Carol Bartz at Yahoo!: Why Centralizing Power May Be Exactly What They Need

I have a soft spot in my heart for Yahoo! After all, it grew out of the Stanford School of Engineering (where I work) and founders Jerry Yang and David Filo have been quite generous to the school.  I have also always been treated nicely by people in the company, especially those in HR and Strategic Data Services.  But as I got to know the company, I kept seeing deeper and deeper evidence of two flaws that, I believe, help explain how they got into their current mess:

1. A lack of a clear strategy.  They would seem to say "yes" to any idea that seemed good, throw it into the mix on their increasingly confusing landing page, and often make remarkably little effort to fit the different "properties" together.   Indeed, I blogged a few months back about Steve Jobs' comment that great companies don't just kill bad ideas, they have to kill a lot of good ideas to because it is only possible to do a small number of good things well and otherwise you end-up with a kind of feature creep (this isn't just in products) where there is so much stuff that –even if it is all good — the human experience of dealing with it becomes confusing and unpleasant.  The one thing I didn't say in my post was that Jobs gave that talk to Yahoo! senior executives. They have made some progress if you look at the their landing page, but I still see lots of evidence of a lack of strategic focus and inability to stop doing good things that don't fit with their strategy — perhaps because they have had a weak strategy.

2. Dysfunctional internal competition.  For years before Yahoo! went into its current steep decline, I heard senior Yahoo ! executives complain about how difficult it was to create cooperation across different Yahoo! "properties" such as mail, search, jobs, auto, and so on.  As a result, there was often poor integration between the properties and lack of information that could have helped everyone.  There were two reasons for this, from what I can tell.  First, the properties had lots of power, and central management did not.  Second, the reward system and culture pitted properties against each other, so there was actually an incentive for property managers to treat each other as competitors.  I had a long cross country flight where I sat next to one property manager who spent much of the time complaining about how he was getting no help at all from several other property managers, even though working together would help them in the long run and the company.  He explained that it had to do with how rewards for were handed it and with the fact that Yahoo! — although it was getting better — had few strong "cross-property" groups for integrating the technologies and actions of people.  He also admitted that, if he just looked at his incentives (except for his stock options, which were underwater anyway), it wasn't really rational for him to help people in other properties.  This was exacerbated in some cases by acquisitions that Yahoo! made that were turned into properties and never quite integrated into the whole.

Although decentralization is sometimes treated by Americans as like motherhood and apple pie, and it  certainly is effective for spurring innovation and allowing effective responses to the quirks of local markets, any good organizational theorist will tell you that centralization is one of the known cures to the above two problems.  This is especially true when there is time pressure, so there is no time to do a massive cultural shift so that peer pressure and a common world view can replace authority to cure the above problems.

This all brings us to the press reports today that Yahoo!'s new CEO Carol Bartz — who is known for leading with a strong hand — is revamping the structure to make it far more centralized. Given Yahoo!'s historic problems, the lack of strategic focus, the lack of a strong internal core to weave together ideas and software from different properties (although they have made progress on the software), and especially, the dysfunctional internal competition, strong centralized management is probably the best answer right now. On the last point, as my mentor Bob Kahn taught me, intervention by a greater power is one of the most effective ways to get people, groups, or businesses to stop fighting and start cooperating.

 Let's see what happens, as Bartz has many challenges facing her, and even if this is exactly the right move, it may not be enough — but I hope so. I would also appreciate other perspectives on Yahoo! and Bartz, as I realize mine is limited to just a few of their problems.

P.S. The weird thing about centralization is that cures some problems, but creates others.  It makes it harder for people to innovate and makes them less responsive to "local" quirks of markets and specialized customers.  Often the only cure for the problems caused by centralization is to decentralize for awhile.  That is one reason why, if you look at the history of companies like HP, they swing back and forth between periods of centralization and decentralization — which looks like wishy-washy confusion to insiders and outsiders (and may be at times).  But it is also  pretty rational solution over the long haul, as the best way to cure the problems created by decentralized is to centralize, and vice-a-versa.

