and the pundits will blame fuel prices, or union woes, or economic conditions, but no one will ever, ever say, “We failed because we were mean to our passengers and that made us suck at our jobs.”

  697. kabunushi Avatar

    All to legacy airlines in the US and everywhere else (JAL, European national carriers, etc) have been through bankruptcy. This is an incredibly difficult business where it’s possible to lose 10’s of millions of dollars a day if you are big like UA. Wages have been gutted and all the human resource has been cut to the bone.
    I don’t fly often any more, but I now see single gate agents where there used to be 2. Not to excuse the general customer service failure, but the fact is that the gate agents now are probably getting close to minimum wage and their tasks have probably been cut to measure – the company knows exactly how many people it needs as absolute minimum at the airport to get the tickets sold and get the planes loaded.
    As a result, the gate agents do not have time (nor probably motivation, but these are separate tho related issues) to straighten out failure of other parts of the service system, like failure of a kiddy service vendor to show up. There is obviously nobody available at the supervisor level to help these people, nobody they can call and hand this problem off to. The work environment does not give people ANY spare time to do anything but their assigned task. Hence in the breach, only some kind employee who will take his/her own time to actually walk across the airport can fill in the void where there is absolutely no slack in bare bones work coverage.
    People get up in arms about this ‘I will never fly united again’, ‘they will eventually go out of business with this kind of service’. I would point out that they did go out of business already and they are struggling just to survive and not lose money every day so worrying about gradual loss of customer loyalty is the least of their problems.
    This is not good, but I think this kind of distopian world is where we are headed. With so many out of work labor is getting cheaper. Any public labor force with union protection, with actually livable pension benefits, is being systematically bashed and torn down. Organizational cultures like United have been destroyed as all the workers are now pushed to the limit and had their wages crushed.
    Seriously, how can expect customer service cultures to survive ‘cutting costs down to the bone’? This seems to be a fundamental business and economic problem which can only get worse, especially as labor is so weak and getting weaker. Any employees who ever had ‘the right’ customer service ethic cost too much and got forced out and replaced by the current lot of harried and harassed (by management) low wage lot who are not paid enough nor trained to put customer care at high priority – it’s not in their performance plan and they do not have even a tiny bit of extra time to spare as far as I can tell. I would love to hear this a gate agents take on this story!
    From the PR response from UA on facebook, it’s clear they cannot even afford professional PR folks. It seems obvious that good customer service is an inevitable casualty of ‘race to the bottom’ corporate competition based on cost cutting.

  698. kabunushi Avatar

    All to legacy airlines in the US and everywhere else (JAL, European national carriers, etc) have been through bankruptcy. This is an incredibly difficult business where it’s possible to lose 10’s of millions of dollars a day if you are big like UA. Wages have been gutted and all the human resource has been cut to the bone.
    I don’t fly often any more, but I now see single gate agents where there used to be 2. Not to excuse the general customer service failure, but the fact is that the gate agents now are probably getting close to minimum wage and their tasks have probably been cut to measure – the company knows exactly how many people it needs as absolute minimum at the airport to get the tickets sold and get the planes loaded.
    As a result, the gate agents do not have time (nor probably motivation, but these are separate tho related issues) to straighten out failure of other parts of the service system, like failure of a kiddy service vendor to show up. There is obviously nobody available at the supervisor level to help these people, nobody they can call and hand this problem off to. The work environment does not give people ANY spare time to do anything but their assigned task. Hence in the breach, only some kind employee who will take his/her own time to actually walk across the airport can fill in the void where there is absolutely no slack in bare bones work coverage.
    People get up in arms about this ‘I will never fly united again’, ‘they will eventually go out of business with this kind of service’. I would point out that they did go out of business already and they are struggling just to survive and not lose money every day so worrying about gradual loss of customer loyalty is the least of their problems.
    This is not good, but I think this kind of distopian world is where we are headed. With so many out of work labor is getting cheaper. Any public labor force with union protection, with actually livable pension benefits, is being systematically bashed and torn down. Organizational cultures like United have been destroyed as all the workers are now pushed to the limit and had their wages crushed.
    Seriously, how can expect customer service cultures to survive ‘cutting costs down to the bone’? This seems to be a fundamental business and economic problem which can only get worse, especially as labor is so weak and getting weaker. Any employees who ever had ‘the right’ customer service ethic cost too much and got forced out and replaced by the current lot of harried and harassed (by management) low wage lot who are not paid enough nor trained to put customer care at high priority – it’s not in their performance plan and they do not have even a tiny bit of extra time to spare as far as I can tell. I would love to hear this a gate agents take on this story!
    From the PR response from UA on facebook, it’s clear they cannot even afford professional PR folks. It seems obvious that good customer service is an inevitable casualty of ‘race to the bottom’ corporate competition based on cost cutting.

  699. kabunushi Avatar

    All to legacy airlines in the US and everywhere else (JAL, European national carriers, etc) have been through bankruptcy. This is an incredibly difficult business where it’s possible to lose 10’s of millions of dollars a day if you are big like UA. Wages have been gutted and all the human resource has been cut to the bone.
    I don’t fly often any more, but I now see single gate agents where there used to be 2. Not to excuse the general customer service failure, but the fact is that the gate agents now are probably getting close to minimum wage and their tasks have probably been cut to measure – the company knows exactly how many people it needs as absolute minimum at the airport to get the tickets sold and get the planes loaded.
    As a result, the gate agents do not have time (nor probably motivation, but these are separate tho related issues) to straighten out failure of other parts of the service system, like failure of a kiddy service vendor to show up. There is obviously nobody available at the supervisor level to help these people, nobody they can call and hand this problem off to. The work environment does not give people ANY spare time to do anything but their assigned task. Hence in the breach, only some kind employee who will take his/her own time to actually walk across the airport can fill in the void where there is absolutely no slack in bare bones work coverage.
    People get up in arms about this ‘I will never fly united again’, ‘they will eventually go out of business with this kind of service’. I would point out that they did go out of business already and they are struggling just to survive and not lose money every day so worrying about gradual loss of customer loyalty is the least of their problems.
    This is not good, but I think this kind of distopian world is where we are headed. With so many out of work labor is getting cheaper. Any public labor force with union protection, with actually livable pension benefits, is being systematically bashed and torn down. Organizational cultures like United have been destroyed as all the workers are now pushed to the limit and had their wages crushed.
    Seriously, how can expect customer service cultures to survive ‘cutting costs down to the bone’? This seems to be a fundamental business and economic problem which can only get worse, especially as labor is so weak and getting weaker. Any employees who ever had ‘the right’ customer service ethic cost too much and got forced out and replaced by the current lot of harried and harassed (by management) low wage lot who are not paid enough nor trained to put customer care at high priority – it’s not in their performance plan and they do not have even a tiny bit of extra time to spare as far as I can tell. I would love to hear this a gate agents take on this story!
    From the PR response from UA on facebook, it’s clear they cannot even afford professional PR folks. It seems obvious that good customer service is an inevitable casualty of ‘race to the bottom’ corporate competition based on cost cutting.

  700. kabunushi Avatar

    All to legacy airlines in the US and everywhere else (JAL, European national carriers, etc) have been through bankruptcy. This is an incredibly difficult business where it’s possible to lose 10’s of millions of dollars a day if you are big like UA. Wages have been gutted and all the human resource has been cut to the bone.
    I don’t fly often any more, but I now see single gate agents where there used to be 2. Not to excuse the general customer service failure, but the fact is that the gate agents now are probably getting close to minimum wage and their tasks have probably been cut to measure – the company knows exactly how many people it needs as absolute minimum at the airport to get the tickets sold and get the planes loaded.
    As a result, the gate agents do not have time (nor probably motivation, but these are separate tho related issues) to straighten out failure of other parts of the service system, like failure of a kiddy service vendor to show up. There is obviously nobody available at the supervisor level to help these people, nobody they can call and hand this problem off to. The work environment does not give people ANY spare time to do anything but their assigned task. Hence in the breach, only some kind employee who will take his/her own time to actually walk across the airport can fill in the void where there is absolutely no slack in bare bones work coverage.
    People get up in arms about this ‘I will never fly united again’, ‘they will eventually go out of business with this kind of service’. I would point out that they did go out of business already and they are struggling just to survive and not lose money every day so worrying about gradual loss of customer loyalty is the least of their problems.
    This is not good, but I think this kind of distopian world is where we are headed. With so many out of work labor is getting cheaper. Any public labor force with union protection, with actually livable pension benefits, is being systematically bashed and torn down. Organizational cultures like United have been destroyed as all the workers are now pushed to the limit and had their wages crushed.
    Seriously, how can expect customer service cultures to survive ‘cutting costs down to the bone’? This seems to be a fundamental business and economic problem which can only get worse, especially as labor is so weak and getting weaker. Any employees who ever had ‘the right’ customer service ethic cost too much and got forced out and replaced by the current lot of harried and harassed (by management) low wage lot who are not paid enough nor trained to put customer care at high priority – it’s not in their performance plan and they do not have even a tiny bit of extra time to spare as far as I can tell. I would love to hear this a gate agents take on this story!
    From the PR response from UA on facebook, it’s clear they cannot even afford professional PR folks. It seems obvious that good customer service is an inevitable casualty of ‘race to the bottom’ corporate competition based on cost cutting.