 If Bartz is successful, one prediction is that four or five years down the road, it will be time for decentralization at Yahoo!  I hope they last that long!

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10 responses to “Carol Bartz at Yahoo!: Why Centralizing Power May Be Exactly What They Need”

  1. John Jenkins Avatar
    John Jenkins

    Isn’t there an effective balance to be had between the two poles though? Centralization down to a point, but decentralized below that?
    My thought is in some armies that there is a great deal of centralization (chain of command, etc.), but when you get down to smaller operational units (companies, squads) the unit commander has and is rewarded for successfully taking the initiative (of course, they are also punished for doing so badly).

  2. John Jenkins Avatar
    John Jenkins

    Isn’t there an effective balance to be had between the two poles though? Centralization down to a point, but decentralized below that?
    My thought is in some armies that there is a great deal of centralization (chain of command, etc.), but when you get down to smaller operational units (companies, squads) the unit commander has and is rewarded for successfully taking the initiative (of course, they are also punished for doing so badly).

  3. Murthy Avatar
    Murthy

    Hi Professor Sutton,
    Great observation about the impact of organizational structure on success. I’d like to offer a counter-point, however, by proposing that degree of centralization/decentralization doesn’t actually directly drive great strategy or great execution.
    I think the key very much lies in the post-script of your note – that every organizational model optimizes for certain incentives and certain activities at the cost of some other orthogonal but equally important set of incentives and activities. If you org by product line, you lose functional and market focus; if you org by function, you lose product consistency and market focus; if you org by market, you lose functional focus and product consistency.
    The answer therefore lies perhaps not in the structure of your organization, but in the business process that ties the structure together to produce economic value. If everyone knows that 37 teams need to be involved, certain teams contribute, certain teams review, certain teams make decisions, and all of this leads to the generation of a buck of revenue, then it won’t really matter how you structure the 37 teams.
    But if no one really agrees on the business process – who does what and when, whose approval do they need and when, etc, then any organizational structure, central or not, will probably fail.
    Another observation on relying too heavily on org structure to drive success is that structures are often set up for the benefit of shareholders/customers at the total expense of the employees. An example of this was an organization I heard of where the creative staff was re-organized to report to the editorial/QA staff. The theory was that quality was what was important to the company, so the quality assurance team should manage the creatives. But what happened in practice was that the editors never gave the creatives any positive feedback…because they were trained not to! Over time, the creatives quit the company and eventually so did the QA/editors.
    Organizational structures have to serve the employees internally as much as they serve the stakeholders externally. Everyone needs a boss who is supporting and promoting them as skilled talent, and not just selling them out to the business at all costs.
    This is why, I believe, many effective organizations separate “program management” from “people management.” A great example is the evolution of the federal government. Many secretaries and agency directors today do not directly advise the President and control program budget. Program control and management is often given to non-operating directors and chiefs of staff who then direct the program activities of operating departments and agencies. The job of the secretary/agency director is then purely focused on maintaining world-class capability, hiring, retaining, and developing the right people, etc.
    So many reasons, I would argue that organizational structure does not directly drive success, though it clearly can impede it or make it less efficient. Organizational structure first and foremost should serve to acquire, retain, and develop talent capability. Adjunct structures and business processes can be created on the side that then align the talent capability with the needs of the organization. In the absence of these adjunct structures and processes, I think most organizations are doomed to having re-orgs every 6 months while chasing a never terminating goal of the perfect model.