  701. kabunushi Avatar

    All to legacy airlines in the US and everywhere else (JAL, European national carriers, etc) have been through bankruptcy. This is an incredibly difficult business where it’s possible to lose 10’s of millions of dollars a day if you are big like UA. Wages have been gutted and all the human resource has been cut to the bone.
    I don’t fly often any more, but I now see single gate agents where there used to be 2. Not to excuse the general customer service failure, but the fact is that the gate agents now are probably getting close to minimum wage and their tasks have probably been cut to measure – the company knows exactly how many people it needs as absolute minimum at the airport to get the tickets sold and get the planes loaded.
    As a result, the gate agents do not have time (nor probably motivation, but these are separate tho related issues) to straighten out failure of other parts of the service system, like failure of a kiddy service vendor to show up. There is obviously nobody available at the supervisor level to help these people, nobody they can call and hand this problem off to. The work environment does not give people ANY spare time to do anything but their assigned task. Hence in the breach, only some kind employee who will take his/her own time to actually walk across the airport can fill in the void where there is absolutely no slack in bare bones work coverage.
    People get up in arms about this ‘I will never fly united again’, ‘they will eventually go out of business with this kind of service’. I would point out that they did go out of business already and they are struggling just to survive and not lose money every day so worrying about gradual loss of customer loyalty is the least of their problems.
    This is not good, but I think this kind of distopian world is where we are headed. With so many out of work labor is getting cheaper. Any public labor force with union protection, with actually livable pension benefits, is being systematically bashed and torn down. Organizational cultures like United have been destroyed as all the workers are now pushed to the limit and had their wages crushed.
    Seriously, how can expect customer service cultures to survive ‘cutting costs down to the bone’? This seems to be a fundamental business and economic problem which can only get worse, especially as labor is so weak and getting weaker. Any employees who ever had ‘the right’ customer service ethic cost too much and got forced out and replaced by the current lot of harried and harassed (by management) low wage lot who are not paid enough nor trained to put customer care at high priority – it’s not in their performance plan and they do not have even a tiny bit of extra time to spare as far as I can tell. I would love to hear this a gate agents take on this story!
    From the PR response from UA on facebook, it’s clear they cannot even afford professional PR folks. It seems obvious that good customer service is an inevitable casualty of ‘race to the bottom’ corporate competition based on cost cutting.

  702. kabunushi Avatar

    All to legacy airlines in the US and everywhere else (JAL, European national carriers, etc) have been through bankruptcy. This is an incredibly difficult business where it’s possible to lose 10’s of millions of dollars a day if you are big like UA. Wages have been gutted and all the human resource has been cut to the bone.
    I don’t fly often any more, but I now see single gate agents where there used to be 2. Not to excuse the general customer service failure, but the fact is that the gate agents now are probably getting close to minimum wage and their tasks have probably been cut to measure – the company knows exactly how many people it needs as absolute minimum at the airport to get the tickets sold and get the planes loaded.
    As a result, the gate agents do not have time (nor probably motivation, but these are separate tho related issues) to straighten out failure of other parts of the service system, like failure of a kiddy service vendor to show up. There is obviously nobody available at the supervisor level to help these people, nobody they can call and hand this problem off to. The work environment does not give people ANY spare time to do anything but their assigned task. Hence in the breach, only some kind employee who will take his/her own time to actually walk across the airport can fill in the void where there is absolutely no slack in bare bones work coverage.
    People get up in arms about this ‘I will never fly united again’, ‘they will eventually go out of business with this kind of service’. I would point out that they did go out of business already and they are struggling just to survive and not lose money every day so worrying about gradual loss of customer loyalty is the least of their problems.
    This is not good, but I think this kind of distopian world is where we are headed. With so many out of work labor is getting cheaper. Any public labor force with union protection, with actually livable pension benefits, is being systematically bashed and torn down. Organizational cultures like United have been destroyed as all the workers are now pushed to the limit and had their wages crushed.
    Seriously, how can expect customer service cultures to survive ‘cutting costs down to the bone’? This seems to be a fundamental business and economic problem which can only get worse, especially as labor is so weak and getting weaker. Any employees who ever had ‘the right’ customer service ethic cost too much and got forced out and replaced by the current lot of harried and harassed (by management) low wage lot who are not paid enough nor trained to put customer care at high priority – it’s not in their performance plan and they do not have even a tiny bit of extra time to spare as far as I can tell. I would love to hear this a gate agents take on this story!
    From the PR response from UA on facebook, it’s clear they cannot even afford professional PR folks. It seems obvious that good customer service is an inevitable casualty of ‘race to the bottom’ corporate competition based on cost cutting.

  703. kabunushi Avatar

    All to legacy airlines in the US and everywhere else (JAL, European national carriers, etc) have been through bankruptcy. This is an incredibly difficult business where it’s possible to lose 10’s of millions of dollars a day if you are big like UA. Wages have been gutted and all the human resource has been cut to the bone.
    I don’t fly often any more, but I now see single gate agents where there used to be 2. Not to excuse the general customer service failure, but the fact is that the gate agents now are probably getting close to minimum wage and their tasks have probably been cut to measure – the company knows exactly how many people it needs as absolute minimum at the airport to get the tickets sold and get the planes loaded.
    As a result, the gate agents do not have time (nor probably motivation, but these are separate tho related issues) to straighten out failure of other parts of the service system, like failure of a kiddy service vendor to show up. There is obviously nobody available at the supervisor level to help these people, nobody they can call and hand this problem off to. The work environment does not give people ANY spare time to do anything but their assigned task. Hence in the breach, only some kind employee who will take his/her own time to actually walk across the airport can fill in the void where there is absolutely no slack in bare bones work coverage.
    People get up in arms about this ‘I will never fly united again’, ‘they will eventually go out of business with this kind of service’. I would point out that they did go out of business already and they are struggling just to survive and not lose money every day so worrying about gradual loss of customer loyalty is the least of their problems.
    This is not good, but I think this kind of distopian world is where we are headed. With so many out of work labor is getting cheaper. Any public labor force with union protection, with actually livable pension benefits, is being systematically bashed and torn down. Organizational cultures like United have been destroyed as all the workers are now pushed to the limit and had their wages crushed.
    Seriously, how can expect customer service cultures to survive ‘cutting costs down to the bone’? This seems to be a fundamental business and economic problem which can only get worse, especially as labor is so weak and getting weaker. Any employees who ever had ‘the right’ customer service ethic cost too much and got forced out and replaced by the current lot of harried and harassed (by management) low wage lot who are not paid enough nor trained to put customer care at high priority – it’s not in their performance plan and they do not have even a tiny bit of extra time to spare as far as I can tell. I would love to hear this a gate agents take on this story!
    From the PR response from UA on facebook, it’s clear they cannot even afford professional PR folks. It seems obvious that good customer service is an inevitable casualty of ‘race to the bottom’ corporate competition based on cost cutting.

  704. kabunushi Avatar

    All to legacy airlines in the US and everywhere else (JAL, European national carriers, etc) have been through bankruptcy. This is an incredibly difficult business where it’s possible to lose 10’s of millions of dollars a day if you are big like UA. Wages have been gutted and all the human resource has been cut to the bone.
    I don’t fly often any more, but I now see single gate agents where there used to be 2. Not to excuse the general customer service failure, but the fact is that the gate agents now are probably getting close to minimum wage and their tasks have probably been cut to measure – the company knows exactly how many people it needs as absolute minimum at the airport to get the tickets sold and get the planes loaded.
    As a result, the gate agents do not have time (nor probably motivation, but these are separate tho related issues) to straighten out failure of other parts of the service system, like failure of a kiddy service vendor to show up. There is obviously nobody available at the supervisor level to help these people, nobody they can call and hand this problem off to. The work environment does not give people ANY spare time to do anything but their assigned task. Hence in the breach, only some kind employee who will take his/her own time to actually walk across the airport can fill in the void where there is absolutely no slack in bare bones work coverage.
    People get up in arms about this ‘I will never fly united again’, ‘they will eventually go out of business with this kind of service’. I would point out that they did go out of business already and they are struggling just to survive and not lose money every day so worrying about gradual loss of customer loyalty is the least of their problems.
    This is not good, but I think this kind of distopian world is where we are headed. With so many out of work labor is getting cheaper. Any public labor force with union protection, with actually livable pension benefits, is being systematically bashed and torn down. Organizational cultures like United have been destroyed as all the workers are now pushed to the limit and had their wages crushed.
    Seriously, how can expect customer service cultures to survive ‘cutting costs down to the bone’? This seems to be a fundamental business and economic problem which can only get worse, especially as labor is so weak and getting weaker. Any employees who ever had ‘the right’ customer service ethic cost too much and got forced out and replaced by the current lot of harried and harassed (by management) low wage lot who are not paid enough nor trained to put customer care at high priority – it’s not in their performance plan and they do not have even a tiny bit of extra time to spare as far as I can tell. I would love to hear this a gate agents take on this story!
    From the PR response from UA on facebook, it’s clear they cannot even afford professional PR folks. It seems obvious that good customer service is an inevitable casualty of ‘race to the bottom’ corporate competition based on cost cutting.