  4. Murthy Avatar
    Murthy

    Hi Professor Sutton,
    Great observation about the impact of organizational structure on success. I’d like to offer a counter-point, however, by proposing that degree of centralization/decentralization doesn’t actually directly drive great strategy or great execution.
    I think the key very much lies in the post-script of your note – that every organizational model optimizes for certain incentives and certain activities at the cost of some other orthogonal but equally important set of incentives and activities. If you org by product line, you lose functional and market focus; if you org by function, you lose product consistency and market focus; if you org by market, you lose functional focus and product consistency.
    The answer therefore lies perhaps not in the structure of your organization, but in the business process that ties the structure together to produce economic value. If everyone knows that 37 teams need to be involved, certain teams contribute, certain teams review, certain teams make decisions, and all of this leads to the generation of a buck of revenue, then it won’t really matter how you structure the 37 teams.
    But if no one really agrees on the business process – who does what and when, whose approval do they need and when, etc, then any organizational structure, central or not, will probably fail.
    Another observation on relying too heavily on org structure to drive success is that structures are often set up for the benefit of shareholders/customers at the total expense of the employees. An example of this was an organization I heard of where the creative staff was re-organized to report to the editorial/QA staff. The theory was that quality was what was important to the company, so the quality assurance team should manage the creatives. But what happened in practice was that the editors never gave the creatives any positive feedback…because they were trained not to! Over time, the creatives quit the company and eventually so did the QA/editors.
    Organizational structures have to serve the employees internally as much as they serve the stakeholders externally. Everyone needs a boss who is supporting and promoting them as skilled talent, and not just selling them out to the business at all costs.
    This is why, I believe, many effective organizations separate “program management” from “people management.” A great example is the evolution of the federal government. Many secretaries and agency directors today do not directly advise the President and control program budget. Program control and management is often given to non-operating directors and chiefs of staff who then direct the program activities of operating departments and agencies. The job of the secretary/agency director is then purely focused on maintaining world-class capability, hiring, retaining, and developing the right people, etc.
    So many reasons, I would argue that organizational structure does not directly drive success, though it clearly can impede it or make it less efficient. Organizational structure first and foremost should serve to acquire, retain, and develop talent capability. Adjunct structures and business processes can be created on the side that then align the talent capability with the needs of the organization. In the absence of these adjunct structures and processes, I think most organizations are doomed to having re-orgs every 6 months while chasing a never terminating goal of the perfect model.

  5. Wally Bock Avatar

    You say “The weird thing about centralization is that cures some problems, but creates others. It makes it harder for people to innovate and makes them less responsive to “local” quirks of markets and specialized customers.”
    I’ve always thought that innovation and adaptability were easier in a decentralized environment, Bob. Could you expand on your point?

  6. Wally Bock Avatar

    You say “The weird thing about centralization is that cures some problems, but creates others. It makes it harder for people to innovate and makes them less responsive to “local” quirks of markets and specialized customers.”
    I’ve always thought that innovation and adaptability were easier in a decentralized environment, Bob. Could you expand on your point?

  7. Pete Warden Avatar

    Just as a postscript to this, I ran across a testimonial to Bartz from an employee she’d fired!
    http://kara.allthingsd.com/20090224/how-it-feels-to-be-fired-carol-bartz-style-amazing/

  8. Pete Warden Avatar

    Just as a postscript to this, I ran across a testimonial to Bartz from an employee she’d fired!
    http://kara.allthingsd.com/20090224/how-it-feels-to-be-fired-carol-bartz-style-amazing/

  9. Frederic Lucas-Conwell Avatar

    Executives of large companies including Yahoo are not just smart brains. They have behavior patterns that are relatively predictable, can however easily be masked by smartness, but prevents them from having adequate attitudes, taking critical decisions and developing managerial skills.
    How is it possible that with all the education and advices they received, Yahoo executives were lacking clear strategy and could not prevent damaging internal competition? You are right, more is to be addressed … not just in Yahoo, but also on how executives are educated, promoted, managed or searched.

  10. Frederic Lucas-Conwell Avatar

    Executives of large companies including Yahoo are not just smart brains. They have behavior patterns that are relatively predictable, can however easily be masked by smartness, but prevents them from having adequate attitudes, taking critical decisions and developing managerial skills.
    How is it possible that with all the education and advices they received, Yahoo executives were lacking clear strategy and could not prevent damaging internal competition? You are right, more is to be addressed … not just in Yahoo, but also on how executives are educated, promoted, managed or searched.

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