  705. Dave Avatar

    I’m not surprised at this story. I just got off the phone with United for a less critical issue, but there was no help whatsoever and the agents were very nonchalant.
    I would advice your friends to look into legal proceedings against United. They should be able to sue for Negligence or Child abandonment or something of that nature.

  706. Dave Avatar

    I’m not surprised at this story. I just got off the phone with United for a less critical issue, but there was no help whatsoever and the agents were very nonchalant.
    I would advice your friends to look into legal proceedings against United. They should be able to sue for Negligence or Child abandonment or something of that nature.

  707. Dave Avatar

    I’m not surprised at this story. I just got off the phone with United for a less critical issue, but there was no help whatsoever and the agents were very nonchalant.
    I would advice your friends to look into legal proceedings against United. They should be able to sue for Negligence or Child abandonment or something of that nature.

  708. Dave Avatar

    I’m not surprised at this story. I just got off the phone with United for a less critical issue, but there was no help whatsoever and the agents were very nonchalant.
    I would advice your friends to look into legal proceedings against United. They should be able to sue for Negligence or Child abandonment or something of that nature.

  709. Dave Avatar

    I’m not surprised at this story. I just got off the phone with United for a less critical issue, but there was no help whatsoever and the agents were very nonchalant.
    I would advice your friends to look into legal proceedings against United. They should be able to sue for Negligence or Child abandonment or something of that nature.

  710. Dave Avatar

    I’m not surprised at this story. I just got off the phone with United for a less critical issue, but there was no help whatsoever and the agents were very nonchalant.
    I would advice your friends to look into legal proceedings against United. They should be able to sue for Negligence or Child abandonment or something of that nature.

  711. Dave Avatar

    I’m not surprised at this story. I just got off the phone with United for a less critical issue, but there was no help whatsoever and the agents were very nonchalant.
    I would advice your friends to look into legal proceedings against United. They should be able to sue for Negligence or Child abandonment or something of that nature.

  712. Dave Avatar

    I’m not surprised at this story. I just got off the phone with United for a less critical issue, but there was no help whatsoever and the agents were very nonchalant.
    I would advice your friends to look into legal proceedings against United. They should be able to sue for Negligence or Child abandonment or something of that nature.

  713. Neuroticsquirrl Avatar

    This is too humiliating to admit under my real name, but I had a similar experience with United in college a few years ago. I was a small girl in my early 20s or maybe 19. I was attempting to fly home, but the machines were not working properly. They would not let me check in. I attempted to get some help from an employee, but they just gestured to the phone. The phones were not working for me. The computers were not working for me. I still don’t know what happened to my ticket, but there was simply nothing I could do by myself. I asked for help again, but they just gestured to the phone. By that time, I was just attempting not to cry as I was ignored along with the other passengers. After a long time of me fruitlessly attempting to get the machines to work for me or get anyone on the phones, the couple behind me came to my aid, angrily demanding over and over again that they assist them and me. I’ll never forget the extreme indifference I witnessed that day. I’ve experienced many unpleasant flights since then, but United takes the cake.

  714. Neuroticsquirrl Avatar

    This is too humiliating to admit under my real name, but I had a similar experience with United in college a few years ago. I was a small girl in my early 20s or maybe 19. I was attempting to fly home, but the machines were not working properly. They would not let me check in. I attempted to get some help from an employee, but they just gestured to the phone. The phones were not working for me. The computers were not working for me. I still don’t know what happened to my ticket, but there was simply nothing I could do by myself. I asked for help again, but they just gestured to the phone. By that time, I was just attempting not to cry as I was ignored along with the other passengers. After a long time of me fruitlessly attempting to get the machines to work for me or get anyone on the phones, the couple behind me came to my aid, angrily demanding over and over again that they assist them and me. I’ll never forget the extreme indifference I witnessed that day. I’ve experienced many unpleasant flights since then, but United takes the cake.

  715. Neuroticsquirrl Avatar

    This is too humiliating to admit under my real name, but I had a similar experience with United in college a few years ago. I was a small girl in my early 20s or maybe 19. I was attempting to fly home, but the machines were not working properly. They would not let me check in. I attempted to get some help from an employee, but they just gestured to the phone. The phones were not working for me. The computers were not working for me. I still don’t know what happened to my ticket, but there was simply nothing I could do by myself. I asked for help again, but they just gestured to the phone. By that time, I was just attempting not to cry as I was ignored along with the other passengers. After a long time of me fruitlessly attempting to get the machines to work for me or get anyone on the phones, the couple behind me came to my aid, angrily demanding over and over again that they assist them and me. I’ll never forget the extreme indifference I witnessed that day. I’ve experienced many unpleasant flights since then, but United takes the cake.

  716. Neuroticsquirrl Avatar

    This is too humiliating to admit under my real name, but I had a similar experience with United in college a few years ago. I was a small girl in my early 20s or maybe 19. I was attempting to fly home, but the machines were not working properly. They would not let me check in. I attempted to get some help from an employee, but they just gestured to the phone. The phones were not working for me. The computers were not working for me. I still don’t know what happened to my ticket, but there was simply nothing I could do by myself. I asked for help again, but they just gestured to the phone. By that time, I was just attempting not to cry as I was ignored along with the other passengers. After a long time of me fruitlessly attempting to get the machines to work for me or get anyone on the phones, the couple behind me came to my aid, angrily demanding over and over again that they assist them and me. I’ll never forget the extreme indifference I witnessed that day. I’ve experienced many unpleasant flights since then, but United takes the cake.

  717. Neuroticsquirrl Avatar

    This is too humiliating to admit under my real name, but I had a similar experience with United in college a few years ago. I was a small girl in my early 20s or maybe 19. I was attempting to fly home, but the machines were not working properly. They would not let me check in. I attempted to get some help from an employee, but they just gestured to the phone. The phones were not working for me. The computers were not working for me. I still don’t know what happened to my ticket, but there was simply nothing I could do by myself. I asked for help again, but they just gestured to the phone. By that time, I was just attempting not to cry as I was ignored along with the other passengers. After a long time of me fruitlessly attempting to get the machines to work for me or get anyone on the phones, the couple behind me came to my aid, angrily demanding over and over again that they assist them and me. I’ll never forget the extreme indifference I witnessed that day. I’ve experienced many unpleasant flights since then, but United takes the cake.

  718. Neuroticsquirrl Avatar

    This is too humiliating to admit under my real name, but I had a similar experience with United in college a few years ago. I was a small girl in my early 20s or maybe 19. I was attempting to fly home, but the machines were not working properly. They would not let me check in. I attempted to get some help from an employee, but they just gestured to the phone. The phones were not working for me. The computers were not working for me. I still don’t know what happened to my ticket, but there was simply nothing I could do by myself. I asked for help again, but they just gestured to the phone. By that time, I was just attempting not to cry as I was ignored along with the other passengers. After a long time of me fruitlessly attempting to get the machines to work for me or get anyone on the phones, the couple behind me came to my aid, angrily demanding over and over again that they assist them and me. I’ll never forget the extreme indifference I witnessed that day. I’ve experienced many unpleasant flights since then, but United takes the cake.

  719. Neuroticsquirrl Avatar

    This is too humiliating to admit under my real name, but I had a similar experience with United in college a few years ago. I was a small girl in my early 20s or maybe 19. I was attempting to fly home, but the machines were not working properly. They would not let me check in. I attempted to get some help from an employee, but they just gestured to the phone. The phones were not working for me. The computers were not working for me. I still don’t know what happened to my ticket, but there was simply nothing I could do by myself. I asked for help again, but they just gestured to the phone. By that time, I was just attempting not to cry as I was ignored along with the other passengers. After a long time of me fruitlessly attempting to get the machines to work for me or get anyone on the phones, the couple behind me came to my aid, angrily demanding over and over again that they assist them and me. I’ll never forget the extreme indifference I witnessed that day. I’ve experienced many unpleasant flights since then, but United takes the cake.

  720. Neuroticsquirrl Avatar

    This is too humiliating to admit under my real name, but I had a similar experience with United in college a few years ago. I was a small girl in my early 20s or maybe 19. I was attempting to fly home, but the machines were not working properly. They would not let me check in. I attempted to get some help from an employee, but they just gestured to the phone. The phones were not working for me. The computers were not working for me. I still don’t know what happened to my ticket, but there was simply nothing I could do by myself. I asked for help again, but they just gestured to the phone. By that time, I was just attempting not to cry as I was ignored along with the other passengers. After a long time of me fruitlessly attempting to get the machines to work for me or get anyone on the phones, the couple behind me came to my aid, angrily demanding over and over again that they assist them and me. I’ll never forget the extreme indifference I witnessed that day. I’ve experienced many unpleasant flights since then, but United takes the cake.

  721. Corfasht Avatar

    Who sends their 10 year old on a flight alone? I know I wouldn’t!

  722. Corfasht Avatar

    Who sends their 10 year old on a flight alone? I know I wouldn’t!

  723. Corfasht Avatar

    Who sends their 10 year old on a flight alone? I know I wouldn’t!

  724. Corfasht Avatar

    Who sends their 10 year old on a flight alone? I know I wouldn’t!

  725. Corfasht Avatar

    Who sends their 10 year old on a flight alone? I know I wouldn’t!

  726. Corfasht Avatar

    Who sends their 10 year old on a flight alone? I know I wouldn’t!

  727. Corfasht Avatar

    Who sends their 10 year old on a flight alone? I know I wouldn’t!

  728. Corfasht Avatar

    Who sends their 10 year old on a flight alone? I know I wouldn’t!

  729. jik Avatar

    @Corfasht
    http://blog.kamens.us/2009/06/16/for-those-who-say-we-should-have-flown-with-our-daughter/
    (I know I already posted this link once, but TypePad makes it very difficult to read prior comments, and I doubt the commenter to which I am replying bothered to do so.)

  730. jik Avatar

    @Corfasht
    http://blog.kamens.us/2009/06/16/for-those-who-say-we-should-have-flown-with-our-daughter/
    (I know I already posted this link once, but TypePad makes it very difficult to read prior comments, and I doubt the commenter to which I am replying bothered to do so.)

  731. jik Avatar

    @Corfasht
    http://blog.kamens.us/2009/06/16/for-those-who-say-we-should-have-flown-with-our-daughter/
    (I know I already posted this link once, but TypePad makes it very difficult to read prior comments, and I doubt the commenter to which I am replying bothered to do so.)

  732. jik Avatar

    @Corfasht
    http://blog.kamens.us/2009/06/16/for-those-who-say-we-should-have-flown-with-our-daughter/
    (I know I already posted this link once, but TypePad makes it very difficult to read prior comments, and I doubt the commenter to which I am replying bothered to do so.)

  733. jik Avatar

    @Corfasht
    http://blog.kamens.us/2009/06/16/for-those-who-say-we-should-have-flown-with-our-daughter/
    (I know I already posted this link once, but TypePad makes it very difficult to read prior comments, and I doubt the commenter to which I am replying bothered to do so.)

  734. jik Avatar

    @Corfasht
    http://blog.kamens.us/2009/06/16/for-those-who-say-we-should-have-flown-with-our-daughter/
    (I know I already posted this link once, but TypePad makes it very difficult to read prior comments, and I doubt the commenter to which I am replying bothered to do so.)

  735. jik Avatar

    @Corfasht
    http://blog.kamens.us/2009/06/16/for-those-who-say-we-should-have-flown-with-our-daughter/
    (I know I already posted this link once, but TypePad makes it very difficult to read prior comments, and I doubt the commenter to which I am replying bothered to do so.)

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    @Corfasht
    http://blog.kamens.us/2009/06/16/for-those-who-say-we-should-have-flown-with-our-daughter/
    (I know I already posted this link once, but TypePad makes it very difficult to read prior comments, and I doubt the commenter to which I am replying bothered to do so.)

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